Tuesday, September 19th 2023

Pat Gelsinger Says 3D Stacked Cache Tech Coming to Intel

Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger, in the Q&A session of InnovatiON 2023 Day 1, confirmed that the company is developing 3D-stacked cache technology for its processors. The technology involves expanding the on-die last-level cache (L3 cache) of a processor with an additional SRAM die physically stacked on top, and bonded with the cache's high-bandwidth data fabric. The stacked cache operates at the same speed as the on-die cache, and so the combined cache size is visible to software as a single contiguous addressable block of cache memory.

AMD has used 3D-stacked cache to good effect on its processors. On client processors such as the Ryzen X3D series, the cache provides significant gaming performance uplifts as the larger L3 cache makes more of the game's rendering data immediately accessible to the CPU cores; while on server processors such as EPYC "Milan-X" and "Genoa-X," the added cache provides significant uplifts to memory intensive compute workloads. Intel's approach to 3D-stacked cache will be different at the hardware level compared to AMD's, Gelsinger stated in his response. AMD's tech has been collaboratively developed with TSMC, and hinges on a TSMC-made SoIC packaging tech that facilitates high-density die-to-die wiring between the CCD and cache chiplet. Intel uses its own fabs for processor dies, and will have to use its own IP.
"When you reference V-Cache, you're talking about a very specific technology that TSMC does with some of its customers as well. Obviously, we're doing that differently in our composition, right? And that particular type of technology isn't something that's part of Meteor Lake, but in our roadmap, you're seeing the idea of 3D silicon where we'll have cache on one die, and we'll have CPU compute on the stacked die on top of it, and obviously using EMIB that Foveros we'll be able to compose different capabilities," Gelsinger said.

"We feel very good that we have advanced capabilities for next-generation memory architectures, advantages for 3D stacking, for both little die, as well as for very big packages for AI and high-performance servers as well. So we have a full breadth of those technologies. We'll be using those for our products, as well as presenting it to the Foundry (IFS) customers as well," he added.

Intel recently provided an architecture deep-dive into its upcoming "Meteor Lake" client processor, in which its Foveros packaging tech and tile-to-tile interconnects allow the various tiles (chiplets) to work like a cohesive silicon. In particular, Intel appears to have solved the latency issues of having a the iGPU, CPU cores, and memory controllers on separate tiles.
Source: Tom's Hardware
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31 Comments on Pat Gelsinger Says 3D Stacked Cache Tech Coming to Intel

#26
Vayra86
ChaitanyaU.S. patent application number 17/129739 was filed with the patent office on 2021-12-02 for stacked dies for machine learning accelerator. This patent application is currently assigned to Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.. The applicant listed for this patent is Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.. So its clearly owned by AMD just manufacturing side being done by TSMC.
uspto.report/patent/app/20210374607

Also one of the person on that patent is my classmate and currently he seems to be employed by Intel.

There are older(now expired) patents from T.I. and Philips as well:
patents.google.com/patent/US6141235
patents.google.com/patent/US5953741A/en
Post 6 is factual, everything before it is just misinformed trash...

Nice.
Steevoen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Through-silicon_via

No, it was around long before. AMD did work with interposers that readied the stacked cache/memory for commercial manufacturing with TSMC. www.amd.com/en/technologies/hbm
That and in this industry moving forward generally does mean working together to create something new. Each company adds its speciality. TSMC is not in the business of making chips. They provide the tooling to make the chips.
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#27
PapaTaipei
Space LynxI didn't know this, cool, surprised its not going to be a part of Meteor Lake, the writing was on the wall Intel...



cause of money, this is why Apple and Nvidia are walled gardens so no one can use their inventions. As much as I love AMD, FSR3 Frame Gen is never going to match the dedicated tensor core DLSS 3.5 and DLSS4 frame gen in sheer quality, just no way no how. That's how you make bank.

TSMC is I hope making money off its 3dcache invention, if not, then they are a foolish company.
Fake frames enjoyer:D but I believe you are right.
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#28
Tomorrow
ZubasaYou make it sounds like everything AMD did was trivial.
If it is so simple then Intel would have achieve this long ago, not wait for a couple gen and let AMD "steal" their thunder.
Intel is making a big deal out of this, I would assume there are some major engineering hurdle that they overcame.
Yeah there is a subset of Intel fanboys perpetuating the myth that AMD could have not accomplished anything without TSMC.
I need to remind people then that Zen 1 and Zen+ were manufactured on GloFo's 12nm process and were still disruptive despite the node disadvantage.
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#29
PapaTaipei
Useless comment but I love the editor picking a pic of Pat with this hand gesture he reminds me of the "ancient aliens" meme.
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#30
ixi
Cool, intel wants to get back gaming crown :D
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