Funny leak, they could be just trying to get people to buy 12th gen, would not be surprised with all the BS Amazon pulls these days.

AsRockFunny leak, they could be just trying to get people to buy 12th gen, would not be surprised with all the BS Amazon pulls these days.

From what I was told by someone in the industry, 12th gen CPUs will also see a price hike in Q3. The 13th gen CPUs will be 10-15% higher than the 12th gen, after that price hike. Not something I can write as news here though, since I can't provide a source, so take it for what you want. Just don't say I didn't warn you.

No surprise given the $ these days. That alone would account for the difference even if intel kept the $ price the same. We've seen it with Nvidia 4x series.

Market for second hand chips will boom. Same for phones and other tech. In Europe and elsewhere.

Way too expensive....these prices look ridiculous. If intel want to get some ryzen customers back they will have a hard time with these...

error1984Way too expensive....these prices look ridiculous. If intel want to get some ryzen customers back they will have a hard time with these...

they're between a rock and a hard place.
They can't really risk a price was with someone producing at lower cost, so they do the other thing.

AsRockFunny leak, they could be just trying to get people to buy 12th gen, would not be surprised with all the BS Amazon pulls these days.

Amazon generally has a policy that if you sell on Amazon, it has to be the cheapest price you sell.

I just did a random 3080+Amazon websearch and found an Asus TUF at £727. Amazon may be guilty of selling some terrible crap but when it comes to brand stuff, you can definitely find it at a reasonable price on Amazon. You just need to refine your search and expectation parameters.

Shitty deal when I just bought an i9 12900KS (= 13700K) for $480.

SO wait... cant tell if trolling about prices being ridiculous or serious? A 13600k at 375$ according to this leak.....is 225$ cheaper than the 5950x ...as of right now....and the 13600kf beats it in all aspects......and you dont have to buy another MB if you're already on Alder lake....like me, not to mention with my 12600k, i've hit 5.4ghz stable with a simple 280mm frozen II AIO...now some of that was lottery, but most achieve an easy 10-15% overclock, and this 13600k which costs 225$ less than AMDs BEST 1000$+ cpu when new and STILL 600$ now despite coming out in 2020....Beats it completely stock...using less power..Now throw liquid on it and overclock and you're besting 12900ks and 5950x's with room to breath.... and you're boo hoo'ing? How? Ofcourse they're guna price hike... or atleast LEAK that they are, so fools spend on Alder.... Which isnt a half bad Idea, Alder is more than enough to play any game on the market, 12600K + anyways....OR you could buy the 13700kf for STILL 70$ less than the 5950x and absolutely obliterate anything but the 7950x that amd has to currently offer or offer when the 7-series hits for literal hundreds less. If I was Intel I'd price hike a bit as well, they have the superior product... with the benefit of not changing socket...im certainly eyeing raptor lake as soon as it drops....Now GPUS.... then we can talk AMD, fuck nvidias insane 4xxx series.

Leaked pre-release prices are almost always BS. I've seen hundreds of them through the years and I have yet to see a "leaked" price that ended up being the actual price.

Every release from every there's an Australian, Chinese or Euro retailer that leaks some stuff 35%-100% higher than the actual price at release. Look at 670XE motherboard leaked prices before this article.

phanbueyLeaked pre-release prices are almost always BS. I've seen hundreds of them through the years and I have yet to see a "leaked" price that ended up being the actual price.

Every release from every there's an Australian, Chinese or Euro retailer that leaks some stuff 35%-100% higher than the actual price at release. Look at 670XE motherboard leaked prices before this article.

I can agree, but I bet the prices will b quite close to the ones we see here..

TheLostSwedeFrom what I was told by someone in the industry, 12th gen CPUs will also see a price hike in Q3. The 13th gen CPUs will be 10-15% higher than the 12th gen, after that price hike. Not something I can write as news here though, since I can't provide a source, so take it for what you want. Just don't say I didn't warn you.

I have no plans to upgrade, no need too so. but yeah every things going up now thanks to you know who.

phanbueyLeaked pre-release prices are almost always BS. I've seen hundreds of them through the years and I have yet to see a "leaked" price that ended up being the actual price.

Every release from every there's an Australian, Chinese or Euro retailer that leaks some stuff 35%-100% higher than the actual price at release. Look at 670XE motherboard leaked prices before this article.

Normally I'd agree, but as I wrote in the second comment here, I have been told that there will be fairly big price increases coming from Intel, as theyv'e already pre-warned their partners about this.

I hit the lotterySO wait... cant tell if trolling about prices being ridiculous or serious? A 13600k at 375$ according to this leak.....is 225$ cheaper than the 5950x ...as of right now....and the 13600kf beats it in all aspects......and you dont have to buy another MB if you're already on Alder lake....like me, not to mention with my 12600k, i've hit 5.4ghz stable with a simple 280mm frozen II AIO...now some of that was lottery, but most achieve an easy 10-15% overclock, and this 13600k which costs 225$ less than AMDs BEST 1000$+ cpu when new and STILL 600$ now despite coming out in 2020....Beats it completely stock...using less power..Now throw liquid on it and overclock and you're besting 12900ks and 5950x's with room to breath.... and you're boo hoo'ing? How? Ofcourse they're guna price hike... or atleast LEAK that they are, so fools spend on Alder.... Which isnt a half bad Idea, Alder is more than enough to play any game on the market, 12600K + anyways....OR you could buy the 13700kf for STILL 70$ less than the 5950x and absolutely obliterate anything but the 7950x that amd has to currently offer or offer when the 7-series hits for literal hundreds less. If I was Intel I'd price hike a bit as well, they have the superior product... with the benefit of not changing socket...im certainly eyeing raptor lake as soon as it drops....Now GPUS.... then we can talk AMD, fuck nvidias insane 4xxx series.

I'd stay on the 12600, unless you can afford the 13900, that is the model that offers the most improvement from what you have, if your board can handle it.

TheLostSwedeFrom what I was told by someone in the industry, 12th gen CPUs will also see a price hike in Q3. The 13th gen CPUs will be 10-15% higher than the 12th gen, after that price hike. Not something I can write as news here though, since I can't provide a source, so take it for what you want. Just don't say I didn't warn you.

That would mean that Zen4 is also going to be pricey or it will fail to deliver. Because otherwise Intel would just be sabotaging their own sales :(
I'm good either way, I'm on ADL, so not planning to upgrade.

bugThat would mean that Zen4 is also going to be pricey or it will fail to deliver. Because otherwise Intel would just be sabotaging their own sales :(
I'm good either way, I'm on ADL, so not planning to upgrade.

We'll just have to wait and see. Maybe Intel's 13th gen will crush AMD, even though it seems unlikely that they'll be that much ahead.

What really ticks me off is that Intel won't sell a CPU with 8 P cores and no E cores. I'm sure they don't do this as it would cannibalise sales of other models as it's the sweet spot. For the 12th gen, one can only go up to 6P0E.

TheLostSwedeWe'll just have to wait and see. Maybe Intel's 13th gen will crush AMD, even though it seems unlikely that they'll be that much ahead.

The AMD leaks look to be parity with 12700K. I think the Zen 4 to buy is the X3D variants.

815$ will be 1000$ in my country.
To much for my taste..

TheLostSwedeFrom what I was told by someone in the industry, 12th gen CPUs will also see a price hike in Q3. The 13th gen CPUs will be 10-15% higher than the 12th gen, after that price hike. Not something I can write as news here though, since I can't provide a source, so take it for what you want. Just don't say I didn't warn you.

why on earth rise the price of Alder lake products ? They are one year old now... :kookoo:

Think I'll skip this generation, don't see the point in upgrading at all.
I mean one could always get a Raptor lake of their fancy & match it to a Z690 board to cut costs, however my Rocket Lake rig is good enough for my gaming purposes at the moment. The only thing that could sway me is if a game comes that I really want & challenges my hardware setup on my 144hz/1440p monitor which is perfect enough for me anyway.
Imo, never upgrade unless one has a compelling reason too & at the moment & into the foreseeable future, there are no games that take my fancy as yet. It's horses for courses & my horse is still running well! :D

I have the same opinion as I saw the Ryzen 7000 'leak pricing'

Place holder only

VarioI'd stay on the 12600, unless you can afford the 13900, that is the model that offers the most improvement from what you have, if your board can handle it.

lol it can take all alder lake and raptor lake processors, and no 13600k ...really? I feel like ~350ish $ for last gen flagship perfomance is good, and thats before any OC.... I mean I guess the 12600k is currently as good or better than the previous flagship..... and I agree, a stable 5.4 all core - p core 12600k with a top video card will run any game, period....and I'm honestly going to sell this strong silicon xfx qick 6700xt..and nab something new, Im very familiar with MPT and such now, so I feel like I could make a 6800 xt rip.....And that would prolly be my BEST upgrade... even more so than 13900 most likely......BUT I LOVE NEW PROCESSSOOORRRSSSS reeeeeeeeeeee,.. lol.. a 6800xt and a overclocked 13600 would bench so much better multicore than the 12600...tbf.. I know in real games, it would mean fuck all.. but... I just love to bench and tweak...idk.....

Max(IT)why on earth rise the price of Alder lake products ? They are one year old now... :kookoo:

Because I feel the performance bump on the Raptor Lake lineup will not be good across the board. If Alder Lake remains cheap, its gonna cannibalize the sale of Raptor Lake chips. As an Alder Lake user now, I see little excitement for Raptor Lake. It will be faster, its got more e-cores, but it is unexciting. The increase in e-cores will boost multithreaded performance, but don't do anything meaningul when thread utilization is low.

In any case, even with a better Raptor Lake CPU, Intel's strategy to increase price will work against them given that competition offers very competitive products and price. Furthermore, recession is really not that far off, and with rampant inflation on core products/ services that we use in our day to day life, not many people will be willing to splurge on expensive computer upgrades in the coming quarter and year ahead at least.

Well we live in troubled time with recesion already happening or we are about to enter one and war in Ukraine.
So Intel,Nividia and AMD have to either keep prices high and hope enough people buy their products or lover prices lose some profit per product, but sell more products.
In my opinion we should only look at launch prices if we are planning to buy RPL as soon as it becomes buyable becouse usualy prices change after CPUs are on market for some time.
Best thing is to wait a few months if you can so prices adopt alittle to current market

watzupkenBecause I feel the performance bump on the Raptor Lake lineup will not be good across the board. If Alder Lake remains cheap, its gonna cannibalize the sale of Raptor Lake chips. As an Alder Lake user now, I see little excitement for Raptor Lake. It will be faster, its got more e-cores, but it is unexciting. The increase in e-cores will boost multithreaded performance, but don't do anything meaningul when thread utilization is low.

In any case, even with a better Raptor Lake CPU, Intel's strategy to increase price will work against them given that competition offers very competitive products and price. Furthermore, recession is really not that far off, and with rampant inflation on core products/ services that we use in our day to day life, not many people will be willing to splurge on expensive computer upgrades in the coming quarter and year ahead at least.

Right so like, recession is defined as such: "Two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth" as has been for a long time, irregardless of what current or former administrators are trying to change it to this year......This BTW has been met several times over in the USA...we are in a recession RIGHT NOW...........Moving on to your comment...SOOOOOO......you mean like... every cpu release since like...after northwood p4s single core... then? xD Im kidding, but....not really... Lets analyze the data.....The 12900k represented about 31-34% multi core increase over 11900k(and 10900k for the record) and 17-19% single core increase over 11900k(10900k)...which was and still is being praised by everyone, including me... as one of intels biggest bumps in real performance and a new socket ... in a LONG while...Now remember...11900k was like just slightly faster than 10900k and same for 10900k to 9900k with a bit larger of a gap, but not 11900k to alder lake #s by any means........(quoting cine/geek #s here)

Now lets get to some #s that are pretty much 100% confirmed by multiple sources, multiple articles and leakers...and can be googled...... out in the open(yes they vary, but not by much)....Raptor lake 13900k is pulling +15.5-20% single core in cine/geek and a +48%-52% multicore advantages in cine/geek... and some screens have appeared and leaked of 41% better result in 7zip bench......when compared to alder lake's 12900k ....so.. in the effort to keep this not full essay mode....We can make a small assumption and stay within reason and logic here one of two things happened for you to be on alder lake right now......Given the numbers known we now have.,... EITHER:

You were excited by alder lake enough to buy it and owned 11.9 or 10.9, and the excitement was deserved, a smaller arc...... Altho max turbo freq was down 100mhz from 11900k to 12900k....More Cores on Alder, more threads..Same 125w between the two...etc etc, But, you had to buy a brand new Motherboard and since you're a 12900k owner, it is a z series....expensive.... possible new ram, expensive...and of course the new processor(expensive)...to even get on Alder lake...But: Most likely.... you felt the JUICE was worth the squeeze and you paid out...a healthy amount to get to the juice.

OR:
You came from 3 or more generations back, which in that case...The differences gained between the early-mid i7s as the timeline moves on... and mid term i7/i9s are all less % wise than arguably Alder lake - > Raptor.....But you being a 12900k owner, im going to assume you had something recent... and like to keep up as much as you can.....going on that assumption, or this one....either or..

THUS:
You will have actually already paid more in hardware (motherboard/ram?/cpu12.900k) going from your last setup...(guessing but likely a 11900/10900k) or whatever.... to Alder lake and the 12900k than you ever could upgrading to raptor from Alder...(Knowing you are a z series board owner and you can just drop in the CPU)....No new Motherboard needed....SO in actuality you're sitting here calling raptor lake lineup not good lineup, a bump in the road, which is all good, you're entitled to that very opinion........But my question to you is how can you say that, when you've already paid MORE upgrading to Alder lake from previous gen... for less performance increase %-wise in the benches, than you would get if you just bought 1 item, the new cpu, which is supported on a board you already own.....( as far as we can tell )....I get you are using the board that you payed for previously and it should be split between the cost of both upgrades, but its a moot point. Because you STILL payed for the MB+Proc+poss ram JUST to get to Alder, AND for less performance increase from the previous 2 flagships to Alder.. than it would take to upgrade here soon to raptor lake 13900k, all while you would be gaining more performance than you just paid MORE to get less of...

Deducing to and knowing this, my response and my opinion to your 'weak line up' accusations and seemingly under researched opinion of the entire alder to raptor thing and their shared socket and raptor lake in general is as follows:

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cheers.