Nah, I'd bet a slice of pie that it's based on the full AD103 chip(5-10% faster than 4080) and will have an MSRP of U$1200, 4080 will drop U$100.

They should just drop the 4080 and replace it with this.

this should have been the 4080 from day one and cost 699€.

NVIDIA's not that quick to give VRAM capacity. I won't be surprised if the RTX 4080 retains its core, extend it to full use, remains at 16GB and bumps overall performance by maybe 5-6%

Huh....

I can't honestly say that I know of anyone that's wandering around complaining of the lack of GPUs that are priced at over $1k and would be excited to have another one added to the list.

As of right now, locally, the cheapest 4080 I can get is $1200 and the cheapest 4090 is $1650. Probably going to see the current 4080 drop to $1100, the 4080 Super come in at $1399 while the 4090 maintains its even more outlandish price.

I miss the pricing of the good old days, I'll just have to keep those fond memories alive and avoid paying for this crap.....980Ti was only $650, I'm just saying.

neatfeatguyHuh....

I can't honestly say that I know of anyone that's wandering around complaining of the lack of GPUs that are priced at over $1k and would be excited to have another one added to the list.

As of right now, locally, the cheapest 4080 I can get is $1200 and the cheapest 4090 is $1650. Probably going to see the current 4080 drop to $1100, the 4080 Super come in at $1399 while the 4090 maintains its even more outlandish price.

I miss the pricing of the good old days, I'll just have to keep those fond memories alive and avoid paying for this crap.....980Ti was only $650, I'm just saying.

unfortunatley as long as there are people who will pay the outlandish prices, it won't stop.

Yes but will it run new games at over 30fps? Because it seems that with newest ones, you can spend 1000$ on a GPU and it still does not guarantee max settings and 60fps.
As someone mentioned before the good old days when you spent 600-700$ on a top of the line GPU and you actually feel like you have top of the line hardware.

neatfeatguyHuh....

I can't honestly say that I know of anyone that's wandering around complaining of the lack of GPUs that are priced at over $1k and would be excited to have another one added to the list.

As of right now, locally, the cheapest 4080 I can get is $1200 and the cheapest 4090 is $1650. Probably going to see the current 4080 drop to $1100, the 4080 Super come in at $1399 while the 4090 maintains its even more outlandish price.

I miss the pricing of the good old days, I'll just have to keep those fond memories alive and avoid paying for this crap.....980Ti was only $650, I'm just saying.

I agree 100%, the first thing I thought was what is the point? We need more in the value segment, not more in the get bent over segment.

The only 'refresh' to keep an eye on is the 4070/ti super w/extra vram.

remekraYes but will it run new games at over 30fps? Because it seems that with newest ones, you can spend 1000$ on a GPU and it still does not guarantee max settings and 60fps.
As someone mentioned before the good old days when you spent 600-700$ on a top of the line GPU and you actually feel like you have top of the line hardware.

Yes before people were also able to get a top of the line car for cheap, they were called horses. Gotta live with your time gramps

For the asking price, they can cover it in gold and I'd still not be interested.

N3utroYes before people were also able to get a top of the line car for cheap, they were called horses. Gotta live with your time gramps

Says the user with a 3dfx logo as their avatar.

I agree with @neatfeatguy . The product range should be based around supply/demand density. We don't need a hundred bleeding edge products targetting the same handful of buyers.

There should be more products in the volume market, at low prices.
Medium number of products in the performance market, at medium prices.
And a few products at the super high end, at high prices.

Oh wait - this has nothing to do with rational supply/demand and production strategies. This has to do with the high marketing costs. And every time a new high end product is released, there's plentiful free advertising from websites just like this one who will benchmark it and promote it (awareness promotion). So I guess this behaviour is something we will just have to learn to live with.

The strategy is not to sell millions of these, but for people to be bombarded with brand-awareness-loyalty building marketing copy, that will make them favour team green when it comes to their low- or mid- level purchase.

I wonder how many years I will have to wait until decent RT comes to the EUR 300-400 price range.

Will they be cheaper? Me thinks if they aren't now, price cuts are finally coming?

lemonadesodaI wonder how many years I will have to wait until decent RT comes to the EUR 300-400 price range.

It depends on what "decent" means to you. Which res? Which refresh rate are you targeting?
My guess is next-gen will be at least halfway there and the gen after that may finally democratize RT. The only problem, next gen isn't coming for at least another year :(

mb194dcWill they be cheaper? Me thinks if they aren't now, price cuts are finally coming?

Most likely price hikes, don't be surprised if the 4090 surges in price

N3utroYes before people were also able to get a top of the line car for cheap, they were called horses. Gotta live with your time gramps

Sure, the perf jump that 40 series gives is literally like going from horse to a car. That analogy may be the most stupid thing I have read in like a week, so congrats I guess. Or maybe it was sarcasm so congratulations in both cases.

neatfeatguyHuh....

I can't honestly say that I know of anyone that's wandering around complaining of the lack of GPUs that are priced at over $1k and would be excited to have another one added to the list.

As of right now, locally, the cheapest 4080 I can get is $1200 and the cheapest 4090 is $1650. Probably going to see the current 4080 drop to $1100, the 4080 Super come in at $1399 while the 4090 maintains its even more outlandish price.

I miss the pricing of the good old days, I'll just have to keep those fond memories alive and avoid paying for this crap.....980Ti was only $650, I'm just saying.

It's the age-old fast-food style of marketing: keep showing them the triple burger, so they'll think buying a double burger is an exercise of restraint.

mb194dcWill they be cheaper? Me thinks if they aren't now, price cuts are finally coming?

Faster and cheaper ? Only if Huang hit his head or something, not a chance.

I'd say something like "how about you make better low-mid range cards", but that wouldn't be saying anything new, we've been saying this for a long while now.

Just now am I actually realizing how the majority of gpus releasing from nvidia are meant to be almighty powerful, and almighty expensive, and the ones that aren't expensive are garbage.

theoutoI'd say something like "how about you make better low-mid range cards", but that wouldn't be saying anything new, we've been saying this for a long while now.

Just now am I actually realizing how the majority of gpus releasing from nvidia are meant to be almighty powerful, and almighty expensive, and the ones that aren't expensive are garbage.

It's too late for this gen. The high-end is ok, but at absurd prices, while the 4060(Ti) is absolutely ridiculous, while retaining absurd pricing.
Imho, an acceptable mid-range card would be something almost as powerful as a 4070 at $300. Obviously not going to happen.

Making the 4080 with 102 die is a bit of a strange step, it would make more sense if it was full die AD103, with more RAM, and would fit in a better TDP envelope

What's the point when nearly all new games will have it running at 30 FPS?

PumpTheKinWhat's the point when nearly all new games will have it running at 30 FPS?

It's basically Ada's saving grace: if it can hit 60fps@QHD, you enable DLSS FG and you are into playable territory at 4k, with very minor IQ loses.
But again, pricing...

bugIt's basically Ada's saving grace: if it can hit 60fps@QHD, you enable DLSS FG and you are into playable territory at 4k, with very minor IQ loses.
But again, pricing...

They will need it for the likes of City Skylines 2 it will give them a jump to about 50 FPS, late game FG will give them around 40.

Forza Motorsport and it's drops to 40 FPS on1080P.