Event HorizonI have met a duo of scalpers IRL. This was during the days of the RTX 30 series. They were very proud and openly bragging about how much money they'd made (not just scalping video cards). Note that they already had well-paying jobs. I guess these people see nothing wrong with destroying the market for fun.

Vayra86That never gets old does it :D

Avro ArrowApex Legends = 273FPS
COD: Warzone = 315FPS
CS:GO = 1025FPS
Fortnite = 453FPS
League of Legends = 1170FPS
Overwatch = 404FPS
PUBG = 259FPS
Rocket League = 646FPS

Avro ArrowThe scalpers are screwing themselves in this situation because, while the R7-9800X3D is an incredible product, it's still overkill for pretty much any gaming situation that I can think of. Like, it will take years before it would have a noticeable impact on gaming even when compared to the R7-5800X3D for over 90% of gamers. Here are the main categories of gamers that have little need for an R7-9800X3D:

Competitive gamers playing competitive multiplayer games:

These games are not the least bit hardware-intensive and already have insane performance numbers even with something as old as an R5-2600X. I used pc-builds.com's performance calculator and paired the 2600x with an XTX. Here are the results:

Apex Legends = 273FPS
COD: Warzone = 315FPS
CS:GO = 1025FPS
Fortnite = 453FPS
League of Legends = 1170FPS
Overwatch = 404FPS
PUBG = 259FPS
Rocket League = 646FPS

Even gamers with ultra-fast 240Hz displays would be unaffected by a CPU upgrade.


Mid-to-low-resolution gamers playing AAA single-player titles:

This is another huge category of gamers and, while this is certainly more CPU-intensive, most games still work just fine with an R5-3600X or better.


High-resolution gamers:

I am personally in this category and I use an R7-5800X3D coupled with an RX 7900 XTX. Upgrading my CPU (well, my whole platform TBH) would have absolutely no effect on gaming performance for me because at both 1440p and 2160p I'm limited by my XTX. The same would be true for ANYONE using a CPU no older than an Ryzen 3000-series.

Those three categories (either exclusively or any mix of the two) comprise way more than 90% of gamers on Earth.

Therefore, only fools with money to burn would be willing to pay scalper prices on an R7-9800X3D because literally ANYONE else would be perfectly comfortable waiting for more to be available. Scalpers will end up losing their shirts because of this and I for one will be more than happy to sit back and watch the Schitt's show unfold. Unlike during the mining crazes, scalpers have ZERO leverage here because, while there's no question that the R7-9800X3D is a marvellous processor, but it's not like there aren't 1,001 alternatives that would be just as good in modern games available on both the new and used market. I build and sell budget gaming PCs (console fighters) and so I've done a good amount of research surrounding this topic. For the vast majority of gamers (those who play with a 1080p60Hz monitor), a Ryzen 5 5600 coupled with an RX 5700 XT or RTX 2070 is pretty much all you need for a fantastic gaming experience at 1080p.

Hell, using Hardware Unboxed's performance optimisation settings, a PC with an R5-5600, RX 5700 XT and 32GB of DDR4-3600 CL18 can achieve 70FPS in Black myth: Wukong's downloadable benchmark. I have personally done this and have taken screenshots to keep as records. I do this because I'm not one to mislead my customers. Any claim about the performance of one of my PCs is backed up with images of every performance test result. I'm at my day job right now and don't have access to these images but if anyone wants to see it, I'll post it when I get home tonight (usually around 9:30pm EST). Also keep in mind that this game is totally limited by the RX 5700 XT because, just for fun, I ran the same benchmark with the same settings on my RX 6800 XT and RX 7900 XTX with massive FPS gains (IIRC, well over 100FPS).

If a lowly R5-5600 can do over 100FPS in Black Myth: Wukong, there's nobody who is in dire need of an R7-9800X3D, or at least, not dire enough to be willing to pay scalper-level pricing for it. The only people who would buy this from scalpers are probably the same people who had no problem paying $2300USD for an RTX 4090 (aka "More money than brains").

These scalpers are even more screwed than those who tried to scalp the RTX 4080 and I'm loving it! :roll:



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"or even go Intel with the i9-14900K."

Who says that Mods and Admins don't have a sense of humour? ;)

(For some reason, the system wouldn't let me actually quote the original post.)

AGREED!

And it would take literally years before the gaming performance difference made ANY difference to anyone's gaming experience.

Well, they are getting pretty desperate and I wouldn't put it past them. Having said that, I really doubt it because they'd literally be handing over a tonne of $$$ to AMD.

Why?

The 5800X3D is easily enough for any game on the market today and the 7800X3D is just straight overkill for any game on the market so just what advantage would you be paying that extra money for?

mb194dcPersonally don't think it's a very exciting product, for the money most use cases better off different CPU and spending the money saved on other components. Just looking, you can get 7950x for the same price and it's basically identical in gaming resolutions anyone will use and much faster at most application workloads.

Hecate91IMO the 7800X3D is the better buy if you can get one at a decent price, not that much slower than the 9800X3D with lower power consumption.
Although I don't know how anyone can seriously recommend buying raptor lake, especially 14th gen.

phanbueywell i broke down and grabbed one... this is noticeably faster than the intel on 24H2



Fast and painless build took about an hour - grabbed a used MSI B650 pro wifi - did a mobo swap. Windows key reactivation and rewiring the rgb was probably the most painful parts. Blind bios flash worked without any faffing either, which was pleasantly surprising.

phanbueywell i broke down and grabbed one... this is noticeably faster than the intel on 24H2



Fast and painless build took about an hour - grabbed a used MSI B650 pro wifi - did a mobo swap. Windows key reactivation and rewiring the rgb was probably the most painful parts. Blind bios flash worked without any faffing either, which was pleasantly surprising.

fevgatosYeap, Intel - in some games - is performing like ass in 24h2. I did some testing 22h2 vs 24h2 on 12900k to keep track of if / how much faster the 9800x 3d will be next week, and boy oh boy, in some games performance plummets like a rock. Im even thinking about going back to win 10, lol.

scottslayerI think I will wait for the next one

TechBuyingHavocFor anyone interested, the average FPS improvement of these 45 games is 7.89% (rounded to the nearest hundredth).

phanbueyyah i lost on average 15% in games in 24h2 it was crazy. almost enough to whip out the foil hat.

MetroidAs soon as 9800x3d is plenty then the 7800x3d will be going as low as 300 usd again and I believe this will happen in January.

john_AMD introduced the 7600X3D at $300, so for the 7800X3D to go down to $300, it will also need the 7600X3D to go down to $200. Considering we do have X3D models at $200, it doesn't matter much they are for the AM4 platform, this could happen. But I think it's more probable to see 7000 series getting slowly faced out and replaced by 9000 series, than having both series in the market. Then again on AM4 we have 3000, 4000 and 5000 series still selling so.... who knows......

MetroidThe 7600x3d is a defective 7800x3d. So as soon as the 7600x3d is sold out then only the 7800x3d will be available.

FoulOnWhite7.8% yawn