Monday, June 26th 2023

More Pictures of NVIDIA's Cinder Block-sized RTX 4090 Ti Cooler Surface

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Back in January, we got our first look at the cinder block-like 4-slot cooling solution of NVIDIA's upcoming flagship graphics card (called either the RTX 4090 Ti, or the TITAN (Ada). "ExperteVallah" on Twitter scored additional pictures of the cooler. Its design sees the heat dissipation surface pushed to the entire thickness of the cooler, and ventilated the entire length.

The card's PCB isn't conventional—not perpendicular to the plane of the motherboard like any other add-in card—but is rather along the plane of the motherboard, with additional breakaway daughter cards interfacing with the sole 12VHPWR power connector, and the PCIe slot. This slender, ruler-shaped PCB spans the entire length of the card, without coming in the way of its heat dissipation surfaces. The length is used for the large AD102 ASIC that's probably maxed out (with all its 144 SM enabled), twelve GDDR6X (possibly faster 23 Gbps), and a mammoth VRM that nearly maxes out the 600 W continuous power delivery design limit of the 12VHPWR.
Sources: ExperteVallah (Twitter), Hassan Mujtaba (Twitter), VideoCardz

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145 Comments on More Pictures of NVIDIA's Cinder Block-sized RTX 4090 Ti Cooler Surface

#76
R-T-B
Outback BronzeF... me,

It's as big as my Johnson.
kthx buddy Kangaroo, we don't need that imagery.
the54thvoidYou need to see a therapist.
We all do after that post, pretty sure.
ir_cowCouldn't help myself :roll: :roll:
Careful. Last time I posted a monopoly card, I got reported.
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#77
Gmr_Chick
TechNerd97I pretty much keep the heat low during winter (although I am in Texas) because of my 7900xtx pulling almost 380w depending on the game. It can get pretty unbearable in the summer here with a card this hot.
Y'all are going through it right now in Texas, with that dangerous heatwave that's still (!) going strong. I remember when I lived in CA's central valley, the unbearable heat during the summer. Luckily we had AC, but my bedroom was right over the garage (we lived in a two story) and sometimes it would get so goddamn hot in my room at night while I was gaming - and this was with a 1660 Super, mind you - I'd have to give in and turn the AC on for a little while (we usually kept it off at night, don't ask me why lol).

Where I am now, the AC pretty much has to stay on 24/7 during the late spring through summer months due to the miserable humidity. Really hoping the 6800XT I just bought doesn't run crazy hot....
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#78
R-T-B
WirkoDon't offend people, they might start throwing 4090Ti's at you.
That'd be a shame if someone did that to me. I might... collect them.
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#79
ir_cow
R-T-BThat'd be a shame if someone did that to me. I might... collect them.
Depending on the weight and were it might hit my body, I might be okay with this.
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#80
Count von Schwalbe
ir_cowDepending on the weight
From the pictures, the rest of the sentence was redundant.
Gmr_Chickmiserable humidity
Hey, I know that one! 85+% humidity the past week here.

This thing might help as a source of sensible heat if you have AC.
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#81
Darmok N Jalad
forman313We need Mythbusters. I want to know what happens if you drop this from the top of the Empire state building.
Sorry, there’s a weight limit on the elevators.
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#82
AusWolf
Is "bigger is better" the new keyword at Nvidia? As a SFF enthusiast, I do not approve.

BTW, where have I seen these pictures before?
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#83
Chrispy_
XaledGigabyte gaming, mine doesn't get over 70 as well, but that because that giant heatsink spreads the heat everywhere
3DVCashI'm surprised more people don't talk about this. My main rig is in my bedroom and a 300W gpu is already pushing it. I can't imagine an i9/4090 combo...
I can afford more GPU than I can tolerate in heat so I'm currently undervolting and underclocking a 6800XT because I don't want more than about 200W being dumped by the GPU into the room I'm sat in. Compared to the 3070 and 6700XT it's wasteful on the wallet but kind on the the thermometer.

As much as I hate what Nvidia are doing to the GPU market, I'm sorely tempted by a 4070 just to get the same performance at lower power consumption; Based on what I'm seeing online, the 4070 runs pretty well at 150W.
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#84
harm9963
Xaledthere is no way that these cards produce the same amount of heat (1080ti + 4090)

do you fully use your GPU? I use it %100 load most of the time. My 3090 even at %100 wasnt producing as much heat and were silent as well
I had to change my case, took PCs radiator from front to top, put extra fans but nothing helped. it is just big, and even at 70 it can produce heat more than a smaller card that runs at 90-100 degree
My old 1080Ti max temp was 67 at 320 watts max power and OC +53 , same benchmark vs my 4090 max temp 65 and 450 watts stock , both a 100 percent load.
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#85
LabRat 891
Wait a second...

That cooler *is* the four slots! The coldplate is 'sideways' (coldplate faces mobo).
That means the PCB will have Right Angle PCIe, interesting.

Also, I don't think the PCB would receive any stress from the cooler at all, since the cooler is what's mounted to the chassis.
Not how I'd imagine one would tackle PCB flex and cracking, but it works.
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#86
AusWolf
harm9963My old 1080Ti max temp was 67 at 320 watts max power and OC +53 , same benchmark vs my 4090 max temp 65 and 450 watts stock , both a 100 percent load.
Is heat production, or GPU temperature the question? I'm confused. These are two entirely different things.

A 450 W card produces more heat than a 320 W one, even if its GPU temperature is lower due to the better heatsink/airflow.
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#87
mechtech
The first thing that came to mind when I seen it.

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#88
BorisDG
Xaledthere is no way that these cards produce the same amount of heat (1080ti + 4090)

do you fully use your GPU? I use it %100 load most of the time. My 3090 even at %100 wasnt producing as much heat and were silent as well
I had to change my case, took PCs radiator from front to top, put extra fans but nothing helped. it is just big, and even at 70 it can produce heat more than a smaller card that runs at 90-100 degree
Yeah. I'm playing exactly the same games. Overwatch 2, TLoU, Cyberpunk 2077, Dying Light 2... (room temp is ~22-23)
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#89
N/A
Great, we could have had a half height 600W monsters all along. just move 3 memory chips on top. squeeze more phases in the free space of the 8х21cm PCB. It took them long enough.

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#90
Unregistered
Ya this is ridiculous at a comical level at this point.

Honestly with these cards (even the previous gen 3090) requiring the power they do, and putting out the heat we are seeing, I would love to see companies try to market dedicated liquid cooling a bit more. I'd never even consider buying one of these with an air cooler on it.
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#91
AusWolf
Razrback16Ya this is ridiculous at a comical level at this point.

Honestly with these cards (even the previous gen 3090) requiring the power they do, and putting out the heat we are seeing, I would love to see companies try to market dedicated liquid cooling a bit more. I'd never even consider buying one of these with an air cooler on it.
I would never even consider buying one. Period. :ohwell:
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#92
sLowEnd
At this point I think AIO cooling would make more sense for this card.
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#93
N/A
4090 FE is very quiet and runs at low rpm. 450 is a very conservative number probably undervoltable to 250 .
But with 4090 Ti one 120mm fan is replaced by 2x9cm as a questionable tradeoff.
I'd rather have the 8cm PCB standing as usual, 6cm above it and to the right side serving as a pass through area and 2x140cm fans,
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#94
LabRat 891
sLowEndAt this point I think AIO cooling would make more sense for this card.
Less reliable/durable and easier for an End-User to break. Also, a completely on-card solution would be just as bulky and heavy.

I don't like the Apple-like layout and intricacies of the cooler, but I am 'on-board' for smaller PCBs and big coolers (that take the strain, not the PCB.)

In the future, I hope to see 'passive phase-change' coolers. No pump, no tubes; just a fully self-integrated and hermetically sealed, passive heatpump.
There's been quite a bit of work on this concept, but the tech is largely 'stuck' in development. (At least, on the consumer/prosumer side.)
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#95
AusWolf
LabRat 891Less reliable/durable and easier for an End-User to break. Also, a completely on-card solution would be just as bulky and heavy.

I don't like the Apple-like layout and intricacies of the cooler, but I am 'on-board' for smaller PCBs and big coolers (that take the strain, not the PCB.)

In the future, I hope to see 'passive phase-change' coolers. No pump, no tubes; just a fully self-integrated and hermetically sealed, passive heatpump.
There's been quite a bit of work on this concept, but the tech is largely 'stuck' in development. (At least, on the consumer/prosumer side.)
I don't think people looking for a card like this care about durability, as they'll probably swap for a 5090 next year.

What I'd like to see is cards that don't need a kilowatt power supply and don't take up every expansion slot in your system, but with that said, I don't need 4090 level performance, so I'm good.
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#96
LabRat 891
AusWolfand don't take up every expansion slot in your system,
As someone that just yesterday swapped cases and has every PCIe lane on my X570-plus(Wi-Fi) used (for 2x non-crossfire GPUs and 4x Gen4 NVMe),
I couldn't agree more.


These (current and planned) enormous cards are probably part of the reason so many current-gen boards glaringly lack x1, x4, x8 PCI-e slots:
The boards are expected to be used with 1x phatass GPU, and a couple M.2 drives.

Sorry board-partners, I actually *use* my expansion slots. :laugh:
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#98
Count von Schwalbe
LabRat 891Less reliable/durable and easier for an End-User to break. Also, a completely on-card solution would be just as bulky and heavy.
www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-matrix/3.html
bobbybluzHere's the power supply for it: Amazon.com : Westinghouse Outdoor Power Equipment 2200 Peak Watt Super Quiet & Lightweight Portable Inverter Generator, Gas Powered, Parallel Capable, Long Run Time : Tools & Home Improvement
Hate to tell you, that is only 1800W continuous. And the power generated is not of the greatest quality, so even less efficient. You would need one for each card.
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#99
LabRat 891
bobbybluzHere's the power supply for it: Amazon.com : Westinghouse Outdoor Power Equipment 2200 Peak Watt Super Quiet & Lightweight Portable Inverter Generator, Gas Powered, Parallel Capable, Long Run Time : Tools & Home Improvement
Stahp giving me ideas! :p

I know most people want practical, and even value energy efficiency, but...

A literal gas-powered GPU/PC would be the ultimate in ePeen/flex.
(Related: Did you know gas-powered pogo sticks, existed? Yes, it's just as dangerous as it sounds.)

Heck, why not attach a heatpump to it while you're at it? -have the genset provide both power and subzero cooling!


Edit: @Count von Schwalbe I'm aware that On-card AIO water cooling exists.
However, that 2070 has about half the expected power draw vs. the 4090ti.
If you double the size of the cooling solution, we're back to this multi-slot monstrousity.
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#100
JohH
Grotesque, really.
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