Thursday, September 7th 2023

Intel 14th Gen Raptor Lake Refresh Full Lineup Leaks Out

Six Intel 14th Gen Core Raptor Lake-S Refresh SKUs were prematurely listed by an e-tailer late last month, with the already leaked Core i9-14900K CPU model popping up again (a week later) via CPU-Z and Geekbench tests. This higher end K and KF product lineup is expected to launch at some point next month—according to the rumor mill. Team Blue could be preparing cheaper non-K models for an unveiling at CES 2024, but a leaker has decided to spoil the fun way in advance. YuuKi_AnS uploaded an allegedly extremely comprehensive list of 14th Gen SKUs, complete with full specifications to their X/Twitter handle. This grants an early glimpse of lowly Intel 300 and 300T models—both featuring a 2P+0E core configuration—these appear to be modern successors to (now retired) Pentium Gold and Celeron branded budget-friendly processor families.

It should be noted that the leaked slide (dated September 5) states that everything sitting within the table is a qualification sample (QS), therefore these chips are subject to change due to their pre-production nature. Parts of the table look a bit iffy—support for DDR5 memory varies across the range, while EEC memory support is also very inconsistent. Intel seems to be sticking with the usual set of three different die designs for desktop Raptor Lake Refresh CPUs—Tom's Hardware points out that: "the B0 die (8P-16E) powers SKUs from the Core i5-14600 and up, while the C0 (8P+8E) die targets models from Core i5-14400 to Core i5-14500T. On the contrary, the H0 (6P+0E) die, which is the lowest of the trio, will be inside the Intel 300 to Core i3-14100T chips."
Wccftech has kindly extracted and compiled the leaked info into an easier to read format. Price estimates are also included:
Projections have Raptor Lake Refresh coming in at a 15% premium over the preceding—13th Gen Core—product lineup.
Sources: Tom's Hardware, Wccftech, YuuKi_AnS Tweet
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78 Comments on Intel 14th Gen Raptor Lake Refresh Full Lineup Leaks Out

#51
folto_esempio529
bugWaiting for products with a vague release horizon... that's not how this game is played.
you have to give time to the developers to make the processors, they can't make them with magic, the real problem is the performance of the processors comparing to their previous generation versions and the cost, for 14th generation processors they have increased the cost a bit, 13th generation processors didn't cost that much compared to 12th generation processors.
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#52
bug
CrAsHnBuRnXpYou joined just to tell me that? Why would I wait a year if I dont have to? So what it loses DDR4 support? 14th gen still supports ddr5 and thats what I plan on going anyway.
I think he wanted to point out it's a new platform incoming. The problem is, save for the year a new platform launches and maybe the year after that, there's always a new platform incoming, if you wait for that, you'll never buy anything.
folto_esempio529you have to give time to the developers to make the processors, they can't make them with magic, the real problem is the performance of the processors comparing to their previous generation versions and the cost, for 14th generation processors they have increased the cost a bit, 13th generation processors didn't cost that much compared to 12th generation processors.
There's truth to that. Generally, a small improvement is ok as long as it's available for the same price. A small performance increase coupled with a small price increase isn't that appealing. Though the smart thing to do is to not buy on release and give it a few months for the prices to settle. For example, $380 for 14600k is way too much imho. It's almost double of where an x600 should be.
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#53
folto_esempio529
CrAsHnBuRnXpYou joined just to tell me that? Why would I wait a year if I dont have to? So what it loses DDR4 support? 14th gen still supports ddr5 and thats what I plan on going anyway.
15th generation processors will lose support for DDR4 RAM, they will have LGA 1851, their integrated video card will be stronger than 13th and 14th generation processors, you have waited many years, you have a 9th generation processor, I advise you to choose 15th generation processors, the 15th generation processors will also have support for the new motherboards and in addition to the higher frequency, they will be excellent for NVDIA RTX 5000 series video cards.
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#54
bug
folto_esempio52915th generation processors will lose support for DDR4 RAM, they will have LGA 1851, their integrated video card will be stronger than 13th and 14th generation processors, you have waited many years, you have a 9th generation processor, I advise you to choose 15th generation processors, the 15th generation processors will also have support for the new motherboards and in addition to the higher frequency, they will be excellent for NVDIA RTX 5000 series video cards.
At least have the courtesy to ask him what his priorities are, before telling him he must absolutely wait for something we don't know when it will be released, how it will perform or how much it will cost.
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#55
folto_esempio529
bugAt least have the courtesy to ask him what his priorities are, before telling him he must absolutely wait for something we don't know when it will be released, how it will perform or how much it will cost.
would he be right 90% of the time? what are you talking about? a guy who has an i9-9900k processor paired with an RTX 3080 Ti is an idiot. benchmarks (estimated) of the 15th generation processors were leaked a while ago, and their graphics performance was good along with their frequencies and overall performance, the generational leap of the motherboard socket (LGA 1700 --> LGA 1851) and the generational leap of the RTX 5000 series video cards that will serve the 15th generation processors
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#56
CrAsHnBuRnXp
folto_esempio529would he be right 90% of the time? what are you talking about? a guy who has an i9-9900k processor paired with an RTX 3080 Ti is an idiot. benchmarks (estimated) of the 15th generation processors were leaked a while ago, and their graphics performance was good along with their frequencies and overall performance, the generational leap of the motherboard socket (LGA 1700 --> LGA 1851) and the generational leap of the RTX 5000 series video cards that will serve the 15th generation processors
Oh im an idiot am I? Why is that? Nah who cares, screw you dude. Before I had the 3080TI, i had a 2080. I couldnt afford to upgrade the rest of the system. I shouldnt have to explain myself to you and my situation. Youre just an elitist asshole and you dont belong on these forums.

I dont give two shits about an iGPU. The only time i would use it is if my GPU went out and i needed to wait for a replacement and still needed to use my computer. Other than that, who cares what the graphics performance of the 15th gen CPU is?

Like bug said, if i were to wait another year/year and a half, why not just wait until 16th gen? Then 17th gen? Theres no point.

How dare you come into this forum as a new member and INSULT a senior member of the community. Go fuck yourself.
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#57
JustBenching
folto_esempio529a guy who has an i9-9900k processor paired with an RTX 3080 Ti is an idiot
Why? I had a 10900k with a 3090, the 3090 was a major bottleneck, lol, the heck are you smoking, give me some.

A guy the other day said you need 13900ks or a 7800x 3d for a 4090 and that my 12900k bottlenecks it. At 4k of all things. ROFL, people are crazy.
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#58
bug
folto_esempio529would he be right 90% of the time? what are you talking about? a guy who has an i9-9900k processor paired with an RTX 3080 Ti is an idiot. benchmarks (estimated) of the 15th generation processors were leaked a while ago, and their graphics performance was good along with their frequencies and overall performance, the generational leap of the motherboard socket (LGA 1700 --> LGA 1851) and the generational leap of the RTX 5000 series video cards that will serve the 15th generation processors
That's the kind of attitude that will make people follow your advice. You're only 4 posts in and really close to being reported.
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#59
Hxx
folto_esempio529would he be right 90% of the time? what are you talking about? a guy who has an i9-9900k processor paired with an RTX 3080 Ti is an idiot. benchmarks (estimated) of the 15th generation processors were leaked a while ago, and their graphics performance was good along with their frequencies and overall performance, the generational leap of the motherboard socket (LGA 1700 --> LGA 1851) and the generational leap of the RTX 5000 series video cards that will serve the 15th generation processors
so an idiot pairs a 9900k with a 3080ti but a smart guy trusts some leaked benchmarks ? :roll: the irony of your statement is amazing.
RTX 5000 will be a generational leap? thank you captain obvious we didnt know. can we buy them now at Walmart or do u think ebay will restock soon?
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#60
folto_esempio529
Hxxso an idiot pairs a 9900k with a 3080ti but a smart guy trusts some leaked benchmarks ? :roll: the irony of your statement is amazing.
RTX 5000 will be a generational leap? thank you captain obvious we didnt know. can we buy them now at Walmart or do u think ebay will restock soon?
it's not absolutely obvious, we have GDDR6 from the GTX 16 series, I'm not the only one saying this, many people are eager to find out more news regarding the RTX 5000 series, since they will have GDDR7 DRAM memories, being poor I prefer not to waste money on processors that don't they would give me a lot of satisfaction, so I will wait for the 15th or 16th generation processors, and in any case they should come out in 2025, I don't advise you to buy things on ebay, sometimes it could scam you, buy directly from the manufacturers (Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte , etc.) or Amazon.
fevgatosWhy? I had a 10900k with a 3090, the 3090 was a major bottleneck, lol, the heck are you smoking, give me some.

A guy the other day said you need 13900ks or a 7800x 3d for a 4090 and that my 12900k bottlenecks it. At 4k of all things. ROFL, people are crazy.
the guy was absolutely right, can I ask you a question, why did you switch from the i9-12900k to an i9-13900k if you say they go well together? it's obvious, the i9-12900k processor with an RTX 4090 has a big bottleneck, even in 4K. approximately 2% - 22% processor bottleneck.
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#61
RH92
CrAsHnBuRnXpIf I upgrade the GPU, I will have a CPU bottleneck.
Considering your plan is to upgrade now and keep your system 3-5yrs even if you go with the the most powerfull GPU for the time being , aka 4090 , you will be GPU limited at 4K , 14900K or else .



As showcased by CPU scaling there is no difference at 4K between a 13900K/7800X3D/13700K when driven by a 4090 . Hell you can even go down to i5 teritorry and see as little as 2-3% perf drop which you can't perceive. In the future you will be even more GPU limited within those 3-5yrs with more demanding games coming out etc .

Bottom line is CPU isn't your priority, GPU is and considering you are not going to wait for next gen GPUs , anything over a 7800X3D/13700K you are just throwing money out of the window for no reason other than throwing money out of the window . Don't get me wrong if that's your thing then all good but if you are doing so under the impression that you are ''futureproofing'' your system then it's an erroneous impression.

Wasted money will do you much better service when invested into future upgrades or something entirely else !
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#62
JustBenching
folto_esempio529the guy was absolutely right, can I ask you a question, why did you switch from the i9-12900k to an i9-13900k if you say they go well together? it's obvious, the i9-12900k processor with an RTX 4090 has a big bottleneck, even in 4K. approximately 2% - 22% processor bottleneck.
I got a 13900k, tested it for a few weeks, realized it gave me 0% performance increase, so I sold it and now im back with my 12900k.

22% bottleneck maybe at 480p or something. Not in any sane resolution
RH92Considering your plan is to upgrade now and keep your system 3-5yrs even if you go with the the most powerfull GPU for the time being , aka 4090 , you will be GPU limited at 4K , 14900K or else .



As showcased by CPU scaling there is no difference at 4K between a 13900K/7800X3D/13700K when driven by a 4090 . Hell you can even go down to i5 teritorry and see as little as 2-3% perf drop which you can't perceive. In the future you will be even more GPU limited within those 3-5yrs with more demanding games coming out etc .

Bottom line is CPU isn't your priority, GPU is and considering you are not going to wait for next gen GPUs , anything over a 7800X3D/13700K you are just throwing money out of the window for no reason other than throwing money out of the window . Don't get me wrong if that's your thing then all good but if you are doing so under the impression that you are ''futureproofing'' your system then it's an erroneous impression.

Wasted money will do you much better service when invested into future upgrades or something entirely else !
If we are talking about actual AAA games none of the CPUs on that list would make any difference at 4k. Not even 1%.
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#63
friocasa
CrAsHnBuRnXpOh im an idiot am I? Why is that? Nah who cares, screw you dude. Before I had the 3080TI, i had a 2080. I couldnt afford to upgrade the rest of the system. I shouldnt have to explain myself to you and my situation. Youre just an elitist asshole and you dont belong on these forums.

I dont give two shits about an iGPU. The only time i would use it is if my GPU went out and i needed to wait for a replacement and still needed to use my computer. Other than that, who cares what the graphics performance of the 15th gen CPU is?

Like bug said, if i were to wait another year/year and a half, why not just wait until 16th gen? Then 17th gen? Theres no point.

How dare you come into this forum as a new member and INSULT a senior member of the community. Go fuck yourself.
Many people can't buy those high end components, let alone upgrading them unless there's a very noticeable improvement

Will the new CPU be better? Yeah, but probably upgrading to a 4090 would be an even greater improvement at 4K, do both if that makes you happy and money ain't something you have to worry about
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#64
Hxx
folto_esempio529it's not absolutely obvious, we have GDDR6 from the GTX 16 series, I'm not the only one saying this, many people are eager to find out more news regarding the RTX 5000 series, since they will have GDDR7 DRAM memories, being poor I prefer not to waste money on processors that don't they would give me a lot of satisfaction, so I will wait for the 15th or 16th generation processors, and in any case they should come out in 2025, I don't advise you to buy things on ebay, sometimes it could scam you, buy directly from the manufacturers (Intel, AMD, NVIDIA, MSI, ASUS, Gigabyte , etc.) or Amazon.
sometimes waiting is not an option and thats the point there is always something better coming "soon". Doesnt make anyone an idiot if buying now vs waiting.
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#65
Macro Device
CrAsHnBuRnXpIm running a 3080Ti.
This is a 1440p GPU by today's standards. Yes, it can handle 4K more or less but not ideal anymore. Upgrading a GPU first is a go. Ryzen 7000 series will get a proper discount next year.

And if your only concern is gaming then 9900K@5 GHz is more than fine at 4K for a couple years more. ESPECIALLY if you don't need more than 60 FPS.
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#66
folto_esempio529
RH92Considering your plan is to upgrade now and keep your system 3-5yrs even if you go with the the most powerfull GPU for the time being , aka 4090 , you will be GPU limited at 4K , 14900K or else .



As showcased by CPU scaling there is no difference at 4K between a 13900K/7800X3D/13700K when driven by a 4090 . Hell you can even go down to i5 teritorry and see as little as 2-3% perf drop which you can't perceive. In the future you will be even more GPU limited within those 3-5yrs with more demanding games coming out etc .

Bottom line is CPU isn't your priority, GPU is and considering you are not going to wait for next gen GPUs , anything over a 7800X3D/13700K you are just throwing money out of the window for no reason other than throwing money out of the window . Don't get me wrong if that's your thing then all good but if you are doing so under the impression that you are ''futureproofing'' your system then it's an erroneous impression.

Wasted money will do you much better service when invested into future upgrades or something entirely else !
thank you for protect me
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#67
RH92
fevgatosIf we are talking about actual AAA games none of the CPUs on that list would make any difference at 4k. Not even 1%.
Pretty sure TPU benches AAA titles so there can be up to 5% difference between a 13900KS and a 12700K for example but yeah obviously some games it will be less . Realistically we are talking about 2-5 fps at most so it really doesn't matter much .
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#68
TheinsanegamerN
CrAsHnBuRnXpIf I upgrade the GPU, I will have a CPU bottleneck.

Im running an i9 9900K @ 5GHz, 16GB RAM, Asus STRIX 3080Ti.
Unless you are trying to push 144 fps, your CPU is fine.
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#69
Unregistered
CrAsHnBuRnXpIm really hoping i can get my hands on a new system soon and plop in a 14900K. Would be a huge upgrade over my 9900K.
who cares? what this brings to cpu lineup topic? you have to be motivated by some kind of brand loyalty to consider lga1700 at the end of socket life and when is confirmed that 14th gen is no improvement over 13th. you could have used the same performing setup for over year now or idk since when it's available.
#70
bug
M440who cares? what this brings to cpu lineup topic? you have to be motivated by some kind of brand loyalty to consider lga1700 at the end of socket life
What else would you get for a given platform but the latest CPU released for it?
M440and when is confirmed that 14th gen is no improvement over 13th. you could have used the same performing setup for over year now or idk since when it's available.
Confirmed? Are there reviews that I don't know about?
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#71
folto_esempio529
bugWhat else would you get for a given platform but the latest CPU released for it?

Confirmed? Are there reviews that I don't know about?
i5-14600k (14 cores / 20 threads) = i5-13600k + 2% (up to 5%) (14 cores / 20 threads)
i7-14700k (20 cores / 28 threads) = i7-13700k + 15% (up to 20%) (16 cores / 24 threads)
i9-14900k (24 cores / 32 threads) = i9-13900k + 8% (up to 10%) (24 cores / 32 threads)
(about)
it's not worth spending money on the 14th generation, I advise you to aim for the 15th generation, which will have to change the socket (the 12th, 13th and 14th generation processors use LGA 1700, while from the 15th generation processors we will use the mothers with LGA 1851 socket, for example z890) and not only that, the 15th generation processors will probably be the processors to be combined with NVIDIA RTX 5000 series video cards.
(edit: 14th generation processors are last socket LGA 1700)
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#72
CrAsHnBuRnXp
M440who cares? what this brings to cpu lineup topic? you have to be motivated by some kind of brand loyalty to consider lga1700 at the end of socket life and when is confirmed that 14th gen is no improvement over 13th. you could have used the same performing setup for over year now or idk since when it's available.
So youre another person that doesnt understand the fact that i can only afford to upgrade when I can and when I do, it's a complete system overhaul of whatever the latest line up currently is at that time. Im not going to wait an extra year if I do not have to to upgrade my computer.

Just because you have disposable income, doesnt mean the rest of us do. And if you do, how about you send some my way? I could really use the help. Otherwise, try considering what someone is going through and what they are able to afford instead of assuming we can all just wait another year.
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#73
JustBenching
CrAsHnBuRnXpSo youre another person that doesnt understand the fact that i can only afford to upgrade when I can and when I do, it's a complete system overhaul of whatever the latest line up currently is at that time. Im not going to wait an extra year if I do not have to to upgrade my computer.

Just because you have disposable income, doesnt mean the rest of us do. And if you do, how about you send some my way? I could really use the help. Otherwise, try considering what someone is going through and what they are able to afford instead of assuming we can all just wait another year.
I suggest you wait for 19th gen, it's going to use lga2051,50 and it will be much faster than 15th gen, confirmed at least 100% more st performance. Skip 15th gen.
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#74
Hxx
M440who cares? what this brings to cpu lineup topic? you have to be motivated by some kind of brand loyalty to consider lga1700 at the end of socket life and when is confirmed that 14th gen is no improvement over 13th. you could have used the same performing setup for over year now or idk since when it's available.
While I’m not a fan of adopting a socket at the end of its life I think the most compelling argument is value . You can grab a fairly premium lga 1700 barebones kit - cpu board ram for I dunno about $600-700 and I’m assuming it will go even lower when 14th gen comes out which will push down pricing on 13th gen and z590/790 boards.

holiday sales are coming soon and I can almost see microcenter in the US giving out free ram , boards with certain intel chips lol. Can’t really beat that I mean you can wait for 15th gen or fourth coming of zen or whatever you ain’t gonna get a premium setup for less than 1k
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#75
RandallFlagg
CrAsHnBuRnXpThat would mean another year of waiting. I dont want to do that if I can avoid it. My system is starting to show its age with certain titles at 4K.
Not sure what kind of games you play, but I'd say the CPU / motherboard upgrade would give you some nice performance boosts across the board. It would be especially apparent on turn-based games like Civ 6, GalCiv and so on.

Saying this as someone who came from a 10850K to a 12700KF. There are a lot of places outside of games that you'll see benefit as well, there's a big difference going from Skylake to AL and its derivatives. I don't know that a 14900K is necessary but up to you, a 14700K would be a solid option too IMO.

This guy went from 10700 to 13700K with a 3080Ti and posted his results. He re-used DDR4-3000. Pretty significant.

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