Neo_MorpheusI agree, I personally never buy at launch or preorder, but cannot ignore the fact that when I received those games, that was indeed their prices. So that was their value at the moment.

Agreed.

As mentioned, day one launch price was that and thats when I got them, so fair is fair.

Sometimes that works, but will use one particular example, the Spider Man games have not come down in price. They do go on sale, but not "low" enough, considering their age.

Please see above.

Please see above.

It does, as stated, except perhaps with the 4090, but that was never the target.

According to some, not entirely the case and sometimes, even their own customers get shafted, just ask the proud owners of the 30xx series.

That is something that many people have already mentioned and debunked here and other threads. Personally, I have seen a couple and I mean literally a couple of times where I say wow, rt is nice. And then reality hits, not even the 4090 with dlss and frame gen is enough for some of those, so I dont think such prices are worth now.

Funny how power consumption only matters when I can be used against AMD. I speak about the other times when this comes up, like with the current intel CPUs, when magically, power consumption on a desktop doesnt matter. yes, potato - potatoe or how the saying goes.

Granted, they worked on that for a while and had the vision, but if you need it and there are alternatives, just not mature enough.

I wouldnt say its as a one sided but I get it.

Again, that matters when is convenient, for example, how many post in this thread alone are asking for lower prices?

Yet they were ok in accepting the price increase from the 3080 ($329) to the 4080 ($1100).

I'm willing to take the a slightly less "performant" tech if it helps a bigger userbase.

Principles, hence why I like AMD.

They went extra hard on Tegra 2 or whatever is called for the upcoming Switch 2, since AMD also did a big push with Nintendo so they would switch to AMD.

I love how I live rent free in your world.
Funny how people get triggered just because little ol'me doesnt like Ngreedia. ;)

Neo_MorpheusI agree, I personally never buy at launch or preorder, but cannot ignore the fact that when I received those games, that was indeed their prices. So that was their value at the moment.

Vayra86Understood and respected. Can see your POV, and part of it is also the reason I picked a 7900XT this time around. Still, even in doing so, I can totally see why Nvidia has the market share it does, and its not all bad and nefarious in my view, they've worked hard at their near monopoly and AMD has certainly not invested as much into the PC gamer. Lots of promises, lacking delivery, multiple times in the last decade.

Vayra86No, you got a 7900XTX for 800. The games aren't worth 170. They're freebies you otherwise would have never bought for that kind of money, let's keep it real.

Game bundles hardly represent value. Its just nice.

AMD will never win market share by selling game bundles either. The GPU behind it needs to be compelling, not the deal with the games.


I always love these fantasy comments. 'If AMD would - (insert impossible situation)' I would buy.

Meanwhile, the vast majority instead buys Nvidia at a higher $/FPS price point regardless. I've said it before when AMD focused on 'the mid range' and left the high end behind... Nobody wants to bet on the losing team - even the AMD rep up here in this article doubly confirms it, if you want dev support you need substantial market share, luckily AMD has the consoles and 90% of PC gaming with any focus on strong graphics, is ports. You're either playing for the top position, or you're not playing, quite simply because the mid range is already a known factor. Basically by saying you focus on midrange, you're saying 'next gen, you will see more of the same shit you can already buy today, with minor tweaks'. Well wow, where can I sign up...

Prediction: AMD isn't going to sell jack shit with this strategy for RDNA4, Nvidia will simply undercut them with a better deal, they barely have to make an effort to do so.


Given the average UE5 performance relative to older titles I'd be inclined to agree. There's a strong requirement and demand in the market for faster GPUs. I'm sure there is some architectural low hanging fruit for RDNA wrt Nanite and all, but yeah, I'd expect 7900XTX performance equivalent and then some if they want to keep playing. If they stall on 7900XT performance... this whole stack is DOA. Those people already bought a 4070 (S) or 4060ti at that point, or even a 7800XT.

DudeBeFishingDoes this mean we'll get 2 slot GPUs instead of these 3+ slot monstrosities?

venturiNone of this commentary makes any market or financial sense. Wordsmithing "we can't compete" into some lofty ideal about market share. Build a competitive card and deprecate into various price points, but don't make it sound like a business model, just say "we can't compete on performance with nvidia"

Shame, because nVidia could use some REAL competition, but don't make some BS statement for sheeple and expect everybody to nod in approval and accolades.

Nvidia isn't any better. example - DLSS = "run at a lower resolution" so that the hype about ray tracing is overlooked when the best card we got can't push 30fps with path tracing at 4k. Then nvidia kills of multi-gpu because the only way to achieve 4k. 144fps, path tracing is with another card, and multi-gpu DX12 and Vulkan drivers are then also deprecated.

Sometimes its tiring to be manipulated. Just stop

AMD, just say "we can't compete with nvidia at a technology level" but don't BS it with some market share line.


geeez

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AusWolfI understand that the midrange is where most of the money is, and therefore, focusing there is a good idea, but how would releasing a high-end chip eat into it? Would it take the development time away from other projects?

Perhaps a bottom-up instead of top-down approach would be good. That is, instead of developing a big chip and cutting it up for lower tiers, maybe they could make a small and efficient midrange chip, and scale it up for high-end?

OnasiIt was a halo card like the 4090. It can cost whatever, price is irrelevant in that segment. The actual high end 8800 GTX was actually reasonably priced.

OnasiI like how you conveniently ignored my point about CPUs. Where are the 700 dollar i7/R7s? I don’t see them. Inflation isn’t supposed to be selective, right?

OnasiDefine “well”. From my understanding, the 4090 alone has sold more than the entire RDNA 3 product stack put together. AMD needs a massive win in the next generation or two to be an actual competitor. Console chips are a nice source of constant income, but it’s not enough and is very low-margin.

AusWolfLet's not forget that not everybody upgrades with every generation. With price-to-performance pretty much stagnating in the last 2-3 gens, it makes even less sense. Therefore, I don't think it would be reasonable to assume that RDNA 4 is targeted at RDNA 3 owners. More like RDNA 2 (6700 XT), or older.

z1n0xYou can hate on nGreedia all you want, but in the end of the day, they innovate, deliver top-notch products, marketing, supply and its rewarded with huge profits. And they keep moving full speed forward. Its not their fault AMD can't get their act together and keep up. Maybe, just maybe, AMD shouldn't have spent all those billions $ on share buybacks and pandering to Wall Street and instead used them to improve the company (Radeon Technologies Group, specifically) and its technology and products.

TheinsanegamerNWell enough that they were sold out. In the 6800xts case, sold out for well over a year, and for the 7900 series, sold out for several months with stock not remaining stable until a year after launch.

RedelZaVednoThis is extremely bad news for us enthusiasts. Without competition Ngreedia's prices will skyrocket. Prepare to pay at least $1499 for 5080 and $1999 for 5090:mad:

csendesmarkSomewhat understandable

According to the Steam hardware survey
You have to "go down" to the 16th place to see the first card which can be considered as a high-end.
This is not new, there are only a few exception - most of the money profit came on the mid to low tier cards.

AusWolfFinally, someone gets it! Thank you. :)

wolfThis is all the times you said Ngreedia, in just this thread, we get it.. but isn't it a thread about AMD? Can we stay on topic?

Hyderzif amd wants the market back to 50%
why not release a powerful gpu for the ps6 along side one for the pc segment and deliver great ray and path tracing
that way they maximize utilization of the wafers

GerKNGSounds reasonable to me.
Just because Jensen would love to sell a RTX 5090 Ti for 4000€ doesn't mean you have to play along. Considering the prices of GPUs nowadays... I welcome this decision.

john_Average user:


Average Tech channel/site


Well, the market gets what it wished for.
:peace:

Intel save us!!!!
:p:roll::p


Yes, I know, low quality post or trolling you will say. No. It's not.
It is just the reality of today's market. Users don't want to even consider a Radeon product, even when it is the best option for their budget and tech press is more aggressive towards AMD. AMD will look at the markets and target not only the one that gives them better margins, but also that market where buyers will acknowledge the advantages of it's products and will choose it over the competition. The market where buyers will buy based on their needs, not based on the sticker on the product. If AMD and more specifically the Radeon brand was receiving some love in the retail market and better AMD models at the same price range where outselling Nvidia models, AMD would have a reason to keep investing in gaming cards. Now they will limit their products in the market and they could be doing so, for as many generations they feel it is needed for consumers to stop drooling in front of an Nvidia logo. Many expect a repeat of the RDNA1 situation where AMD stayed only one generation without a high end model. Well, who can say that if people keep buying Nvidia hardware no matter what, RDNA5 will have an enthusiast model? And why should AMD build a high end model when people will keep finding excuses to buy the Nvidia sticker?

AusWolfLet's not forget that not everybody upgrades with every generation. With price-to-performance pretty much stagnating in the last 2-3 gens, it makes even less sense. Therefore, I don't think it would be reasonable to assume that RDNA 4 is targeted at RDNA 3 owners. More like RDNA 2 (6700 XT), or older.

RedelZaVednoThis is extremely bad news for us enthusiasts. Without competition Ngreedia's prices will skyrocket. Prepare to pay at least $1499 for 5080 and $1999 for 5090:mad:

evernessinceThey did it because they are allocating as many chips as possible to AI, they just can't come out and say that because it would piss everyone off.

venturiNone of this commentary makes any market or financial sense. Wordsmithing "we can't compete" into some lofty ideal about market share. Build a competitive card and deprecate into various price points, but don't make it sound like a business model, just say "we can't compete on performance with nvidia"

Shame, because nVidia could use some REAL competition, but don't make some BS statement for sheeple and expect everybody to nod in approval and accolades.

Nvidia isn't any better. example - DLSS = "run at a lower resolution" so that the hype about ray tracing is overlooked when the best card we got can't push 30fps with path tracing at 4k. Then nvidia kills of multi-gpu because the only way to achieve 4k. 144fps, path tracing is with another card, and multi-gpu DX12 and Vulkan drivers are then also deprecated.

Sometimes its tiring to be manipulated. Just stop

AMD, just say "we can't compete with nvidia at a technology level" but don't BS it with some market share line.


geeez

Vayra86Not exactly going to be earth shattering, its going to have to come from the improved featureset if anything then. And let's consider that. Even IF AMD gains perf/feature parity with RDNA4 on RT and FSR (probably too tall an order) and they release a 500 dollar GPU that performs like a 7900XT. If you had a 6800XT now, would you pay that?