bugThen you're probably aren't up to speed on how SSDs work. Node shrinks are actually detrimental to NAND cells (less charge per cell, more chance to err).
How much improvement have we witnessed since PCIe 4 drives were introduced? Zero. For SSDs, going faster = going hotter. The same thing to do, imho, would be to put a cap on sequential transfer speeds and concentrate on improving random access instead.

The controller is the heat source not the NAND, so yeah node shrinks will help.

ReadlightAnother American crime culture game with high system requirements. High system costs.

I think you're confused here man. This isn't a game at all...

OK, Gen5 drives are problematic... but, M2 format is also part of the problem.

I know that M2 is slim and fit for laptop. But, proper 2.5" would for sure be easier to cool down properly? Or I am mistaken?

There are plenty of good M.2 heatsinks with or without fans on websites like Amazon or Aliexpress.

bugThen you're probably aren't up to speed on how SSDs work. Node shrinks are actually detrimental to NAND cells (less charge per cell, more chance to err).
How much improvement have we witnessed since PCIe 4 drives were introduced? Zero. For SSDs, going faster = going hotter. The same thing to do, imho, would be to put a cap on sequential transfer speeds and concentrate on improving random access instead.

TBF, the biggest source of heat on these drives is not the NAND, it's the controller, and as speeds jack up every gen so does heat. Node improvements will help fix that particular issue.

Aleksandar_038OK, Gen5 drives are problematic... but, M2 format is also part of the problem.

I know that M2 is slim and fit for laptop. But, proper 2.5" would for sure be easier to cool down properly? Or I am mistaken?

2.5" would help, so long as the metal casing was used as a heatsink. But that would require some kind of NVMe cable.

I have only good thing to say on crucial ssd's. I have only had sata ssd from them. But I was an early adoptor.

We back to there crucial c300 64 gb ssd. That was my very first ssd and the first from. Since then I have had several from them and from Samsung as well. I have not had a single failed ssd ever.

But yes nvme ssd gets hot and the Samsung 980 pro i have is no different amd that's only a Gen 4 ssd. With out a cooler, thermal throttle is garantied.

The heat is caused by the high speed nvme ssd's are capable of. It put more stress on controller and nand chips than like a sata ssd. Thar will give more heat.

It must be like driving with handbrakes ON.

Aleksandar_038OK, Gen5 drives are problematic... but, M2 format is also part of the problem.

I know that M2 is slim and fit for laptop. But, proper 2.5" would for sure be easier to cool down properly? Or I am mistaken?

I have no comments on PCIe Gen5 for now but on m.2:
I've just installed my GIGABYTE GC-4XM2G4 AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor
It is basically a "simple" PCB for 4 SSD with a 1kg copper heatsink with a fairly silent 5cm fan (which has high/low/off modes)
I like it so far, even if I only can use 2 slots of the 4 because my mainboard can only give 8×/2×4 lanes for the first two 16× long PCIe slots (GIGABYTE X570S AERO G)
On the effectiveness: my Samsung 980 PRO 2TB used to operate around ~50°C idle in PCIe v4 mode, and got into the 60+°C (and throttle territories) when I started using it.
It had a big heatsink from the mainboard, but the RX 5700XT and now the RX 7900XT's cooler just covered most of it, so it got hot fast....
With this adapter card, it is in a comfy ~35°C range and after a full atto or Cristal-disk benchmark it hit only 44°C

robert3892There are plenty of good M.2 heatsinks with or without fans on websites like Amazon or Aliexpress.

I am aware that my GIGABYTE GC-4XM2G4 AORUS Gen4 AIC Adaptor is "only gen4"
But I am sure someone will start producing a similar card for PCIev5.0 motherboards, and these option will be more effective in cooling your SSDs

I just wish/hope AMD will start adding more lanes for mainstream processors 32~48 or even more PCIe lanes than the current 24 pre Zen4 and 28 with Zen4
Sadly me and the most of us cannot afford a Threadripper system...
Would be nice to have at least 2 full PCIe 16× card slots where I don't need to turn off other parts on the mobo

Wow, no one did not think that drives are not going to get hotter the faster they are ran, OMG who knew.

Aleksandar_038OK, Gen5 drives are problematic... but, M2 format is also part of the problem.

I know that M2 is slim and fit for laptop. But, proper 2.5" would for sure be easier to cool down properly? Or I am mistaken?

Yeah. My idea of a proper SSD setup is 4x 2.5" U.2 drives with power loss protection in a 5.25" frame with fans:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B9HK4QG/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_5?smid=A1GQQIQD0YQTUY&psc=1

But we can't have nice things.

bugIt could be if you're YouTube and need to read lots of videos fast. Full disclosure, I'm not YouTube :D

But yes, the bottleneck with SSDs isn't their sequential performance, it's the random reads. PCIe (any revision) will do little to help with that.

They switched to IOPS for random reads/writes in reviews, which means little to regular user. Sequential throughput looks nice with all the big numbers, then you reach random operations and there's nothing to be excited about. Except professionals, gamers or enthusiasts everyone else will do fine with a dramless SSD. Not the cheapes one, at the level of performance of WD Blue.
I wish they'd make MLC drives, which I could use as system drive and TLC would be for storage.

lemoncarbonateWhy is everything getting ridiculously hotter?

Next gen CPU and GPU are getting hotter, now SSD.
I thought next gen should also mean better power efficiency.

SSD's running at it's full intentional performance consumes power. This varies from 5 to 10w. That little 5 to 10w is enough to fry the chip / make it overheat / throttle it. Thats why heatsinks are needed. Most of the time boards do have integrated heatsinks, so it shoud'nt be an issue really.

A nromal HDD consumes power too and releases it in the form of heat. Drives could go up to 60 degrees in summers. Thats where it started to get dangerous when HDD's where too hot to touch. Was never any different.

Make things ridiculously small and they run hotter, surprised pikachu face.

I don't get why they decided to abandon SATA instead of improving it, and went for M.2 instead of pushing PCIe or even U.2 to their mobos. Instead of making use of the case they want everything on a single board.
All this gaming trend in computers is dumb asf, and since every major manufacturer is devoted to releasing these products there are no alternatives for a similar price.

TheDeeGeeAny Gen5 NVME will throttle without a heatsink.

Really and that somehow means they are good products and worthwhile? They are utterly irrelevant, becyuase they bring no tangible improvement to real world usage at all. Even PCI-E 4 hardly brings anything to the table over PCI-E 3 ssd's. So you think higher prices, higher heat, the need for a heat sink, muhc higher power draw and and improvement in random IO's is worth the extra coin. Well you are welcome to them.

Minus InfinityReally and that somehow means they are good products and worthwhile? They are utterly irrelevant, becyuase they bring no tangible improvement to real world usage at all. Even PCI-E 4 hardly brings anything to the table over PCI-E 3 ssd's. So you think higher prices, higher heat, the need for a heat sink, muhc higher power draw and and improvement in random IO's is worth the extra coin. Well you are welcome to them.

The PCI-E 5 gen is'nt really for consumers. It's mostly needed in the enterprise market.

And this is why the SATA SSD is still better

JismThe PCI-E 5 gen is'nt really for consumers. It's mostly needed in the enterprise market.

Yup network controllers as well

eidairaman1And this is why the SATA SSD is still better

Better in what way exactly?

NVME is directly linked to the PCI-E lane or bus. It offers far more bandwidth then S-ata could ever do. S-ata is still supported but no longer continued as in development.

Obviously your going to use a NVME SSD now and in the future and not back to S-ata which is limited to only 500MB a second in regards of read or write speeds.

Minus InfinityReally and that somehow means they are good products and worthwhile? They are utterly irrelevant, becyuase they bring no tangible improvement to real world usage at all. Even PCI-E 4 hardly brings anything to the table over PCI-E 3 ssd's. So you think higher prices, higher heat, the need for a heat sink, muhc higher power draw and and improvement in random IO's is worth the extra coin. Well you are welcome to them.

Where did i say they were worth it? That's right, nowhere.

86 C for pci-e 5 ssd, no thanks, best choice a pci-e gen 3.0 stay here.

They should have never released Phison E26 in M.2 design.

As I've found out in the Corsair review, I still think it violates the the design rules by being too hot, while consuming very high current pin, thus making it a hazard. There are no documents, that prove that the M.2 slot is already improved when used fanless and can withstand more than 0.5A of current per pin @~50C.

unwind-protectYeah. My idea of a proper SSD setup is 4x 2.5" U.2 drives with power loss protection in a 5.25" frame with fans:
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B9HK4QG/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_5?smid=A1GQQIQD0YQTUY&psc=1

But we can't have nice things.

Yeah, this looks very cool :)
Nevermind, we got MOAR RGB with glass and tiny M2 instead :)

in 2023 it's completely in to start delidding the controller of your SSD and direct-die cool it.

lemoncarbonateWhy is everything getting ridiculously hotter?

Next gen CPU and GPU are getting hotter, now SSD.
I thought next gen should also mean better power efficiency.

Competition.
Everything already coming overclocked out of the box.

Gameslove86 C for pci-e 5 ssd, no thanks, best choice a pci-e gen 3.0 stay here.

Most of the PCIe gen 4 devices are just fine with no active or even passive coolers.
The secret sauce is that You just need to locate them away from the GPU cooler.

In my current laptop, I have a pair of corsair mp600 8TB SSDs that run at Gen 4 speeds, I do video editing as side money for some online people. On each SSD, I installed a small thin cooper heatsink, the cooper heatsink will only slow down the throttle effect. These 2 SSDs wiill go into the low 70s temp.
I've had SSD throttling effects for years, even with Gen 3 SSDs with a pair of 970 plus 2tb. Those 2 wouldn't get so hot, maybe mid-high 60s.

The day that I find a laptop that can link the laptop heatsink to the SSD, is the day that I'll buy that model.

A&P211In my current laptop, I have a pair of corsair mp600 8TB SSDs that run at Gen 4 speeds, I do video editing as side money for some online people. On each SSD, I installed a small thin cooper heatsink, the cooper heatsink will only slow down the throttle effect. These 2 SSDs wiill go into the low 70s temp.
I've had SSD throttling effects for years, even with Gen 3 SSDs with a pair of 970 plus 2tb. Those 2 wouldn't get so hot, maybe mid-high 60s.

The day that I find a laptop that can link the laptop heatsink to the SSD, is the day that I'll buy that model.

Laptops are a different kind of animal, since there you never get those cool cases with airflow, but you also never get the same performance on the computing side either, so you are fine with the slower storage.

csendesmarkLaptops are a different kind of animal, since there you never get those cool cases with airflow, but you also never get the same performance on the computing side either, so you are fine with the slower storage.

I'm only having issues now because of 4K videos, they are much bigger than 720/1080. I started doing 4K videos last year. I never had throttling problems with a sata 2.5in drive in my last laptop.