Broken Processorwho will be buying a overclocking skew of a card

Higher clocks come as a byproduct. Main reasons are aesthetics, thermals, and acoustics.

Broken ProcessorWho cares when 5080 is around the corner.

Sorry but it smells like that!

Broken ProcessorWho cares when 5080 is around the corner.

Price to performance is key.

Broken ProcessorWho cares when 5080 is around the corner.

why would you care about the 5080 when you know the 5090 is just better in every way by design, including value.

Broken ProcessorAnd it's a pretty stupid assumption that the RX9070 will compete with a 5080. Nah it won't.

That's why you should have never brought up the 5080 in the first place. ;)

AusWolfI'm not really a Powercolor guy. I'm not really into "gamery" stuff anyway. I'll just wait for the Sapphire Pulse and the made-by-AMD version.

- Ironically Powercolor's own "Fighter" line of cards tend to be pretty compact with very clean aesthetics.

Hopefully we get a 10" 2 fan "fighter" 9070XT for the more compact and subdued setups.

gridracedriver5080 tie 4090 in performance and will be priced at around $1300/1400, with a maximum +50% performance gain from the 9070xt.

That's about as doubtful as 9070XT matching 4080S performance (RT or not).
5080 will be a 256bit 84SM card against a 384bit 128SM card and will have less of everything - including memory bandwidth (despite using the fastest initial G7).
Anyone who thinks 5080 will tie 4090 performance is delusional. It will be +10-15% vs 4080S and that's about it. The gap between 4080S and 4090 is 24%.
Not to mention why would Nvidia give away 4090 performance for cheaper when there's not competition to 4090 from others?

gridracedriverWhy would AMD price its card less than $650/700?

Because then there would be zero incentive to buy it. I can buy 7900XT today for 700 with 4GB more VRAM and likely more performance (at least in raster) since i doubt 9070XT will even tie 7900XT.

AusWolfTo me personally, 7900 XT performance is fine, so if I get that, with MUCH better idle / video playback efficiency, and MAYBE a tad more RT for 550, it'll be a winner.

Same here. I would be coming from 2080Ti so even 7900 GRE perf (like leaks have suggested) would be a 51% performance bump. 79% in case of 7900XT.
Plus 5GB extra VRAM, lower power consumption, AV1 support, PCIe 5.0 interface (tho im on a 4.0 system and it wont matter anyway) and modern ports with DP 2.1 (hopefully UHBR20 this time instead of 13.5). Not to mention native ReBAR support. Something Nvidia refused to add to their 20 series cards despite AMD doing it for their 5000 series cards retroactively. And yet all the comments talk about great Nvidia driver support. And only now has Nvidia managed to release a modern, unified GUI with no login requirement.
Too late.

As Nvidia user im not feeling it. They refused to give me ReBAR that would have given me extra perf, they refused to give me DLSS FG that AMD proved with FSR 3.0 can work on 20 series very well (especially in combination with Reflex). Nvidia's own native implementation would be even better.
Plus they implemented a bad connector in their cards that i refuse to trust (well maybe, after 10x revisions).
The prices are just a final insult on top of everything else.

That is why im going AMD for my next card.

KritIf RX 9070 XT can match at least RX 7900 XTX than maybe yes otherwise who will buy it ? Smaller cheaper die also GDDR6 it only makes sense. nvidia already owns more than 90% of gpu market share.

That will never happen. 256bit 64CU card vs 384bit 96CU. Not to mention the gulf in memory bandwidth as 9070XT wont be using G7 to help it bridge the gap like 5080 is doing with 4090.

People please. Stop with these wishful comparisons. You're just setting yourselves up for disappointment.
TPU's GPU database is available on this very site. Look at the specs and make realistic comparisons.

Yes of course clock speeds will increase a little, TDP will rise and likely there are SM/CU IPC improvements but realistically within the same 4nm/5nm process dont expect miracles. And if im wrong i will gladly eat my words. But i doubt im wrong.

TomorrowThat will never happen. 256bit 64CU card vs 384bit 96CU. Not to mention the gulf in memory bandwidth as 9070XT wont be using G7 to help it bridge the gap like 5080 is doing with 4090.

I know it, it was just high price answer to gridracedriver 9070 XT does not make any sense if it performs like a RX 7900 XT (650€) and costs more than that!

eidairaman1That is where Red Dragon/Hellhound Come in

True that, and the funny thing is that Hellhound GRE / 7800XT series had better cooling than Sapphire Nitro+ models.

Broken ProcessorOk who will be buying a overclocking skew of a card that's barely going to touch RTX 5xxx upper midrange. This is just a waste of money buy stock version if you must and at least maybe not get as ripped off.

Macro DeviceHigher clocks come as a byproduct. Main reasons are aesthetics, thermals, and acoustics.

That's what I said stop sniping to change context.

BlaezaLitePrice to performance is key.

Exactly but the performance has yet to be seen. I doubt there will be any unless the card is sub 450.00 which there isn't a chance in hell it will.

AusWolfThat's why you should have never brought up the 5080 in the first place. ;)

Can you read? No, ok move along.

This is really worrisome. So oversized cooler for a so slow mid-range graphics card? What are the people at Powercolor smoking? :kookoo: :banghead:

BlaezaLiteThe more gaudy and in your face the better. What a mad world we live in where people like different things. Or just want the best.

Oh I enjoy the performance and behaviors of Red Devil cards (like my 580) but 5000 was clearly the last stop before water cooling.
Seeing the 6000/7000 (and 9000?) series cards, yeah no I'm done. Can't stay Red Devil. Either they fit or they don't and these don't fit anymore.
The coolers are overbuilt and that's great on single card systems but I run more than just a GPU and there are fitment issues on bigger cards.
My case is a 20 year old antique and it's NOT the problem. If I ever switch up to a vertical mount, mATX boards will follow up in transformation.

Imagine a timeline where peripheral loadouts are M.2 -> X16 -> X8 -> M.2 and there's like NO space between them. How does it work?
The only way is having a vertically mounted GPU over riser cables then slotting the rest. That's gonna be the main change. That's our future.
There are already mini cases that reflect that idea. Now we just need the boards to appear.

I like the design. I especially like the Devil logo spread over the grille, looks similar to the Ada ROG cards. Not bad, not bad at all.

Can't make nothing out of those images, slow news day is it TPU? gotta have that click bait eh?

LauncestonianCan't make nothing out of those images, slow news day is it TPU? gotta have that click bait eh?

CES starts Tuesday, so companies are drip marketing rn

AusWolfThat's why you should have never brought up the 5080 in the first place. ;)

The name explains it all

lukartTrue that, and the funny thing is that Hellhound GRE / 7800XT series had better cooling than Sapphire Nitro+ models.

Im not sure because I havent upgraded in some time

If it's not faster than the 7900 XTX in raster, I'm not buying just to get an uplift in ray tracing.

RavenasIf it's not faster than the 7900 XTX in raster, I'm not buying just to get an uplift in ray tracing.

AMD is not targeting 7900 XTX buyers with this product. They're targeting people who want more affordable and power efficient hardware. It's the Polaris recipe.

RavenasIf it's not faster than the 7900 XTX in raster, I'm not buying just to get an uplift in ray tracing.

It' not faster in either of those. Just looking at the specs should make this abundantly clear to anyone.

TomorrowIt' not faster in either of those. Just looking at the specs should make this abundantly clear to anyone.

If the purported 20% uplift in RT performance is true, then it will perform like the 4080 there. Raster between 7900 GRE and 7900 XT would slot it in at around the same level of the RTX 4070 Ti Super. Reviews very very soon, so hoping to be pleasantly surprised. I'm not buying into any hype, though.

I loved the Vega 56/64 variants. Had a lot of faulty splitters that bricked those but were a 2 min repair. Made my days during Covid19 and Crypto Meltdown. Best profit margin I ever achieved for a piece of PCB

I like the look. I'm also running a RX 6950 XT Red Devil so I'm biased, but I'm (probably) not going to bother upgrading my PC's internal hardware this year.

Lost_WandererI like the look. I'm also running a RX 6950 XT Red Devil so I'm biased, but I'm (probably) not going to bother upgrading my PC's internal hardware this year.

All things considered, the Devils are one of the sexiest cards with AMD guts made - might grab one of those actually.

Dr. DroIf the purported 20% uplift in RT performance is true, then it will perform like the 4080 there. Raster between 7900 GRE and 7900 XT would slot it in at around the same level of the RTX 4070 Ti Super. Reviews very very soon, so hoping to be pleasantly surprised. I'm not buying into any hype, though.

I would say no..

gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4070-TS-Ti-Super-vs-AMD-RX-7900-XT/4155vs4141

gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4080-S-Super-vs-AMD-RX-7900-XTX/4156vs4142

The AMD 9070XT 330w is slower and using more TDP Power Watts than the two years old RTX 4080 320w but at a lower price point.

Glad I bought my MSI RTX 4080 Super 16G SUPRIM X... come and get me Red Devil

Cheers

ToxicTaZI would say no..

gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4070-TS-Ti-Super-vs-AMD-RX-7900-XT/4155vs4141

gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4080-S-Super-vs-AMD-RX-7900-XTX/4156vs4142

The AMD 9070XT 330w is slower and using more TDP Power Watts than the two years old RTX 4080 320w but at a lower price point.

Glad I bought my MSI RTX 4080 Super 16G SUPRIM X... come and get me Red Devil

Cheers

Userbenchmark? For an unreleased product? You know that's fake, right? :confused: