So a RTX 4070 Ti SUPER it is....

I would choose the 7900xt at this price if I was buying. It's not like I am playing many ray tracing games or doing any compute work.

its 150€ cheaper here and i got a game with it and the radeon is most of the times faster too.:slap:

nvidia is selling rt perf thats all. an overclocked 7800xt for 500 € is on the heels of the 4070 ti super yet it costs almost double. nvidia lost its mind

Nordict's not like I am playing many ray tracing games

you can play every non nvidia sponsored rt game with an rx 7900. :toast:

The 4070ti super was really just an excuse to keep a similar product at the same overpriced point lol.

Nosferatu666its 150€ cheaper here and i got a game with it and the radeon is most of the times faster too.:slap:

nvidia is selling rt perf thats all. an overclocked 7800xt for 500 € is on the heels of the 4070 ti super yet it costs almost double. nvidia lost its mind


you can play every non nvidia sponsored rt game with an rx 7900. :toast:

yeah the rx 7900 XT usually bests the 4070 in ray tracing games, people exaggerate AMD's RT loss in performance (my rtx 3080 is supposedly good at RT but loses to it for example)

RTX 4000 suck, no RT improvements, hopefully they move forward with RT for RTX 5000 series and actually improve it this time

thats because they dont see the real picture a 4070 does best at 1080p with its tiny bit bus, the higher the res, the higher the hit. the 7900 series is exactly the oppsoite the higher the res the better the card gets utilized and 320 and 384 bit bus is godly on 4k.

yea they only see marketing from nvidia and believe it. sure nvidia perfromas beeter in rt most of the time but if i have 75 fps or 90 is it really that bad when you outperform the competition in 99,999999% of games. brainwashed sheeple is all i see these days no matter what brand.

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Vya DomusThe 4070ti super was really just an excuse to keep a similar product at the same overpriced point lol.

excatly all they see is msrp is the same yea no shit since no one bought it at the old msrp also the card should have been release at the strreet price of the 4070ti not bs msrp its another trap. and the card that really got cheaper the 4080 is sometimes even slower than its non super part. at this point simply wait for super refresh of vblackwell if it has top be nvidia then you at least get what should have been on day 1. but who am i kidding sheeple will buy anything from nvidia. they can do whatever theys want. they could tell people to fuck off with while buying their cards they still would buy the next one.

Nosferatu666if i have 75 fps or 90 is it really that bad when you outperform the competition in 99,999999% of games.

That's true but... Here's the thing. AMD GPUs don't have access to DLSS and FSR is implemented very badly in some games. In case I use DLSS Quality (or sometimes even Balanced), I don't notice image quality degradation in most games. With FSR, image quality degradation is a given. Especially below Quality mode. So in older games it's NVIDIA because AMD GPUs aren't really optimised for them (some DX10 and older titles outright refuse to be stable or even don't launch on AMD cards but run perfectly fine on NV counterparts), and in newer games it's also NVIDIA because we basically compare DLSS Quality on NV to native on AMD (with how poorly native TAA works, DLSSQ oftentimes doesn't look worse than that).

That said, RX 7900 XT will only be tasty for below 650 USD (but for the actual reality check, it has to drop down to 550ish dollars so NV stop overpricing their hardware).

NB: I rock an AMD GPU and occasionally use an RTX 3060 Ti. I know what I'm talking about.

Beginner Micro DeviceThat's true but... Here's the thing. AMD GPUs don't have access to DLSS and FSR is implemented very badly in some games. In case I use DLSS Quality (or sometimes even Balanced), I don't notice image quality degradation in most games. With FSR, image quality degradation is a given. Especially below Quality mode. So in older games it's NVIDIA because AMD GPUs aren't really optimised for them (some DX10 and older titles outright refuse to be stable or even don't launch on AMD cards but run perfectly fine on NV counterparts), and in newer games it's also NVIDIA because we basically compare DLSS Quality on NV to native on AMD (with how poorly native TAA works, DLSSQ oftentimes doesn't look worse than that).

That said, RX 7900 XT will only be tasty for below 650 USD (but for the actual reality check, it has to drop down to 550ish dollars so NV stop overpricing their hardware).

NB: I rock an AMD GPU and occasionally use an RTX 3060 Ti. I know what I'm talking about.

So basically you are saying AMD should sell cheaper so Nvidia can drop prices. I'm afraid it does not work like that, Nvidia set the pricing seeing as they are the market leader. Be honest, you just want AMD to drop prices to get Nvidia cards cheaper.

Here's another thing. I have a Steam and GOG library full of PC games dating back to the 1980's/90's. Hundreds of games, there is not one that I have trouble playing on a 7900XTX. As a matter of fact I have more trouble with older games on my other PC with a 4080.

NB: I also know what i'm talking about.

I don't want to replace my still flawlessly working G-Sync only monitor @1440p 165Hz, so Nvidia it is....

Beginner Micro DeviceThat's true but... Here's the thing. AMD GPUs don't have access to DLSS and FSR is implemented very badly in some games. In case I use DLSS Quality (or sometimes even Balanced), I don't notice image quality degradation in most games. With FSR, image quality degradation is a given. Especially below Quality mode. So in older games it's NVIDIA because AMD GPUs aren't really optimised for them (some DX10 and older titles outright refuse to be stable or even don't launch on AMD cards but run perfectly fine on NV counterparts), and in newer games it's also NVIDIA because we basically compare DLSS Quality on NV to native on AMD (with how poorly native TAA works, DLSSQ oftentimes doesn't look worse than that).

That said, RX 7900 XT will only be tasty for below 650 USD (but for the actual reality check, it has to drop down to 550ish dollars so NV stop overpricing their hardware).

NB: I rock an AMD GPU and occasionally use an RTX 3060 Ti. I know what I'm talking about.

Whyyy ? I genuinely want Nvidia to charge twice as much across the board and deliver no more than a 15-20% performance improvement. The important thing is to have fake frames and upscaling on my expensive GPU, not performance. I'm hoping that the next generation will have a magical feature that compresses audio quality to AMR and then enhances it using AI to FLAC.

RGAFLBe honest, you just want AMD to drop prices to get Nvidia cards cheaper.

And why is this sinful? I don't see anything wrong in GPU price drops no matter how they're caused.

NV won't cut their prices if AMD do nothing. NV will consider discounts if AMD do something. NV will sell cheaper if AMD really destroy them in $ per FPS metric. Imagine selling 4060 Ti for 400 USD if that was the price of 7800 XT. I genuinely don't see 4060 Ti staying this expensive if AMD did this thing. But they didn't, they placed this GPU right into the spot where it delivers margin of error more value than 4070 in non-RT and that's it. And no, 10 to 15 % advantage IS margin of error more value all things considered.

Why is 4090 so expensive? Because AMD don't have anything to make 4090 look slow.
Why is 4080 above $1000? Because AMD's flagship, priced at 1000 USD, isn't faster.
Tango is a dance of two, not one. We need both sides to compete, not the only company having all the take.

P.S. RT performance in AMD GPUs is barely existent. Maybe 7900 XTX is a little bit better than that. The reason they are much slower in NVIDIA sponsored titles is not NVIDIA sponsoring these titles but rather extensively weak RT performance overall. RE4 Remake and the likes of it use RT to extent you can call it literally pure raster games and not be totally wrong.

RGAFLSo basically you are saying AMD should sell cheaper so Nvidia can drop prices. I'm afraid it does not work like that, Nvidia set the pricing seeing as they are the market leader. Be honest, you just want AMD to drop prices to get Nvidia cards cheaper.

Here's another thing. I have a Steam and GOG library full of PC games dating back to the 1980's/90's. Hundreds of games, there is not one that I have trouble playing on a 7900XTX. As a matter of fact I have more trouble with older games on my other PC with a 4080.

NB: I also know what i'm talking about.

I love this logic from Nvidia brand loyalists. They will never ever buy AMD but pretend they are looking at the whole market. Then complain that AMD prices are too high and pretend if only they drop the price then they might consider. But in reality they hope lower AMD prices will drop Nvidia prices, the only card they ever intended to buy.

What’s ironic, the only reason prices are high is because these loyalists will only buy Nvidia. Go figure. Lol!

Beginner Micro DeviceAnd why is this sinful? I don't see anything wrong in GPU price drops no matter how they're caused.

NV won't cut their prices if AMD do nothing. NV will consider discounts if AMD do something. NV will sell cheaper if AMD really destroy them in $ per FPS metric. Imagine selling 4060 Ti for 400 USD if that was the price of 7800 XT. I genuinely don't see 4060 Ti staying this expensive if AMD did this thing. But they didn't, they placed this GPU right into the spot where it delivers margin of error more value than 4070 in non-RT and that's it. And no, 10 to 15 % advantage IS margin of error more value all things considered.

Why is 4090 so expensive? Because AMD don't have anything to make 4090 look slow.
Why is 4080 above $1000? Because AMD's flagship, priced at 1000 USD, isn't faster.
Tango is a dance of two, not one. We need both sides to compete, not the only company having all the take.

P.S. RT performance in AMD GPUs is barely existent. Maybe 7900 XTX is a little bit better than that. The reason they are much slower in NVIDIA sponsored titles is not NVIDIA sponsoring these titles but rather extensively weak RT performance overall. RE4 Remake and the likes of it use RT to extent you can call it literally pure raster games and not be totally wrong.

In fact, it's because Nvidia has loyal followers to buy it no matter the price, just like Apple, it doesn't matter if it costs double, triple and delivers 20% more performance, it doesn't matter if it creates fashion that it can't run. The important thing is that you run at 25fps and the competition at 10fps.

Blind fanatics will always find excuses to justify themselves;
Here's a secret: If you don't buy something, the price drops, it's simple.

This is great and all, but where's the $275CAD ($205USD) cards.............................well at least there is one 8GB card in there



8GB cards sorted by lowest price..............a couple Arc A750s and RTX 3050's in there

Beginner Micro DeviceP.S. RT performance in AMD GPUs is barely existent. Maybe 7900 XTX is a little bit better than that. The reason they are much slower in NVIDIA sponsored titles is not NVIDIA sponsoring these titles but rather extensively weak RT performance overall. RE4 Remake and the likes of it use RT to extent you can call it literally pure raster games and not be totally wrong.

So by this logic, the online Call Of Duty, one of the most popular games in the world by the way, which runs faster on a 7900XTX than a 4090 should justify the 7900XTX costing as much as a 4090. It really does not work like that.

And why should AMD lower prices when they already have lower prices than Nvidia tier for tier. Surely Nvidia with their vast amounts of money could drop prices to force AMD's hand. No company is a charity and their not your friend. Really you should be more concerned that a Nvidia 80 class GPU nearly doubled in price and very nearly also released a 70 class GPU as a 80 class. If there is a company that has the margins to drop a graphics card's price it's Nvidia.

Beginner Micro DeviceAnd why is this sinful? I don't see anything wrong in GPU price drops no matter how they're caused.

NV won't cut their prices if AMD do nothing. NV will consider discounts if AMD do something. NV will sell cheaper if AMD really destroy them in $ per FPS metric. Imagine selling 4060 Ti for 400 USD if that was the price of 7800 XT. I genuinely don't see 4060 Ti staying this expensive if AMD did this thing. But they didn't, they placed this GPU right into the spot where it delivers margin of error more value than 4070 in non-RT and that's it. And no, 10 to 15 % advantage IS margin of error more value all things considered.

Why is 4090 so expensive? Because AMD don't have anything to make 4090 look slow.
Why is 4080 above $1000? Because AMD's flagship, priced at 1000 USD, isn't faster.
Tango is a dance of two, not one. We need both sides to compete, not the only company having all the take.

P.S. RT performance in AMD GPUs is barely existent. Maybe 7900 XTX is a little bit better than that. The reason they are much slower in NVIDIA sponsored titles is not NVIDIA sponsoring these titles but rather extensively weak RT performance overall. RE4 Remake and the likes of it use RT to extent you can call it literally pure raster games and not be totally wrong.

This is bad as people want to AMD sell their product at a loss while Nvidia can charge whatever they want because the loyal Nvidia buyers will buy an Nvidia card no matter what Nvidia wants to charge.

Also be realistic, Nvidia won't cut their prices anyway, even though RX 7000 cards are competitive in rasterized performance, the part which most people actually care about, Nvidia charges what they do because of marketing and mindshare, people are convinced they need Nvidia features to play games, and keep repeating the outdated claim of AMD drivers being bad.
The 7900XTX is faster in raster performance, yet the RTX 4080 is over $1000 because Nvidia can charge whatever they want while saying they don't give a crap about the gaming market. Remember Nvidia tried to sell a RTX 4080 12GB for $900.

RT performance still isn't good enough for the stupidly high prices Nvidia is charging, you shouldn't need to use upscaling and fake frames to use RT at 4K on a $2000 RTX 4090.

The 7900XT is what the 7800XT at the very least should have been as a 6800XT successor, minus the 4GB extra VRAM. And what price did the 6800XT have? 649$ at release.

RGAFLSo by this logic, the online Call Of Duty, one of the most popular games in the world by the way, which runs faster on a 7900XTX than a 4090 should justify the 7900XTX costing as much as a 4090. It really does not work like that.

If the CoD was the only video game ever then yes, it would've made sense for 7900 XTX to be more expensive. But it's much slower in 99% titles, sometimes by 2+ times (with RT on, up to infinity).

RGAFLReally you should be more concerned that a Nvidia 80 class GPU nearly doubled in price and very nearly also released a 70 class GPU as a 80 class.

You don't say... These prices are not only because of NV's greed. They are greedy because AMD let them be so. No action from AMD → no action from NV.

I'm kinda digging the fact AMD GPUs are faster than similarly priced NV GPUs in pure raster but... they are so much worse in everything else and AMD don't declare a price war it simply doesn't make any sense to me to support AMD. They are simply worse than NV only because they aren't better.

DenverHere's a secret: If you don't buy something, the price drops, it's simple.

I'm afraid I don't impact the pricing. I am a broke person with a past-gen mid-range RT uncapable GPU and that's the best my budget allows me to have. And I know the higher demand makes for higher prices.

But still, that's not the point right now as NV do not have a reason to cut their prices simply because similarly priced AMD GPUs are worse in everything that's not pure raster performance and winnings on the latter are too insignificant to be bothered with (10% is by no mean massive).

Hecate91AMD sell their product at a loss while Nvidia can charge whatever they want

Err... if your product is so bad it's not the customer's fault. We don't have to care about their profits. It's their problem.

Beginner Micro DeviceIf the CoD was the only video game ever then yes, it would've made sense for 7900 XTX to be more expensive. But it's much slower in 99% titles, sometimes by 2+ times (with RT on, up to infinity).

Actually Nvidia is miles faster in CoD when using competitive settings which most people would use when playing competitive games anyways


Not to mention Nvidia users also have Reflex advantage.

Beginner Micro DeviceIf the CoD was the only video game ever then yes, it would've made sense for 7900 XTX to be more expensive. But it's much slower in 99% titles, sometimes by 2+ times (with RT on, up to infinity).

You don't say... These prices are not only because of NV's greed. They are greedy because AMD let them be so. No action from AMD → no action from NV.

I'm kinda digging the fact AMD GPUs are faster than similarly priced NV GPUs in pure raster but... they are so much worse in everything else and AMD don't declare a price war it simply doesn't make any sense to me to support AMD. They are simply worse than NV only because they aren't better.

I'm afraid I don't impact the pricing. I am a broke person with a past-gen mid-range RT uncapable GPU and that's the best my budget allows me to have. And I know the higher demand makes for higher prices.

But still, that's not the point right now as NV do not have a reason to cut their prices simply because similarly priced AMD GPUs are worse in everything that's not pure raster performance and winnings on the latter are too insignificant to be bothered with (10% is by no mean massive).


Err... if your product is so bad it's not the customer's fault. We don't have to care about their profits. It's their problem.

You don't even need to compare it with AMD, compare it with the 4080. Double the price, 20% more performance. Monkey wants banana. That's how it works.

The only thing that matters to me is rasterization performance and price. What game doesn't use rasterization?

Most games with RT are a bland effect that only steals performance in exchange for effects that I need to stop and analyze to notice. The 2-3 that use PT don't run well at all, unless you sacrifice resolution which is extremely dumb for something that is intended to be realistic.

If the games were photorealistic, and had good performance I would be the first to say "Ah, the hardware costs thousands of dollars, but the result in quality is proportional"

Admit it, so far RT is pure Alienation. It's not realistic, it doesn't run well on anything, it wastes resources and makes everything more expensive. period.

DenverDouble the price, 20% more performance.

So... $1600 is double the $1200..? I'm a little confused here.

Denver20% more performance

30% at the very least. 4090 is CPU bottlenecked in almost all games below 4K and in many games at 4K.

One of a few games which can push your GPU to 100% clearly shows it's not 20% but rather 33%:


That said, $1600 is less greedy for 4090 than $1200 is for 4080 considering you're getting the very best all-around GPU. $1200 for 4080 was a joke, is a joke and will be a freaking joke. 7900 XTX doesn't deserve being over 700 USD either.

DenverAdmit it, so far RT is pure Alienation. It's not realistic, it doesn't run well on anything, it wastes resources and makes everything more expensive. period.

It's much more realistic than SSR, let alone baked lighting. If you need to pay attention to notice the difference this means you didn't enable RT or you have some vision issues, IDK. Once seen, can't be unseen. Much easier to implement, too. The problem is on the AMD side: they don't develop RT in their hardware so gaming consoles don't get RT so everyone only gets tech previews like Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk 2077, and games where RT isn't actually RT.

Just for your information: even Intel Arc GPUs handle RT better than AMD GPUs. This is how bad things for AMD are.

Nosferatu666you can play every non nvidia sponsored rt game with an rx 7900. :toast:

I recently started Metro Exodus. It is the first ray tracing game I have tried. My 6750xt can get 80+ fps with high settings. Using the fsr2 mod I am getting 200+ fps.

NordicI recently started Metro Exodus. It is the first ray tracing game I have tried. My 6750xt can get 80+ fps with high settings. Using the fsr2 mod I am getting 200+ fps.

Metro is very optimized, but at what resolution and settings? With a 6750 XT you'll have some severe trouble once you reach the Taiga level. Not even my RTX 3090 could handle it too well the last time I played, and I'm willing to bet that both the RTX 3090 Ti (Ampere maxed out sans power limit problems) and the possibly even the 4080 will need DLSS to retain 60 fps at 4K.

$100 cheaper? Not in my neck of the woods its not. lol

Super XP$100 cheaper? Not in my neck of the woods its not. lol

News tend to be very focused on the pampered American market that responds almost instantly to pricing changes enacted by companies. Out here we don't get FE cards, we barely get any AIB distributed first parties, prices take months to change, if they ever do...

Either if it was $200 cheaper I would have a hard time justifying a 7900 XT over a 4070 Ti SUPER, though.