Will be interesting to see if the Super is no longer the most efficient GPU, as the 4080 currently is.

I predict the 4070 Ti Super with it's weird name aside, will be the most popular 40 series super model as it will bring 16GB and better performance with AD103 (instead of AD104) to a lower price (hopefully).

4080 Super is a dud tho. The only saving grace is if it price matches 7900 XTX at 1000 but still using AD103 for 4080 is missed opportunity to use a cut down AD102 with 20GB.
So NVIDIA ends up selling a 4K card at 1000+ with 16GB still.

As expected, just the maxed out AD103

disappointing, and it will be 10x as disappointing if it goes for even 1$ more MSRP, if anything this should drop to $999. ergh what a let down of a market.

wolfdisappointing, and it will be 10x as disappointing if it goes for even 1$ more MSRP, if anything this should drop to $999. ergh what a let down of a market.

I bet it will stay at $1199, or even $1249 if Jensen really wants some new leather jackets.

For this round of super cards. Mr. Leather jacket looks more like another cash Grab than actual improvements. At least for rtx 4080 super spec. 512 more cuda cores aint alone going to give any Worth mention performance lead. Off cause higher clocks will help as well as maybe higher memory clock. But higher clocks can only do so much and not more. But since it stil far away from rtx 4090 amount of cuda cores and still same memory bit bus. It ain't going to be any near rtx 4090 performance. My guess is around 5 % improvements over rtx 4080. All depending on actual gpu and memory clocks and off cause power target set for the card.

Based on rtx 4080 super spec, there is still room for a rtx 4080 ti as well. But so far no news about such a card. Not what i have seen so far at least.

With the rumors of rtx 4090 ti/super cancelled and the fact that rtx 4090 price has gone up again and if a rtx 4090 to actually comes out to a price like 2000 use+. I must say still even a year after. I am still glad i just went for rtx 4090 at release. As the super cards is not going to be close to as fast as 4090 and the fact that apparently 4090 ti is cancelled and rtx 5000 is still at least 1 year away from release.

Waiting for example for rtx 4080 ti. As i usually do wait for the 80 series card ti version to come before upgrade. looks to have been in vain this time if i had waited... So far.

It not to brag. But for once i am happy with the choice i made about gpu compared to other choices before. Either do to my own ignorance or unforseen out comes like the mining crase with rtx 3000 cards lagge to be in be Stock do meterial shortage and high demand for gpus do to mining and covid lockdowns.

Disappointed but not really surprised with 4080 super using ad103 they want ad102 for AI products. They probably want the 4070 ti super (stupid name) to be the most desirable option of the supers to keep there artificial segmentation alive thus maintaining the ridiculous pricing structure, wouldn't make sense to sell 4080 super with to much more power for less or same price as regular 4080 when punters are willing to buy as is.

Crackong$1249 if Jensen really wants some new leather jackets.

This myth really needs to die, he's more into fancy ovens now :pimp:

dgianstefaniWill be interesting to see if the Super is no longer the most efficient GPU, as the 4080 currently is.

Yeah totally interesting, look at all those care faces everywhere

Will it lose 0.2W/frame or not? hohohoho can't wait.

Anyway, I applaud your positivism in what is otherwise a completely pointless update.

Vayra86Yeah totally interesting, look at all those care faces everywhere

Will it lose 0.2W/frame or not? hohohoho can't wait.

Anyway, I applaud your positivism in what is otherwise a completely pointless update.

The fact is, if Nvidia is launching more GPU models, it's likely that a new generation will still be in the distant future, at least for regular consumers. I have no doubt that successors to the 4090 and server models will arrive sooner.

I consider the 70S the best Super variant, beside the price's of course. The 70TS however will attract buyers, but I believe that the pricing will once again be stupid af, at least in my opinion.

It sounds to me like the 4080S is just Nvidia charging people for the overclocking headroom that was already available in the 4080.

Those extra shaders aren't going to add very much without the wider bus to feed them, and the 4080 is already short on bandwidth and VRAM capacity for its price point and target resolution of 4K with RT.

• 4080 S - pointless with no purpose in the market other than drop new SKUs into the market exactly on the disappointing price/performance curve that already exists.
• 4070 Ti S - The only Super card worth looking at - because you get the extra 4GB of VRAM and wider bus.
• 4070 S - will depend on pricing, which Nvidia seem unwilling to really compete on, so there's little expectation that it'll bring anything new to the market. There's a LOT of untapped potential in the AD104 silicon and it was almost scandalous how much was disabled in Nvidia's only real GPU worth looking at this generation of duds, 4090 excepted but also unattainable for almost any gamer these days.

DragokarI consider the 70S the best Super variant, beside the price's of course. The 70TS however will attract buyers, but I believe that the pricing will once again be stupid af, at least in my opinion.

Regular 4070 is already a pretty atrocious value proposition, I don't see how this will attract more buyers. We'd be looking at what, 650-700$ for what used to be x60 level performance in the past ? Insane.

CrackongI bet it will stay at $1199, or even $1249 if Jensen really wants some new leather jackets.

Rumor has it that Jacket Man is looking into buying his own uber high-end leather jacket factory for some outrageous price, so yea, I would NOT expect lower prices in any way, shape or form for these "new" cards.....hahahaha :D /s

Vya DomusRegular 4070 is already a pretty atrocious value proposition, I don't see how this will attract more buyers. We'd be looking at what, 650-700$ for what used to be x60 level performance in the past ? Insane.

Well if priced “proper” of course, not going to happen, but we still can dream about it ;)

TomorrowI predict the 4070 Ti Super with it's weird name aside, will be the most popular 40 series super model as it will bring 16GB and better performance with AD103 (instead of AD104) to a lower price (hopefully).

4080 Super is a dud tho. The only saving grace is if it price matches 7900 XTX at 1000 but still using AD103 for 4080 is missed opportunity to use a cut down AD102 with 20GB.
So NVIDIA ends up selling a 4K card at 1000+ with 16GB still.

Are the memory clocks confirmed on the Super cards yet?
For most gaming scenarios memory bandwidth are a constraint long before capacity.
With the right memory speed these Super cards could offer a nice performance uplift.

Speaking of "duds", the RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB which so many "demanded", turned out to be totally pointless for gaming. Unfortunately, people are far too fixated on memory capacity rather than real world performance.

bonehead123Rumor has it that Jacket Man is looking into buying his own uber high-end leather jacket factory for some outrageous price, so yea, I would NOT expect lower prices in any way, shape or form for these "new" cards.....hahahaha :D /s

Perhaps finally he can afford a decent shirt? :P

Historically, mid-generation refreshes have turned out to be the greatest value offerings, in terms of performance per dollar, even compared to the following generation. In addition you often get proven cooler designs and board designs, and often more well "balanced" performers with better matched memory speeds. So generally speaking, we should expect this to be a good time buying cards, even though new generations are always more over-hyped.

I'm more concerned about Nvidia diverting their attention to the "AI" nonsense though.

Vya DomusRegular 4070 is already a pretty atrocious value proposition, I don't see how this will attract more buyers. We'd be looking at what, 650-700$ for what used to be x60 level performance in the past ? Insane.

What???!!

4070 is much faster than 3060 or 2060 !!!
u should say "Used to be x80 performance"

4070 is faster than 3080 and cost less.. also 2080Ti cost lot more and 4070 is still lot faster.

So stop trolling thx.

DaworaWhat???!!

4070 is much faster than 3060 or 2060 !!!
u should say "Used to be x80 performance"

4070 is faster than 3080 and cost less.. also 2080Ti cost lot more and 4070 is still lot faster.

I wasn't comparing a 4070 to a 3060 lol.

The point is x60 GPUs used to be as fast as previous x80 class GPUs, now the 4070 fits that profile. The performance uplift from the 4070 is anemic compared to previous generations.

DaworaSo stop trolling

Not trolling, just use your head thx.

You guys just have two different perspectives.

Vya Domus, you're too fixated on naming, as the product segmentation has changed a lot over the years.
If you go all the way back to like the GeForce 400 series, the 60-card was a tremendous value, the 80-card cost 150% more and only offered 50% more performance. The 70-card was closer to the 80-card in performance, but midway in pricing.

This distribution has changed over the years, and in the past two generations we've basically had "two more tiers" above that, at least if we think in terms of relative performance vs. a baseline. RTX 4090 offers about 200% more performance than RTX 4060, so proportionally the current 60-card is actually a lower mid-range (possibly upper low-end), and as I've argued in previous discussions, should have been called 4040 to make the naming fit the segmentation (so skew the lineup and rename the Ti-models).

There is also the cost aspect, and if we consider the horrendous inflation many countries have experienced in the past three years (~20% in some European countries and ~40% in the US, real inflation), I'm actually glad hardware hasn't risen more in pricing.

In terms of what it offers, RTX 4070 is arguably the best positioned card in the current lineup, and if I were building today, it would be one of my primary contender for a decent gaming rig. :)

DaworaWhat???!!

4070 is much faster than 3060 or 2060 !!!
u should say "Used to be x80 performance"

4070 is faster than 3080 and cost less.. also 2080Ti cost lot more and 4070 is still lot faster.

So stop trolling thx.

He was saying that in the past the performance of the 4070 was given by the x60. When was the 2060 running?
The 3060 is somewhere in between because they put more VRAM in it, so they had to (so to speak) skimp on the rest.

Net of the fact that a clean comparison with the price cannot be made much, given the unfortunate context in which it rose...

CrackongAs expected, just the maxed out AD103

No surprises here for sure. This is typical Nvidia when they are doing well and not feeling any heat from competition. The last time they were "very generous" with their Ampere lineup was due to the surprise from AMD's RDNA2. As a knee jerk reaction, they just carve out a RTX 3080 10GB from their top end chip.

TomorrowI predict the 4070 Ti Super with it's weird name aside, will be the most popular 40 series super model as it will bring 16GB and better performance with AD103 (instead of AD104) to a lower price (hopefully).

4080 Super is a dud tho. The only saving grace is if it price matches 7900 XTX at 1000 but still using AD103 for 4080 is missed opportunity to use a cut down AD102 with 20GB.
So NVIDIA ends up selling a 4K card at 1000+ with 16GB still.

More cut down AD102 than the 4090 is? The 4090's die is already of a low quality harvest with a very significant amount of resources disabled. If you make a 4080 Super out of an even further cutdown AD102, you're likely going to start having issues with efficiency, performance and possibly even stability with such utterly crap quality dies. (bit of a late edit: see the 4090D)
A fully enabled AD103 is likely a much better choice, although, as you may guess, you probably won't get 10% of performance over the vanilla 4080 with this configuration.

watzupkenNo surprises here for sure. This is typical Nvidia when they are doing well and not feeling any heat from competition. The last time they were "very generous" with their Ampere lineup was due to the surprise from AMD's RDNA2. As a knee jerk reaction, they just carve out a RTX 3080 10GB from their top end chip.

The 10 GB 3080 released Sep 1. 2020 and went on sale on the 17th, more than a full month before AMD announced the 6800 XT and almost 3 before they released the 6900 XT. You might mean the 12 GB 3080, but that's basically a 3080 Ti that didn't make the cut for some quality assurance reason. Likely the GA102's bin. The best ones with 82 and 84 functional SMs went on the 3090 and 3090 Ti, with the 3080 Ti getting one that had 80 units, 3080 12GB 70 and original 3080 68. There's a pro card (A4500) that gets only 56 SMs, being the worst GA102 bin.

Vya DomusRegular 4070 is already a pretty atrocious value proposition

At MSRP, yes.
At current pricing, not really. The only things to bother this GPU are:
• RX 7800 XT, yet y'know, it's already more expensive and less available, and also is an AMD GPU so it doesn't have DLSS, CUDA, power efficiency, and ray tracing performance to brag about.
• RX 6900 XT. Same crap but also even less power efficient.
• RTX 3080. Technically faster than 4070, yet it consumes almost double the power and has two less GB of VRAM so not ideal by any stretch of imagination.
• Aftermarket 3080 Ti and 6950 XT. Both are faster but they are also both used and power hogs.

And that's it. Compared to other price segments, 4070 gets you the best bang per buck as well. So it's not 4070 that's bad, it's the market that's suboptimal.

(but having a $500 GPU that handles any game at 1080p/DLSS1440p and will handle any game at 1080p/DLSS1440p for another five years is really not bad)

Beginner Micro DeviceAt MSRP, yes.
At current pricing, not really. The only things to bother this GPU are:
• RX 7800 XT, yet y'know, it's already more expensive and less available, and also is an AMD GPU so it doesn't have DLSS, CUDA, power efficiency, and ray tracing performance to brag about.
• RX 6900 XT. Same crap but also even less power efficient.
• RTX 3080. Technically faster than 4070, yet it consumes almost double the power and has two less GB of VRAM so not ideal by any stretch of imagination.
• Aftermarket 3080 Ti and 6950 XT. Both are faster but they are also both used and power hogs.

And that's it. Compared to other price segments, 4070 gets you the best bang per buck as well. So it's not 4070 that's bad, it's the market that's suboptimal.

(but having a $500 GPU that handles any game at 1080p/DLSS1440p and will handle any game at 1080p/DLSS1440p for another five years is really not bad)

That's country dependent. The 7800XT (~$650 CAD) is cheaper than the RTX4070 (~$700 CAD) from what I've seen in Canada.

I really wanted a further cut down AD102 based "4080Ti" with 20GB and a 320 bit bus. I really think that 256 bit bus and lack of memory bandwidth kills the 4080. Compared to my 3080Ti and my 4090, it displays wired performance issues that I really think are due to LACK OF MEMORY BANDWIDTH