AusWolfIt looks big and heavy. Being on micro-ATX, I'm much more interested in more compact versions, like a Sapphire Pulse, or the made-by-AMD version. I hope they'll be a tad thinner.

Here you go!

AusWolfEverything qualifies as a Red Devil if you slap an oversized cooler on it with red accents and put it into a red box. It's the magic of marketing. ;)

Exactly! It's the same no-name TUL with might be HIS/TUL standard PCB and layout across entire TUL stack. Nothing new. Sapphire came not really further as well.

AusWolfDefinitely. Everybody is aiming for the biggest and baddest monster of a card. Manufacturers would be stupid not to cater. And here I am, hoping for a solid, dual-slot little feather that will fit into my m-ATX case. :rolleyes:

I'm not into mATX. But I'm eagerly looking forward to some really nice dual-slot solution, that will leave the rest of PCIE slots unrestricted.

AusWolfI'm not really a Powercolor guy. I'm not really into "gamery" stuff anyway. I'll just wait for the Sapphire Pulse and the made-by-AMD version.

I'm afraid you gotta get ready for Sapphire premium tax. Long gone the times of "affordable" AMD/ATi partner, that is more robust and reliable, than AIB ones. And, I'm also afraid, that Pulse is kinda garbage, cooling wise.

mb194dcSeems like will perform like cards from 2 years ago and be very inferior to 7900xt, which is already discounted to 600 or so.

Only thing that probably can save this launch, is if the cards are much cheaper...

They are discounted in US. And the availability is mostly US/NA related stuff only, either.
What everyone needs, is new reliable stuff, with comparable performance, and superior efficiency, for afgordable prices. If you think $600 is affordable, then, sorry, you have swallen the nVidia marketing pill. They feed everyone this BS, that this is more expensive, that scarity this, inflation that. But the margins are through the roof, and the market cap is almost $3B.
No offence, or anything personal.

BlaezaLiteThe more gaudy and in your face the better. What a mad world we live in where people like different things. Or just want the best.

It seems you have somehow missed the early 2000 times, with eye-sore atrocious plastic garbage from Coolermaster, Thermaltake and Codegen.

Broken ProcessorOk who will be buying a overclocking skew of a card that's barely going to touch RTX 5xxx upper midrange. This is just a waste of money buy stock version if you must and at least maybe not get as ripped off.


2 grand you have pricing information we don't? And it's a pretty stupid assumption that the RX9070 will compete with a 5080. Nah it won't.

Two grand is pretty obvious assumption, based on nVidia's last six years old price making tendency.

BlaezaLitePrice to performance is key.

Indeed. This is something nVidia savage camp has been missing, for many years. Especially last five dire ones.

KritI know it, it was just high price answer to gridracedriver 9070 XT does not make any sense if it performs like a RX 7900 XT (650€) and costs more than that!

Yep. It either cost significantly less, or this time nobody gonna believe the AMD fairy tales.

lukartTrue that, and the funny thing is that Hellhound GRE / 7800XT series had better cooling than Sapphire Nitro+ models.

The problem was not in the cooling, but rushed lack of QA, particularly not-tightened enough screws. And the lack, of data, for which torque/pressure should customers apply to remove the issue themselves.

Dr. DroIf the purported 20% uplift in RT performance is true, then it will perform like the 4080 there. Raster between 7900 GRE and 7900 XT would slot it in at around the same level of the RTX 4070 Ti Super. Reviews very very soon, so hoping to be pleasantly surprised. I'm not buying into any hype, though.

Wise thought.
7900GRE/4070TiS, is seems very capable for 1440p and everything below. Don't think the majority of planet inhabitants are targeting above this resolution. Heck, they mostly use 1080p max. So if AMD is going to satisfy this audience, they must price and name their SKU accordingly. Gonna see soon, how it ends up.

TumbleGeorgeThis GPU will have ~1.4mm² chip area if we using same "5" nm node like in a RX 7000 series.

And giant tripple slot choncker, full of RGB bloat.

Random_UserHere you go!

YES, please! I want it, I want it NOW! o_O

Random_UserI'm afraid you gotta get ready for Sapphire premium tax. Long gone the times of "affordable" AMD/ATi partner, that is more robust and reliable, than AIB ones. And, I'm also afraid, that Pulse is kinda garbage, cooling wise.

I briefly had a Pulse 7800 XT which was a brilliant card. Cool, quiet, and with a little bit of headroom for power tuning. I have high hopes of the 9070 XT Pulse as well. :)

Random_User7900GRE/4070TiS, is seems very capable for 1440p and everything below. Don't think the majority of planet inhabitants are targeting above this resolution. Heck, they mostly use 1080p max. So if AMD is going to satisfy this audience, they must price and name their SKU accordingly. Gonna see soon, how it ends up.

I agree.

Tomorrow7800XT actually increased the die size, TDP and price vs 6700XT.

It is actually cheaper than the 6700 XT.

11 additional sqmm isn't a convincing enough difference. Technically bigger but not significantly. Just 3.5%.

33 W is of course more than a margin of error but still, more than 50 additional percent of speed is good all things considered. Much better than what you're trying to sell here.

TomorrowBut these examples do not disprove my assertion that 40% or greater is rare and 15% is more like average.

Literally all RDNA3 GPUs have at least 40 percent more edge than similarly priced and wattaged predecessors (7600 series isn't true RDNA3).
The whole Ada line-up is leagues more efficient than Ampere. Yes, most models are too expensive but 4070S, for example, is a fair 33% improvement over a 17% more expensive 3070 Ti which is... 55% perf per $ increase.


Things aren't perfect but they aren't as bad as you say they are.

Macro DeviceThings aren't perfect but they aren't as bad as you say they are.

The whole of Europe is in an economy recession since 2018. I see only inflation, unemployment and decreasing wages.
So, how exactly are the things not bad ?

3valatzyThe whole of Europe is in an economy recession since 2018. I see only inflation, unemployment and decreasing wages.
So, how exactly are the things not bad ?

Ok, but that's a statement on the bureaucratic EU, not on nvidia or AMD.

It's not AMD/nvidia's fault that the EU stifles business with rampant bureaucracy and relies so hard on foreign interests to the point of driving away what industry they have left, or that VAT and being a smaller market results in you paying way more for hardware, or that European wages in most of the EU make poor US states like Mississippi or west Virginia look like the mecca of economic progress.

Over on this side of the atlantic, things are not that bad. Sure, our wages have not kept up with inflation, but when 80% of your people are obese and everyone is driving a tank on wheels, even the poor are doing pretty well for themselves. Compared to previous generations, the deals are not as good, but at the same time they're in line with what we would have expected had the Great Financial Crisis not collectively beat the snot out of us for 4 years.

Chrispy_Does anyone else find the demonic, occult theming of Powercolor irritating and childish?
Red Devil, Hellhound, Spectral etc.

Not really. There's always been a market for darker styling. Is it really any different then the "XTREME BFG XXX EDITION" cards of 20 years ago?

IMO "powercolor RED DEVIL" sounds a lot cooler then "powercolor radeon 8800 version 4".

Chrispy_Give me minimalist, function-first styling any day of the week.

There's also a place for minimalist designs and I'm sure there will be at least a few of them. Granted, all these GPUs have very functional coolers.

TheinsanegamerNOk, but that's a statement on the bureaucratic EU, not on nvidia or AMD.

It's not AMD/nvidia's fault that the EU stifles business with rampant bureaucracy and relies so hard on foreign interests to the point of driving away what industry they have left, or that VAT and being a smaller market results in you paying way more for hardware, or that European wages in most of the EU make poor US states like Mississippi or west Virginia look like the mecca of economic progress.

The EU is nothing but occupied by US military forces, it's in fact a US colony, and the EU politicians are Washington's string dolls.
The EU is not independent.
If AMD and Nvidia have influence on the US policy in Europe, then they are a reason for the economic downturn of the EU.

TheinsanegamerNOver on this side of the atlantic, things are not that bad. Sure, our wages have not kept up with inflation, but when 80% of your people are obese and everyone is driving a tank on wheels, even the poor are doing pretty well for themselves. Compared to previous generations, the deals are not as good, but at the same time they're in line with what we would have expected had the Great Financial Crisis not collectively beat the snot out of us for 4 years.

Obese people is a phenomenon, but not because they are very wealthy. But because they consume unhealthy fatty foods.

wNotyarDWe all miss Ruby

I quite liked the evergreen era Ruby



but my favorite was the Zotac fermi era designs

Man LOOK at that fermi design



That was peak design.

BlaezaLiteWhat is that thing? Seriously?

Looks like a....I'm guessing a gigabyte 550ti with an Intel cooler on it.

3valatzyThe EU is nothing but occupied by US military forces, it's in fact a US colony, and the EU politicians are Washington's string dolls.
The EU is not independent.
If AMD and Nvidia have influence on the US policy in Europe, then they are a reason for the economic downturn of the EU.

Uhhhh.....ROFL. Ok then. That's a new one. Nvidia and AMD have influence on US policy that controls the EU.

3valatzyObese people is a phenomenon, but not because they are very wealthy. But because they consume unhealthy fatty foods.

Nope. Consume 1500 kcal of mcdonalds a day for 30 years, you'll probably have some issues, but being obese will not be one of them. To become a ham planet American style, you MUST be consuming far more calories then you are burning. It's easier with unhealthy food, but its still a calorie issue, hence why countries like Australia, China, Chile, Argentina, ece all have rising obesity rates despite having very different diets and cultures. An ACTUAL poor country, like Venezuela, shows what happens when the poor cant afford food, their collective BMI was dropping 1-2 points per quarter.

Fatty foods, IRL, are actually better about helping you control weight, since they are more satiating and burning fat takes significantly more energy then sugar. That's why the atkins diet works. When we started substituting sugar for fat in most of our food products int he late 80s, is when the obesity rates started spiraling out of control.

Macro Device
It is actually cheaper than the 6700 XT.

11 additional sqmm isn't a convincing enough difference. Technically bigger but not significantly. Just 3.5%.

33 W is of course more than a margin of error but still, more than 50 additional percent of speed is good all things considered. Much better than what you're trying to sell here.

Literally all RDNA3 GPUs have at least 40 percent more edge than similarly priced and wattaged predecessors (7600 series isn't true RDNA3).
The whole Ada line-up is leagues more efficient than Ampere. Yes, most models are too expensive but 4070S, for example, is a fair 33% improvement over a 17% more expensive 3070 Ti which is... 55% perf per $ increase.


Things aren't perfect but they aren't as bad as you say they are.

Hmm rDNA 3 has GDC and MCD parts. GDC in 7800XT is ~200mm². I don't know how this is reflected in the cost of production.

TheinsanegamerNOk, but that's a statement on the bureaucratic EU, not on nvidia or AMD.

It's not AMD/nvidia's fault that the EU stifles business with rampant bureaucracy and relies so hard on foreign interests to the point of driving away what industry they have left, or that VAT and being a smaller market results in you paying way more for hardware, or that European wages in most of the EU make poor US states like Mississippi or west Virginia look like the mecca of economic progress.

Over on this side of the atlantic, things are not that bad. Sure, our wages have not kept up with inflation, but when 80% of your people are obese and everyone is driving a tank on wheels, even the poor are doing pretty well for themselves. Compared to previous generations, the deals are not as good, but at the same time they're in line with what we would have expected had the Great Financial Crisis not collectively beat the snot out of us for 4 years.

I think the situation is bad for those who lived up to their means before the economic crisis and expect to do so even now. But let me not steer further off topic. :ohwell:

TumbleGeorgeHmm rDNA 3 has GDC and MCD parts. GDC in 7800XT is ~200mm². I don't know how this is reflected in the cost of production.

It isn't reflected in the overall die size.


Not an expert but I guess this should be less expensive than the traditional method because of the lesser factory defect rates.

3valatzyThe whole of Europe is in an economy recession since 2018. I see only inflation, unemployment and decreasing wages.
So, how exactly are the things not bad ?

This is not relevant. I'm talking GPU progress, not politics. Wanna discuss politics with me, hit my DM.

Macro DeviceNot an expert but I guess this should be less expensive than the traditional method because of the lesser factory defect rates.

Sure, but there's also the development cost, and the cost of the interposer and assembly, which kind of negate the advantage of smaller chiplets, imo. Just look at AMD CPU prices as an example.

AusWolfJust look at AMD CPU prices as an example.

AMD are NVIDIA when it comes down to CPUs. Not surprised their CPUs are avidly taxed. Ryzen 1000 series weren't less complex, yet AMD had had a lot of profit off them despite much lower street prices.

Macro DeviceAMD are NVIDIA when it comes down to CPUs. Not surprised their CPUs are avidly taxed. Ryzen 1000 series weren't less complex, yet AMD had had a lot of profit off them despite much lower street prices.

Yep. That proves the earlier point that someone made (or was it in another thread?) - prices are set by what people are willing to pay, and not by the actual use value of the product.

Let us wrap it up before the mods cook us for this off-topic.

If AMD come with good prices, I'll get a Red Devil, but not this one.

Well, I've just seen all the AIB's cards and this one looks understated compared to the other 10 models, lol.

BlaezaLiteWell, I've just seen all the AIB's cards

Where?

@BlaezaLite
I mean… comparatively?

Onasi@BlaezaLite
I mean… comparatively?

Oh God, my eyes are burning...

Someday we're gonna be able to print our own backs for waifu cards because it's obvious these companies can't get it right.

@AusWolf
You say that, but all Power Color should do is replace the “muh Satanic red” theme with some anime girls, at least for a special edition of some sort, and I can already see sales generating themselves. Hell, go for broke, make a MiHoYo collab, they seem to be down for anything these days, and they can even sell @Dr. Dro one.