Monday, September 19th 2022
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Early Core i9-13900K Review Hints that it Holds up to the "20-40" Claim
An early review of a retail Intel Core i9-13900K "Raptor Lake" 8P+16E processor shows it holding up to the rumored "20-40" claim, the idea that the processor can be up to 20% faster in gaming, and up to 40% faster in productivity, compared to the current i9-12900K. Much of the gaming performance increase is attributed to the higher IPC of the new "Raptor Cove" P-cores, and the much higher boost clocks they run at (up to 5.80 GHz); whereas the multi-threaded performance boost comes from not just the faster P-cores, but a doubling in the E-core count to 16, and improved E-core cache structures, besides higher clock speeds that they run on. For tests that scale across P-cores and E-cores, the i9-13900K behaves like a 24-core/32-thread processor, which is what it is. Among the tests included are CSGO, AIDA64, 7-Zip, WinRAR, Cinebench R15, R20, and R23; and their average, in comparison to the i9-12900K.
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ECSM_Official (bilibili), VideoCardz
39 Comments on Early Core i9-13900K Review Hints that it Holds up to the "20-40" Claim
Edit: and, of course, at some point they really need to bring P core boost power under control. Regardless of overall chip efficiency, taking into account uncore power etc., there's something quite wrong when your core consumes 3-4x the peak power of your main competitor's core for a relatively slight performance advantage.
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Most of the heavily threaded workload do not require high frequency/high IPC.
They a great for silicon area but in the end, intel will have to get out of monolithic sooner or later. With the same yields, they cannot outproduce AMD if with the same amount of wafer. Smaller chips on AMD just means way less waste in case of defect. But in the enthusiast space, who run ADL using box power consumption? even less, when you think there are motherboard manufacturer that out of the box crank out the power consumption to the maximum.
In the end, most people don't run all core workload all day so it should not be a problem (same for Zen 4 and RPL).
Most of the performance increase is purely from the frequency bump and the longer turbo times. (5.2Ghz vs 5.8Ghz)
879 / 778 -> 13% increase
5.8 / 5.2 -> 11% increase
Don't just repeat intel's
propaganda leaksmarketing material but actually inform your audience.In multithreading the 2 top Zen4 models will be competitive with equivalent Raptor models but the 2 lower end Zen4 will not.
The problem is pricing, i said it in the past many times, Raptor Lake official 1K unit price will not exceed the following limits, so nowhere near the 20% increase that many AMD supporters are hopping:
13900K $649
13900KF $624
13700K $459
13700KF $434
13600K $319
13600KF $294
Makes no sense to me unless they are crazy fanboys and in that case what they hope doesn't mean $h!+. Why? They've been rocking very good chips for almost a year and ST will be probably 10% at most better so not even worth the upgrade unless you need the extra MT of the 13900K. I see the wink but just like your 1700 being a very good cpu when the 2700X launched all the ADL chips will still be very good.
Like we used to had "real" speeds which where pretty much locked. It's already pretty complicated such as Base clock (i.e 3.2Ghz) and a Boost clock "up to" $value
Very nice but the upper range of that boost clock wont be kept long if your cooling is'nt good enough. So on avg you buy a 3.2Ghz model and it usually sits above half of what it can do or is specified for.
GPU's do the same. Not all workloads are obviously the same. So as long as within current or temperature range you can push clocks harder.
If i had a engine of exactly 20HP and only had to power one wheel, it could go much faster, then when i would have to power 4 wheels including a differential distributing that power.
Something in that order really.
Keep in mind amd can also substantially increase cache size without making the cores bigger with the X3D varients.
Everyone here knows that you can expect a new CPU gen every year.
I bought a i7 12700K, May 2022, I have no regrets, my previous CPU was a i7 6700K....
I can still do a Raptor Lake upgrade later on if I want to.
Ryzen 5xxxx released in November 2020 and ADL in november 2021. People buying both right now shouldn't unless they need, but if they purchased it in 2021 and maybe even the first half of 2022, they got enough for their money.
That is always the trade off. Let say i am looking to upgrade for Zen4 X3D/Raptor Lake gen, well while I wait, I don't benefits from a faster platform. Same thing with Ada/RDNA3
For CPU, that would mean Q1 2023, so that is a bit later. if i was running a 2600K, well i could see the benefits of upgrading, but since i have a 5800x, that wouldn't be worthwhile. (let say even a 3600x or a 9700K.)
For GPU, well that depend on what performance level you aim since they are going to release the top end first.
Having your PC right now and playing on it for some time have some kind of value. I had a friend that were always waiting for the next thing before buying. he had a very crappy PC that couldn't barely run anything for years. Well, that depend, if people are willing to spend all that money for that, maybe? but in the end, CSGO is far from being the only game around.