Tuesday, January 21st 2025
Kingpin Skipping GeForce RTX 50 Generation, Cites "Impossible" Logistics
Vince "Kingpin" Lucido's latest "Let's Talk" video blog has revealed difficult circumstances—affecting the development of a new-generation "KP Card." The extreme overclocker has announced a planned move back to North America (prioritizing his family) around mid-2025—he has lived in Taiwan for fifteen years—along with a sad project cancellation. Kingpin stated that: "there's no 'my card' this generation. It can't come for Gen 5. It's impossible. There are just too many issues over here, and it would create a lot of problems if I jumped on board so quickly." Mid-last year, Kingpin partnered with PNY—this collaboration reached a "wishlist" phase following tests performed in 3D Mark, according to today's VLOG.
Timing is cited as a major factor in his decision-making—he did not want to sign a Taiwanese vendor's contract and commit significant man-hours during a trying life period. He reckons that he has options further down the line—potentially with US-based companies. His next Kingpin card design (skipping a generation) could be something "unbelievable" and he hinted about it being a surprise. On this subject he stated: "I can't really say much about that. Well, because it has to do with my previous contractual stuff. I love graphics cards. I love making graphics cards, and for sure, I don't think that's going to die. But I think we'll have to wait-still have to wait for another generation. And who knows? Maybe it won't be Team Green; maybe it'll be another color."
Skip to the 2-minute 11-second mark for "New Card Talk."
Kingpin's description states: "in this video, I give a final update on the possibility of a KINGPIN Graphics Card for this new generation of 5 series NVIDIA cards. I also talk about new CA regional availability of my KPx High Performance Thermal Grease and the future of this channel."
Sources:
All About KINGPIN YouTube Channel, VideoCardz
Timing is cited as a major factor in his decision-making—he did not want to sign a Taiwanese vendor's contract and commit significant man-hours during a trying life period. He reckons that he has options further down the line—potentially with US-based companies. His next Kingpin card design (skipping a generation) could be something "unbelievable" and he hinted about it being a surprise. On this subject he stated: "I can't really say much about that. Well, because it has to do with my previous contractual stuff. I love graphics cards. I love making graphics cards, and for sure, I don't think that's going to die. But I think we'll have to wait-still have to wait for another generation. And who knows? Maybe it won't be Team Green; maybe it'll be another color."
Kingpin's description states: "in this video, I give a final update on the possibility of a KINGPIN Graphics Card for this new generation of 5 series NVIDIA cards. I also talk about new CA regional availability of my KPx High Performance Thermal Grease and the future of this channel."
53 Comments on Kingpin Skipping GeForce RTX 50 Generation, Cites "Impossible" Logistics
(X)OC is dead, unless you can make NV to release higher TDP vBIOS for specific card.
If you lack NV "say" - they may simply not allow it (or wall it with "some additional requirements needs to be done..." for you to get it).
^Speculation warning.
Also all models below will be closer to 20-30% faster vs their RTX 40s counterparts when looking at the official benchmarks from Nvidia.
Blackwell is a new architecture but we can see that CUDA Cores IPC is not getting much better anymore with every new generation, so the only way to get more performance is to increase the number of CUDA Cores & Core Frequencies too, but both increase the Wattage, Voltage and Heat too... RTX 40s and RTX 50s being on a pretty similar node we couldn't expect much! If anything GDDR7 and the 512-bit bus are the big changes here, and ~33% more CUDA Cores.
But the 4090 had ~52% more CUDA Cores and ~35% Higher Core Clocks than the 3090 Ti ! And also a lot more L2 Cache (72MB vs 6MB) to make up for the lack of Memory Bandwidth.
From the 3090ti to the 4090 was at most a 48% jump. The RTX 5000 series may not be as big a jump, but it'll be within a reasonably close margin. It will NOT be 2x the performance.
AMD better make it badass in the first place though. Many maybes
We haven't had a full AD102 die (4090 Ti) but it could have done 2x in Raster imo. Also we probably won't have a full GB202 either since Nvidia are all about selling full die for AI chips only...
Also if you read my post again the 4090 is a cut-down of AD102, a full AD102 could have been 15% faster and much closer to 2x, we just never had one.
Meanwhile the 4090 increased by $100 over 3090 and had ~55% more performance.
RTX 40s are becoming harder to get (mostly 4090s) so I don't see the 5090, 5080 prices going down anytime soon. 5070 and 5070 Ti could maybe drop if the 9070 XT is between the 2 in performance but the price is the same as the 5070 or even cheaper! Imo if the 9070 XT was like a 4080 SUPER for $500 or less it would definitely sell really well.