Wednesday, February 15th 2023

PSA: Corrosion Happening on ASUS ROG Z690 Formula VRM Block, Company Remains Silent

I've been using the ASUS ROG Z690 Formula motherboard in all my recent CPU water block reviews, and also detailed it here for a specific EK VRM bridge block article. While the board has reached end-of-life status at ASUS internally, the company's customers are only just starting to face problems. The board's unique selling point is that it comes with an optional CrossChill EK III hybrid VRM thermal solution, which is effectively a waterblock for your VRMs to keep them cool at all times. Based on ASUS's official advertisement of "nickel-plated" and EK's involvement, everybody assumed that the material used is nickel-plated copper, but it turns out it's something different, most probably nickel-plated aluminium.

This is not the first time that ASUS has failed the material mix in their watercooling products. The first generation ROG Formula motherboard VRM blocks used plated-aluminium that introduced corrosion when added to a watercooling loop that has copper/brass/steel components elsewhere. Mixing metals in a watercooling loop is a bad idea and will result in galvanic corrosion from the different electrochemical potential of the metals. This can result in the block etching off and flakes/chunks getting in the loop to create an increasingly worse reaction with the coolant used. This can lead to blocked channels and even pump failure due to the corroded materials jamming the impeller.
Multiple reports on watercooling communities have come out over the past couple of months about the VRM block in the ASUS Z690 Formula displaying clear signs of corrosion. Months went by without any official statement from either ASUS or EK and it took until ~10 days ago that a more popular such post finally got enough traction to make progress with the issue. Earlier today, EK sent out an email to those customers who purchased the VRM Bridge for the motherboard, to finally acknowledge the use of mixed metals in the VRM block. This revelation makes the block incompatible with any copper-based CPU block and even the very VRM bridge linking the two. EK has not yet mentioned how this could have slipped past the brand's attention until this point, given the company's logo is on the VRM block, but frankly ASUS merits more focus for not bothering to tell any of the undoubtedly thousands of customers who purchased the Z690 Formula motherboard, in addition to all the media partners who have been using it too. As it stands, EK suggests reaching out to your local ASUS support team for a working replacement, but so far it sure feels like this issue is being handled quietly to not get the word out as much as possible. If you are using this motherboard with the VRM waterblock, then my recommendation is to flush and clean the entire loop, replace the coolant, and remove the VRM block from your loop for the time being as the VRMs can still be air-cooled.

Here's the full contents of the EK email, provided to us by an affected TPU reader.
EK-Quantum Momentum² VRM Bridge ROG Incompatibility Announcement

Dear and valued EK Customer,

We regret to inform you that the ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z690 FORMULA motherboard is incompatible with our EK-Quantum Momentum² VRM Bridge ROG Maximus Z690 Formula solution, as well as other copper-based EK products.

We have developed the liquid distribution VRM Bridge solution to help our users get the full benefits from motherboards that feature CrossChill EK III hybrid VRM thermal solution by connecting any EK-Quantum Velocity² CPU water block directly to the VRM thermal water ports.

Unfortunately, EK and ASUS have discovered the issue of the VRM block corrosion. We are already working closely to address this issue and offer support to all affected customers.

ASUS is readying an adequate replacement hybrid VRM thermal solution for everyone affected by this issue. Feel free to reach out to your local ASUS support team for any additional information.

In the meantime, EK and ASUS are improving collaborative processes and development guardrails to ensure all future products exceed our customers' expectations.

We are genuinely sorry for any inconvenience this might be causing you.

We appreciate your understanding,
Team EK
Update Feb 15th 08:16 UTC:
TPU Forum member Trev shared the following photos of his watercooling setup after running just 10 weeks with the VRM block in the loop.
Sources: Report 1, Report 2, EK Email
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151 Comments on PSA: Corrosion Happening on ASUS ROG Z690 Formula VRM Block, Company Remains Silent

#126
Chrispy_
MusselsI run a full custom loop on my main PC, and it all went to shit from EK's faulty mystic fog coolant, outright damaging every last part of the loop
But hey they sent me new coolant, totally fixed that damage.

(Narrators voice: It did not fix the damage)
Ah yeah, I vaguely remember you posting about that absolute shitshow.
I take it you no longer buy anything with an EK logo on it?
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#127
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
Chrispy_Ah yeah, I vaguely remember you posting about that absolute shitshow.
I take it you no longer buy anything with an EK logo on it?
I haven't since then, Alphacool sent me a care package after their forum rep here saw some of the posts and let me keep the system up and running

It's amazing how coolant can last longer than a week before going to clag, vs the EK stuff that despite being different colours and types kept dying so insanely fast for no obvious reason
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#128
Chrispy_
MusselsI haven't since then, Alphacool sent me a care package after their forum rep here saw some of the posts and let me keep the system up and running

It's amazing how coolant can last longer than a week before going to clag, vs the EK stuff that despite being different colours and types kept dying so insanely fast for no obvious reason
Aye, I've been happy with my Alphacool stuff. It's not glamorous, but it's a workhorse that hasn't given me a peep of trouble.
Their website is pretty rubbish but the official AC reps on their forums were helpful, which is honestly far more important than a glossy website.
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#129
ThrashZone
Hi,
Color or fancy coolants have fall out pretty much why if you want color just add die drops or better get color tubing and use clear fluids ;)
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#130
Mister300
maxflyThat's flat out incompetence. Mixing metals is wcing 101. Yet these knuckleheads do it with their own blocks. Unfreakingbelievable.
Second that, I am a professional chemist and dissimilar metals are a no no.
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#131
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
why do companies still have trouble with the following concept
DON'T
EFFING
MIX

(dissimilar)
METALS
Seriously its not a hard concept its metalurgy 101 ... no scratch that its metalurgy 99....
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#132
tlips
Can you just run a small ground wire from the vrm block to ground to disperse the free electrons in the water loop...just a thought

Any water loop should have a zinc sink in it somewhere to soak up the free electrons
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#133
A Computer Guy
tlipsCan you just run a small ground wire from the vrm block to ground to disperse the free electrons in the water loop...just a thought

Any water loop should have a zinc sink in it somewhere to soak up the free electrons
If the rad is screwed to the case then isn't it grounded already because the PSU is also screwed to the case, but also through the motherboard via by the standoffs to the case?
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#134
tlips
This is why they ground plumbing in houses and run zinc sinks on boats
A Computer GuyIf the rad is screwed to the case then isn't it grounded already because the PSU is also screwed to the case, but also through the motherboard via by the standoffs to the case?
Should be a hard ground from your blocks to your case on clean non painted surfaces
tlipsThis is why they ground plumbing in houses and run zinc sinks on boats


Should be a hard ground from your blocks to your case on clean non painted surfaces
A zinc probe in the loop that is grounded as well
tlipsThis is why they ground plumbing in houses and run zinc sinks on boats


Should be a hard ground from your blocks to your case on clean non painted surfaces


A zinc probe in the loop that is grounded as well
The zinc would have to be replaced every few years like you replace the one in your hot water heater
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#135
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
tlipsCan you just run a small ground wire from the vrm block to ground to disperse the free electrons in the water loop...just a thought

Any water loop should have a zinc sink in it somewhere to soak up the free electrons
Interesting tip. That side of the science is something i haven't researched yet, would be interesting if a ground is why it passed their testing (but failed users)
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#136
Mister300
MusselsInteresting tip. That side of the science is something i haven't researched yet, would be interesting if a ground is why it passed their testing (but failed users)
Corrosion mechanism is complex here is my paper on Copper oxide corrosion,
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#137
Trev
I wanted to add that Asus support has been completely useless and even seem to be intentionally dragging out providing any sort of resolution to my messed up board. I truly think they're hoping I'll get frustrated and give up. The email chains just keep going in circles with long delays before they provide any response, then they end up asking the same questions. Currently they've ghosted me again. I've always provided the information and photo evidence they requested. It's going nowhere. 6 months of trying.

All I wanted was a replacement VRM block which addresses the issues, and if that's not possible then swap the board for something equivalent that isn't all disfigured from their ridiculous engineering choices.

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#138
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
TrevI wanted to add that Asus support has been completely useless and even seem to be intentionally dragging out providing any sort of resolution to my messed up board. I truly think they're hoping I'll get frustrated and give up. The email chains just keep going in circles with long delays before they provide any response, then they end up asking the same questions. Currently they've ghosted me again. I've always provided the information and photo evidence they requested. It's going nowhere. 6 months of trying.

All I wanted was a replacement VRM block which addresses the issues, and if that's not possible then swap the board for something equivalent that isn't all disfigured from their ridiculous engineering choices.

Cause they move you to a new customer service rep who starts from the start. Somehow you need to skip to a higher up person in the chain.
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#139
Trev
MusselsCause they move you to a new customer service rep who starts from the start. Somehow you need to skip to a higher up person in the chain.
I've been dealing with what I think is the same two guys. I requested escalation of the case a couple of times (which they claimed to do), but there's never any progress happening. I feel like they've won and I'm ready to give up, but I at least wanted my warning to exist for others looking to buy similar Asus products.
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#140
Ferrum Master
MusselsCause they move you to a new customer service rep who starts from the start. Somehow you need to skip to a higher up person in the chain.
They are like that everywhere... Being an arse and asking totally unrelated things first, then make some totally unconnected claims and so on... In reality they don't have a clue about what they are doing. ASUS has become a joke lately... Pretty much had the same attitude here in EU.
Trevand if that's not possible then swap the board for something equivalent that isn't all disfigured from their ridiculous engineering choices.
Do not do SWAP... it will be a refurbished unit... it usually means poorly refurbished... It has always been like that. Ask for money back, that's the true solution actually. Ask your local consumer rights and immediately tell them that you will sue them if the action is not taken withing your lawful rights. 6months already? You have the evidence, open the case. You have a broken product.
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#141
maxfly
Asus has been the worst of the worst for as long as tech support has existed unfortunately. 6m is far longer than most people would have lasted for sure. Take Ferrum Masters advice and hammer the cheap sobs.
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#142
bobbybluz
I've had two wars with Asus. The first was in 2005 with a new mobo I had to RMA because it literally died 31 days after I got it from Newegg. It took around one month to finally get the replacement and what they sent me was also defective plus looked like it'd been used as a weapon in a fight. Fortunately I'd taken pictures during the unboxing showing the board was physically damaged when the box was opened. After shipping it back at my own expense they initially declined to RMA it because a corner was broken off. I sent them .jpegs of the damage being there when I received it. Things only got worse from there.

The case was escalated after I threatened to sue them. They then sent a succession of damaged boards I refused to accept (my UPS driver let me open the packages and waited after I explained what was going on) and finally contacted the office of Consumer Protection in the state I live in and filed a claim. I also had an attorney friend write them a letter stating a lawsuit for fraud was going to be filed against them unless they fulfilled their legal warranty obligations. They finally caved and sent me a NIB board.

In 2011 I had to RMA another board and made sure to take plenty of closeup pictures before packaging it up. They denied the warranty claim again claiming the board arrived damaged. This time one of their pictures showed a serial number and it wasn't even the the same mobo I'd sent them. This was while I was at the radio station and the board was one of 50 we'd purchased. I let our legal department handle it and they got stonewalled too. Finally one of the company attorneys called the Asus USA headquarters and we were sent a new board with free overnight shipping. There was a letter enclosed apologizing profusely for "the misunderstanding". Yes, Asus products are great when they work but when they don't their RMA process is the worst in the business.
maxflyAsus has been the worst of the worst for as long as tech support has existed unfortunately. 6m is far longer than most people would have lasted for sure. Take Ferrum Masters advice and hammer the cheap sobs.
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#143
maxfly
I won't derail the thread with my mile long fiasco but we should create a "how to properly send hardware back to vendors" (specifically Asus) thread to protect those that haven't dealt with it yet. Ie; hd pics of socket, serial#, back of board, traces, etc...

Not that OP needs or needed anything like that. His was clearly jacked.
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#144
Ferrum Master
maxfly"how to properly send hardware back to vendors" (specifically Asus)
A great idea tbh...

Wo should do statistics under that thread. With historical remarks how the RMA service turned out. To gather data. GN yellow press material for sure... but for the sake of brighter future and open eyes to people, especially in their own HQ, that your brand Sucks and make people unhappy.
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#145
bogami
As far as I can see in the pictures, algae entered the cooling circuit, and they then multiplied and caused the degradation of the materials. This is not a manufacturer's fault, sory, If you didn't add the right additives to the water. It's nothing new for a beginner in building liquid cooling, and it's only happened to me for a long time on a GTX8800 aluminum block and copper thermaltek CPU cooler EQ6700 intel processor. Clean, assemble, check that there are no leaks and continue using. It will never work too poorly for cooling the VRM, just add the appropriate additives to the water or antifreeze! Good luck! Great base plate. I would have it myself, but I'm too poor.
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#146
maxfly
bogamiAs far as I can see in the pictures, algae entered the cooling circuit, and they then multiplied and caused the degradation of the materials. This is not a manufacturer's fault, sory, If you didn't add the right additives to the water. It's nothing new for a beginner in building liquid cooling, and it's only happened to me for a long time on a GTX8800 aluminum block and copper thermaltek CPU cooler EQ6700 intel processor. Clean, assemble, check that there are no leaks and continue using. It will never work too poorly for cooling the VRM, just add the appropriate additives to the water or antifreeze! Good luck! Great base plate. I would have it myself, but I'm too poor.
You know nothing of which you speak. Algae doesn't corrode metal. Period. End of story.
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#147
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
maxflyYou know nothing of which you speak. Algae doesn't corrode metal. Period. End of story.
You seem highly confident of that


Algae is alive. It lives, dies, and it excretes waste. Plenty of ways it can interact with metals and it's well documented that it corrodes steel, at the very least.
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#148
maxfly
Yep, I've had everything under the sun grow in my loops over the years and have never seen algae eat my blocks. Not once. At worst it turned my water green. But then again I've never used steel blocks...only stainless in my pumps.
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#149
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
maxflyYep, I've had everything under the sun grow in my loops over the years and have never seen algae eat my blocks. Not once. At worst it turned my water green. But then again I've never used steel blocks...only stainless in my pumps.
maxflyYou know nothing of which you speak. Algae doesn't corrode metal. Period. End of story.
These two messages do not say the same thing, yet you seem to think they do.
The tone is also incredibly wrong for these forums.
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#150
maxfly
MusselsThese two messages do not say the same thing, yet you seem to think they do.
The tone is also incredibly wrong for these forums.
If my previous response was harsh it was due to the fact that the users system in question shows no proof of having any growth in it other than the beat into the ground mixing of metals (aluminum/copper/bronze mix). There wasn't proof of algae growth whatsoever. Saying that there was, due to said user introducing it into his/her own loop because of lack of experience was not only a huge leap, it was offensive. When comparing such a short lived loop with the other equally short lived loops in the thread. The user would have had to actively seek out a swamp with which to cultivate said algae from.

My response to you was pointing out that in 25 years of wcing, I have never had, nor seen proof of algae corroding a block in a custom loop, ever. The steel part was a joke...

No deviation from my first response intended.
Sorry if there seems to have been any confusion.
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