kapone32Everyone knows you love Nvidia

Nowhere near as much as you love AMD ;)

The Norwegian Drone PilotAs much as I hate NVIDIA as a company, it's still a fact that NVIDIA here is overall better in many things, even if the price on the AMD GPUs is a little cheaper. It's not all about the price all the times.

There are several features the NVIDIA GPUs have that AMD doesn't have that favours NVIDIA for me. I'm going to list some of the more important features for me under here.

• CUDA-cores. It's much much more available in video editing programs or other programs that takes advantage of the CUDA-cores. AMD have something similar I think, but it's nowhere close to be as much effective and available as CUDA is.
• NVIDIA RTX Video (Super Resolution & HDR): nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5448/~/rtx-video-faq
• NVIDIA RTX TrueHDR in games (SDR to HDR conversion feature via AI): wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-video-hdr-mod-reportedly-provides-better-auto-hdr-for-games-than-the-default-windows-one/
• Power usage. It's important for me as I'm using a Mini-ITX case.
• Better 'Ray Tracing' performance. Not important to be best at this. It's just a small added bonus to have a good performance in this sometimes. And the 'RTX 4070 Ti SUPER' is powerful enough to actually use 'Ray Tracing' to an acceptable level.

So, an 'RTX 4070 Ti SUPER' is the GPU I'm going to buy if I'm buying a new GPU before the next generation of GPUs comes out from NVIDIA and AMD.

AMD's been trying to clone most of Nvidia's now-mature features such as Video Super Resolution as of late, but it's still not quite there. Anyway, there's not much to hate about Nvidia as a company lately. The competition doesn't have a higher moral standard, after all. They're all corporations and should be treated as such.

evernessinceThe game's performance has always been all over the place. The game is notoriously inconsistent regardless of which vendor's card you have and performance has shifted with driver and game updates, both up and down.

If you want a competitive edge in CoD just use any of the numerous controller remap programs to trick the game into thinking you are using controller to give you free auto-aim (or any of the programs to designed to do that without the slight hassle). It's not even considered cheating. Competitive and CoD are oxymorons. The game has aimbot built in and no CoD has even been balanced and it has never been considered an eSports title.

Don't put words in my mouth. Never said that.

First, COD is not an eSports. There's a greater argument that you haven't played eSport if all you've played is CoD. Second, I reached Masters is OW when that game was actually good (it's trash now).

Sounds like a skill issue, can't properly cap FPS. In a hypothetical scenario where you cap your FPS say 10 below the ideal to ensure consistent input latency (which is really what's penalized when your GPU reaches 100% utilization), the difference in latency in a game that runs at 280 FPS is 0.13 ms. You're no faker bro, 0% chance you are seeing that, let alone being harmed by a 0.13ms difference. Especially in a game like CoD with crap netcode that makes getting killed by superbullets (multiple hits registering at once) and hits behind walls common. It's not like you can't pull up the setings menu and adjust the cap at any time if you do experience a latency increase during a fight, not really sure what you are aruging here other than being either lazy or incompetent.

You are trying to make an argument that would typically apply to eSports titles but in the case of CoD there are far far greater issues that plauge the game.

LOL you need to get your eyes checked dude, I posted a benchmark of Warzone, the esport part of COD.

Warzone is an esport with many pro teams participating
escharts.com/games/warzone

OW is the least skill based esport out there, my noob friend could solo queue to Master by just spamming meta hero (Ana), no need for aiming LOL.

No idea where you pull the 0.13ms input lantecy improvement from, latency decrease linearly with FPS increase, by increasing the FPS to 2x you can cut the input latency in half.
GamerNexus started testing input latency improvement with GPU and here the 4090 the get a sizeable input latency reduction in Siege


Maybe I'm not as good an esport player as I used to be (I reached Divine bracket in Dota2 years ago), but I still play PUBG everyday, I sure as heck would like to have the competitive advantage against kids LOL

Dr. DroNowhere near as much as you love AMD ;)

I do not go on Nvidia threads and dump on them. You seem to not be able to not bad talk AMD. Yes I am enjoying my AMD PC because I built it for 4K Gaming and it is fine for the cost of a 4090. I have been Gaming since the arcade and the features that you claim AMD copies are mostly DX features. This current DLSS argument now the AFMF has launched will make the Gsync vs Freesync vibe come right back. In that time frame the press lavished on Gsync and used the same hardware based argument. Well today Freesync and VRR are the same thing. You know what percentage of monitors that are sold are Gsync vs Freesync?

kapone32I do not go on Nvidia threads and dump on them. You seem to not be able to not bad talk AMD. Yes I am enjoying my AMD PC because I built it for 4K Gaming and it is fine for the cost of a 4090. I have been Gaming since the arcade and the features that you claim AMD copies are mostly DX features. This current DLSS argument now the AFMF has launched will make the Gsync vs Freesync vibe come right back. In that time frame the press lavished on Gsync and used the same hardware based argument. Well today Freesync and VRR are the same thing. You know what percentage of monitors that are sold are Gsync vs Freesync?

You do that all the time... although it's fine, it's a forum, a place to exchange ideas. And no, practically none of them are native DirectX features at all.

No wonder G-Sync monitors are rarer now that adaptive sync is an industry standard. Why pay a premium on a module if you can get a better panel instead? :kookoo:

kapone32In that time frame the press lavished on Gsync and used the same hardware based argument.

It's funny because I bet monitor manufactures are glad gsync is on the way out, the gsync modules are crazy expensive eating away at a lot of the margins that they could aim for.

Vya DomusIt's funny because I bet monitor manufactures are glad gsync is on the way out, the gsync modules were crazy expensive eating away at a lot of the margins that they could aim for.

Only monitors that have a module that make sense nowadays are those fancy Reflex monitors with end-to-end latency monitoring like the ROG Swift PG259QNR, but this monitor is extremely expensive for a 360 Hz IPS and IMHO its only true purpose is if you're really big on eSports and need to obsess over every detail, otherwise you'll probably be better off with any LG OLED out there.

evernessinceIndeed but internet latency is additive in the sense that it only increase the total latency chain in addition to whatever latency you experience as a result of your system. I'd have to agree that in your situation you have bigger fish to fry than chasing frames. In your case you may be able to improve latency somewhat by getting a router that supports QoS. What you are likely experiencing is called buffer bloat, wherein the packets sent from your game client are waiting in queue before actually being sent to the game server. With QoS enabled though, if properly configured it will always ensure that some bandwidth is available for high priority data, This is important for games as the data is very time sensitive. Packets from a video streaming service can afford to wait a few additional ms in queue as every modern video client supports buffering providing more than enough time to makeup for such delays (typically most buffer for 5000 ms or 5 seconds at a minimum).

Nah, I'm good with my single player games, but I see what you mean. If I was interested in eSports, or any online game, I'd probably do just that. :)

AusWolfNah, I'm good with my single player games, but I see what you mean. If I was interested in eSports, or any online game, I'd probably do just that. :)

Single Player games for me too. Not too interested in multiplayer unless its games like Left 4 Dead 2, Back 4 Blood for example

Dr. DroWhy pay a premium on a module if you can get a better panel instead? :kookoo:

Similarly, why pay a premium on features such as DLSS when you can get the same native performance cheaper? ;)

I'm not saying that either choice is wrong, just that every argument has two sides (at least).

Super XPSingle Player games for me too. Not too interested in multiplayer unless its games like Left 4 Dead 2, Back 4 Blood for example

The only online games I've ever been interested in are World of Tanks and World of Warships, although it's been a long while since I last played either. The quality of the general community hasn't been great in recent years (far too many angry teenagers for my liking).

Dr. DroAnyway, there's not much to hate about Nvidia as a company lately.

I don't love Nvidia, so it is easy to see reasons to dislike them as a company. I refuse to pay a premium for overhyped gimmicky features, I'm not buying anything with the badly designed 12VHWPR connector, and Nvidia has mostly killed off EVGA by undercutting AIB's while restricting what AIB's can do with overclocking and card designs.

Dr. DroYou do that all the time... although it's fine, it's a forum, a place to exchange ideas. And no, practically none of them are native DirectX features at all.

No wonder G-Sync monitors are rarer now that adaptive sync is an industry standard. Why pay a premium on a module if you can get a better panel instead? :kookoo:

Dumping on AMD in AMD threads really isn't exchanging anything, it just shows how well the Nvidia marketing works with how people insist they need to spend a premium on features when you can spend less and use open source features or just play games without upscaling because the option is there to get better native gaming performance for less.
AMD's RT is based on DirectX DXR, while AMD's other features like FSR aren't based on DirectX, they are still open source, which is much better than a proprietary closed ecosystem.
I remember when reviewers insisted Gysnc monitors were the only choice, reviewers are doing the same thing with Nvidia software features only Nvidia users can use,and on frame gen only 40 series users can use as Nvidia would rather people buy a new GPU than allow 30 series users to get more performance, cards like the 3060 8GB and 3070 8GB need frame gen as 8GB of VRAM just isn't enough for newer games. Hopefully AMD can improve on RT performance and it can become a feature everyone can use like Freesync, as Nvidia having a near monopoly on ray tracing isn't a good thing.

Hecate91Dumping on AMD in AMD threads really isn't exchanging anything, it just shows how well the Nvidia marketing works with how people insist they need to spend a premium on features when you can spend less and use open source features or just play games without upscaling because the option is there to get better native gaming performance for less.
AMD's RT is based on DirectX DXR, while AMD's other features like FSR aren't based on DirectX, they are still open source, which is much better than a proprietary closed ecosystem.
I remember when reviewers insisted Gysnc monitors were the only choice, reviewers are doing the same thing with Nvidia software features only Nvidia users can use,and on frame gen only 40 series users can use as Nvidia would rather people buy a new GPU than allow 30 series users to get more performance, cards like the 3060 8GB and 3070 8GB need frame gen as 8GB of RAM just isn't enough for newer games. Hopefully AMD can improve on RT performance and it can become a feature everyone can use like Freesync, as Nvidia having a near monopoly on ray tracing isn't a good thing.

I spend a premium on premium features and stable ecosystem. I have no loyalty to a brand, nor do I fall victim to marketing tricks. In fact, I often comment on Nvidia's marketing posts on social media in a negative light, for example, their recent trend of comparing Turing and Ampere rendering a native image to Ada with DLSS-G and DLSS-RR enabled is simply dishonest. AMD has not been able to provide any of that, if you purchase a 7900 XTX today, you're settling. You're invariably getting the second class experience, and frankly, i didn't build my computer for that. Good for anyone who did, though. But the ravings and ramblings of AMD fans constantly dumping on Nvidia nGreedia and aggressively defending each and every move of their beloved FRIEND helps absolutely nobody either. It only feeds their delusion.

Nvidia's RT is also based on DXR. There's no difference, except they've got a generation's worth of a head start, as Turing was DXR capable and RDNA was not. Not only it wasn't, AMD also chose to take the lazy route and not implement the low-performance, but at the time, important software driver for it either, something that Nvidia went out of their way to add to Pascal. It may not have been fast enough for gamers, but it sure could help solidify GeForce as the premier RT vendor simply because you could develop DXR software on Pascal but not on AMD's products. The result is that both Nvidia's driver is far more mature, their software is more robust, but graphics programmers are actually more familiar with how the Nvidia hardware works because they've had such a massive head start.

Since I play on Windows, I'm not exactly drawn by open source, in fact, I couldn't care less as long as I get the best experience. The vast majority of people share this thought beyond a knee-jerk reaction of "oh yeah FOSS is great i love me some FOSS", and seconds later, pull out their iPhone from their pocket. They like the free part, the open source part... only devs care.

Dr. DroI spend a premium on premium features and stable ecosystem. I have no loyalty to a brand, nor do I fall victim to marketing tricks. In fact, I often comment on Nvidia's marketing posts on social media in a negative light, for example, their recent trend of comparing Turing and Ampere rendering a native image to Ada with DLSS-G and DLSS-RR enabled is simply dishonest. AMD has not been able to provide any of that, if you purchase a 7900 XTX today, you're settling. You're invariably getting the second class experience, and frankly, i didn't build my computer for that. Good for anyone who did, though. But the ravings and ramblings of AMD fans constantly dumping on Nvidia and aggressively defending each and every move of their beloved FRIEND helps absolutely nobody either. It only feeds their delusion.

Nvidia's RT is also based on DXR. There's no difference, except they've got a generation's worth of a head start, as Turing was DXR capable and RDNA was not. Not only it wasn't, AMD also chose to take the lazy route and not implement the low-performance, but at the time, important software driver for it either, something that Nvidia went out of their way to add to Pascal. It may not have been fast enough for gamers, but it sure could help solidify GeForce as the premier RT vendor simply because you could develop DXR software on Pascal but not on AMD's products.

Since I play on Windows, I'm not exactly drawn by open source, in fact, I couldn't care less as long as I get the best experience. The vast majority of people share this thought beyond a knee-jerk reaction of "oh yeah FOSS is great i love me some FOSS", and seconds later, pull out their iPhone from their pocket. They like the free part, the open source part... only devs care.

Premium features? Stable ecosystem? What? :wtf:

"An ecosystem (or ecological system) is a system that environments and their organisms form through their interaction.[2]: 458  The biotic and abiotic components are linked together through nutrient cycles and energy flows." - Wikipedia

How is DLSS an ecosystem? Or RT? These are features you can use in your game if you want to. They aren't living, interacting organisms in any way. I don't even see how they're premium when you have FSR and RT on AMD as well.

I'm currently playing Alan Wake 2 at 3440x1440, RT off, and no upscaling at 70-90 FPS on my 7800 XT. If I enable RT+PT, my FPS drops to 20. Should I have paid the Nvidia premium for a "much better" RT with the 4070 at a whopping 25 FPS? Is that really such a premium experience? I don't think so.

Edit: If you're enjoying your graphics card, good on you. Just don't try to sell it as some kind of "premium experience" because it's not. It's just a graphics card like any other.

Dr. Dro7900 XTX today, you're settling. You're invariably getting the second class experience

That's subjective, your sole opinion. Claiming owning a Radeon card gives users second class experience is utter hogwash.

If anything, AMD offers an enhanced experience by utilizing "Open Source" that's the thing with AMD they've always pushed for Open Source, where as Nvidia sticks it to developers with it's closed source solutions.

AusWolfPremium features? Stable ecosystem? What? :wtf:

"An ecosystem (or ecological system) is a system that environments and their organisms form through their interaction.[2]: 458  The biotic and abiotic components are linked together through nutrient cycles and energy flows." - Wikipedia

How is DLSS an ecosystem? Or RT? These are features you can use in your game if you want to. They aren't living, interacting organisms in any way. I don't even see how they're premium when you have FSR and RT on AMD as well.

I'm currently playing Alan Wake 2 at 3440x1440, RT off, and no upscaling at 70-90 FPS on my 7800 XT. If I enable RT+PT, my FPS drops to 20. Should I have paid the Nvidia premium for a "much better" RT with the 4070 at a whopping 25 FPS? Is that really such a premium experience? I don't think so.

Edit: If you're enjoying your graphics card, good on you. Just don't try to sell it as some kind of "premium experience" because it's not. It's just a graphics card like any other.

Yeah, try to enable the Nvidia features on an AMD card in any game. Even when they work, they perform like garbage and then people come on forums to say "ngreedia is sabotaging AMD :(((" as we've heard for years when HairWorks made the AMD driver go belly up because of their low instancing performance, just as an example. One side can never do wrong and is always wronged, it won't be here that we'll ever resolve this quarrel tbh.

DLSS is not an ecosystem. It's simply a feature that is part of an ecosystem. AMD's got their FidelityFX series of features all of which form the feature set of Radeon GPUs. Which one offers more features and the least trouble? Not a hard thing to figure out.

I speak against AMD when I believe they have to be spoken against. See a thread I intentionally stayed out of? This one:

www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/how-are-amd-drivers-these-days.318664/

and it's exemplary on why I don't trust them anymore.

Super XPThat's subjective, your sole opinion. Claiming owning a Radeon card gives users second class experience is utter hogwash.

If anything, AMD offers an enhanced experience by utilizing "Open Source" that's the thing with AMD they've always pushed for Open Source, where as Nvidia sticks it to developers with it's closed source solutions.

The market share speaks for itself.

Dr. DroYeah, try to enable the Nvidia features on an AMD card in any game. Even when they work, they perform like garbage and then people come on forums to say "ngreedia is sabotaging AMD :(((" as we've heard for years when HairWorks made the AMD driver go belly up because of their low instancing performance, just as an example. One side can never do wrong and is always wronged, it won't be here that we'll ever resolve this quarrel tbh.

I'm not saying that one side can never do wrong. I'm saying that proper RT runs like crap on everything, so I don't see why I should pay £50-100 more for 5 more FPS that still isn't an enjoyable experience.

Dr. DroDLSS is not an ecosystem. It's simply a feature that is part of an ecosystem. AMD's got their FidelityFX series of features all of which form the feature set of Radeon GPUs. Which one offers more features and the least trouble? Not a hard thing to figure out.

Honestly, I don't care. I just play games.

Dr. DroThe market share speaks for itself.

"Follow the masses" is not an argument. There was a time when everybody thought that the Earth was flat, and look where we are now.

AusWolfI'm not saying that one side can never do wrong. I'm saying that proper RT runs like crap on everything, so I don't see why I should pay £50-100 more for 5 more FPS that still isn't an enjoyable experience.


Honestly, I don't care. I just play games.


"Follow the masses" is not an argument. There was a time when everybody thought that the Earth was flat, and look where we are now.

Seeing it as 5 fps is a practical and even valid view, but when you're talking about 20 fps vs 25, you're talking about a 25% performance advantage. That will translate on the upper tiers, where things like that increasingly matter.

And you know better, "follow the masses" isn't what I meant. It's that I'm not alone in thinking that their GPUs aren't so hot, particularly once you're on the receiving end of the endless tradeoffs, drawbacks, buts and ifs that are invariably involved. To claim the "premium experience", you can't have your customers doing that job for you.

Hecate91Dumping on AMD in AMD threads really isn't exchanging anything, it just shows how well the Nvidia marketing works with how people insist they need to spend a premium on features when you can spend less and use open source features or just play games without upscaling because the option is there to get better native gaming performance for less.

AMD keep lowering their prices remind me of shady shops in my country that buyers must always haggle for a good prices LOL. 7900XT should have been 650usd to begin with, that could help AMD regain marketshare and most importantly mindshare. AMD has done the exact same thing to 7700XT.

RDNA3 is falling on its face, with such low market penetration it would probably gonna go the way of Vega64 and Radeon VII in term of driver support in the future.

nguyenRDNA3 is falling on its face, with such low market penetration it would probably gonna go the way of Vega64 and Radeon VII in term of driver support in the future.

This is also a major point of concern for me. If i'm to spend $1k on a GPU, even if I'm replacing it in 3 years as I usually do, I want them to be tested and maintained for the next ~10 years + security patch only sunset season that Nvidia's been giving us thus far.

The current release, 551.23, supports as far back as GM107, a now decade-old low end chip released January 2014.

AusWolfI'm not saying that one side can never do wrong. I'm saying that proper RT runs like crap on everything, so I don't see why I should pay £50-100 more for 5 more FPS that still isn't an enjoyable experience.


Honestly, I don't care. I just play games.


"Follow the masses" is not an argument. There was a time when everybody thought that the Earth was flat, and look where we are now.

Take note how Dr. Dro ends up in the exact same trajectory as ngyuen. 'But share proves it, so screw all other arguments'.

Funny isn't it, how people say they're different and then they turn out being ... people. This isn't gonna go anywhere.

Dr. DroYou do that all the time... although it's fine, it's a forum, a place to exchange ideas. And no, practically none of them are native DirectX features at all.

No wonder G-Sync monitors are rarer now that adaptive sync is an industry standard. Why pay a premium on a module if you can get a better panel instead? :kookoo:

Show me an Nvidia only thread where you see me trashing Nvidia.

Vayra86Take note how Dr. Dro ends up in the exact same trajectory as ngyuen. 'But share proves it, so screw all other arguments'.

Funny isn't it, how people say they're different and then they turn out being ... people. This isn't gonna go anywhere.

I just realize it's a futile argument. Neither side will ever concede on this. It's an endless quarrel. Right now, the house of cards is stacked against AMD. They are on the uphill battle, they are the ones trailing in market performance, features, etc. - and that means that they are the ones who need to overcome, adapt and innovate in order to lead.

You guys are happy? Brilliant! That's a great sign. I hope they continue their work so that I can be happy with them again. There's nothing wrong with that. I just want the make believe to end, pretending that issues aren't real, that arguments are overblown, and that the small indie is always being ruthlessly bullied by the greedy meanie... it all got so old by now. Every time I read the word "nGreedia" I just feel bitter disappointment. I fully realize that I often get on AMD fans' case. It's generally vested in good faith.

kapone32Show me an Nvidia only thread where you see me trashing Nvidia.

ok fine :)

Really, it's a lot less personal than it sounds. I've no real problem with you. It'd be good to see you broaden your horizons a little, though. AMD doesn't have your best interests at heart. :toast:

Dr. Drothey perform like garbage and then people come on forums to say "ngreedia is sabotaging AMD :(((" as we've heard for years when HairWorks made the AMD driver go belly up because of their low instancing performance

That was literally the purpose of things like HairWorks, come on man. It's disingenuous to refuse to see it for what it was, an attempt to cripple performance on AMD to make them look bad. This isn't even controversial.

Dr. DroSeeing it as 5 fps is a practical and even valid view, but when you're talking about 20 fps vs 25, you're talking about a 25% performance advantage. That will translate on the upper tiers, where things like that increasingly matter.

And you know better, "follow the masses" isn't what I meant. It's that I'm not alone in thinking that their GPUs aren't so hot, particularly once you're on the receiving end of the endless tradeoffs, drawbacks, buts and ifs that are invariably involved. To claim the "premium experience", you can't have your customers doing that job for you.

The problem is, 25% on top of nothing is still nothing. At this performance level, I'd need at least 2.5-3 times the performance for RT to be enjoyable. The 4090 could potentially give me that, but I'm not gonna pay over a thousand for a GPU. That is just sheer madness in my point of view.

I know you meant that you're not alone thinking the way you think. It's just that it's not really helping the conversation as it's not a valid argument for or against anything.

nguyenAMD keep lowering their prices remind me of shady shops in my country that buyers must always haggle for a good prices LOL. 7900XT should have been 650usd to begin with, that could help AMD regain marketshare and most importantly mindshare. AMD has done the exact same thing to 7700XT.

RDNA3 is falling on its face, with such low market penetration it would probably gonna go the way of Vega64 and Radeon VII in term of driver support in the future.

In my opinion, RDNA 3's main problem is RDNA 2's (relative) success. Most of those who wanted an AMD card in recent years have already got an RDNA 2, and the only tier that offers anything on top is the two 7900 cards.

Dr. DroI just realize it's a futile argument. Neither side will ever concede on this. It's an endless quarrel. Right now, the house of cards is stacked against AMD. They are on the uphill battle, they are the ones trailing in market performance, features, etc. - and that means that they are the ones who need to overcome, adapt and innovate in order to lead.

You guys are happy? Brilliant! That's a great sign. I hope they continue their work so that I can be happy with them again. There's nothing wrong with that. I just want the make believe to end, pretending that issues aren't real, that arguments are overblown, and that the small indie is always being ruthlessly bullied by the greedy meanie... it all got so old by now. Every time I read the word "nGreedia" I just feel bitter disappointment. I fully realize that I often get on AMD fans' case. It's generally vested in good faith.

Fair enough, but... What issues?

Edit: The "RT is so much better on Nvidia" argument is equally old. "Slightly less shit" is not the same thing as "so much better".

Dr. DroI just realize it's a futile argument. Neither side will ever concede on this. It's an endless quarrel. Right now, the house of cards is stacked against AMD. They are on the uphill battle, they are the ones trailing in market performance, features, etc. - and that means that they are the ones who need to overcome, adapt and innovate in order to lead.

You guys are happy? Brilliant! That's a great sign. I hope they continue their work so that I can be happy with them again. There's nothing wrong with that. I just want the make believe to end, pretending that issues aren't real, that arguments are overblown, and that the small indie is always being ruthlessly bullied by the greedy meanie... it all got so old by now. Every time I read the word "nGreedia" I just feel bitter disappointment. I fully realize that I often get on AMD fans' case. It's generally vested in good faith.



ok fine :)

Really, it's a lot less personal than it sounds. I've no real problem with you. It'd be good to see you broaden your horizons a little, though. AMD doesn't have your best interests at heart. :toast:

Ok you got me. 1 thread where I complain about the power draw of the 3090Ti. It does not matter though, when I am trying to get to 2nd place in AMS2, this is the last thing I think about as my monitor glitches because the GPU is pushing 350+ FPS at 4K. I like how you took all of those AMD threads and included them though thanks.

I don't know what issues you are talking about. Please explain.

As far as Ngreedia, that moniker fits if you are EVGA or any of the AIB partners make less than 10%. When Nvidia says that it's profit margin has increased to 74%. The only thing to call that is greed. They even are making GPUs to subvert Sanctions and pumped 4090s to their Asian partners to avoid the sanctions. All of that led to what people like you like to tout about 81% market share. I will ask you do you know 10 people in your local circle that have a 4090?

Getting back to the thread. I have this specific card. I bought it at launch and it was $1299. It has been more than a year and now that card is $999. That is $300 and that is after more than a year on the market. If you think that people are not buying these GPUs you would be mistaken. At least once a week on TPU, someone joins the 7000 series club. At least in there we don't get hyperbolic comments like the ones you make.

Dr. DroI just realize it's a futile argument. Neither side will ever concede on this. It's an endless quarrel. Right now, the house of cards is stacked against AMD. They are on the uphill battle, they are the ones trailing in market performance, features, etc. - and that means that they are the ones who need to overcome, adapt and innovate in order to lead.

You guys are happy? Brilliant! That's a great sign. I hope they continue their work so that I can be happy with them again. There's nothing wrong with that. I just want the make believe to end, pretending that issues aren't real, that arguments are overblown, and that the small indie is always being ruthlessly bullied by the greedy meanie... it all got so old by now. Every time I read the word "nGreedia" I just feel bitter disappointment. I fully realize that I often get on AMD fans' case. It's generally vested in good faith.



ok fine :)

Really, it's a lot less personal than it sounds. I've no real problem with you. It'd be good to see you broaden your horizons a little, though. AMD doesn't have your best interests at heart. :toast:

It is futile that is exactly what Ive concluded :) Glad we agree. Its not meant personally, indeed. Opinions differ - and they also change over time. For over a decade I would not touch AMD with a ten foot pole because of similar arguments we see today.

The differences have been there for a long time. Today, Im of the opinion AMD has positioned itself much better, as in, the chiplet is likely a much more crucial piece of tech to advance GPUs than more refinement on monolithical dies where it is already evident we barely gain more FPS per dollar on the hardware alone. Thats worrying and requires a solution - one even Nvidia is gonna have to adopt.