Tuesday, February 25th 2025

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Cards Spotted with Missing ROPs, NVIDIA Confirms the Issue, Multiple Vendors Affected

TechPowerUp has discovered that there are NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 graphics cards in retail circulation that come with too few render units, which lowers performance. Zotac's GeForce RTX 5090 Solid comes with fewer ROPs than it should—168 are enabled, instead of the 176 that are part of the RTX 5090 specifications. This loss of 8 ROPs has a small, but noticeable impact on performance. During recent testing, we noticed our Zotac RTX 5090 Solid sample underperformed slightly, falling behind even the NVIDIA RTX 5090 Founders Edition card. At the time we didn't pay attention to the ROP count that TechPowerUp GPU-Z was reporting, and instead spent time looking for other reasons, like clocks, power, cooling, etc.

Two days ago, one of our readers who goes by "Wuxi Gamer," posted this thread on the TechPowerUp Forums, reporting that his retail Zotac RTX 5090 Solid was showing fewer ROPs in GPU-Z than the RTX 5090 should have. The user tried everything from driver to software re-installs, to switching between the two video BIOSes the card comes with, all to no avail. What a coincidence that we had this card in our labs already, so we then dug out our sample. Lo and behold—our sample is missing ROPs, too! GPU-Z is able to read and report these units counts, in this case through NVIDIA's NVAPI driver interface. The 8 missing ROPs constitute a 4.54% loss in the GPU's raster hardware capability, and to illustrate what this means for performance, we've run a couple of tests.

In the first test, "Elden Ring" at 4K UHD with maxed out settings and native resolution (no DLSS), you can see how the Zotac RTX 5090 Solid falls behind every other RTX 5090 we tested, including the NVIDIA Founders Edition, a de facto reference-design that establishes a performance baseline for the RTX 5090. The Zotac card is 5.6% slower than the FE, and 8.4% slower than the ASUS ROG Astral RTX 5090 OC, the fastest custom design card for this test. Officially, the Solid is clocked at 2407 MHz rated boost frequency, which matches the Founders Edition clocks—it shouldn't be significantly slower in real-life. The interesting thing is that the loss of performance is not visible when monitoring the clock frequencies, because they are as high as expected—there's just fewer units available to take care of the rendering workload.

A ROP (Raster Operations Pipeline) unit in the GPU processes pixel data, handling tasks like blending, antialiasing, render-to-texture, and writing final pixel values to the frame buffer. In contrast, a shading unit, aka "GPU core" is responsible for computing the color, lighting, and material properties of pixels or vertices during the rendering process, without directly interacting with the frame buffer, so the performance hit of the eight missing ROPs depends on how ROP-intensive a game is.
For example, in Starfield, the performance loss is much smaller, and in DOOM Eternal with ray tracing, the card actually ends up close to its expected performance levels.

We've also put the card through a quick 3DMark Time Spy Extreme graphics score run.
  • NVIDIA Founders Edition: 25439
  • Zotac Solid: 22621
  • Gigabyte Gaming OC: 26220
This should be a number that you can test easily for yourself, if you're one of the lucky RTX 5090 owners. The quickest way is definitely to just fire up GPU-Z and look at the ROP count number, it should be "176."

So far, we know only of Zotac 5090 Solid cards that are affected, none of our review samples from ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, Palit, and NVIDIA exhibit this issue, all 5090 owners should definitely check their cards and report back.

This is an issue with quality assurance at both NVIDIA and Zotac. NVIDIA's add-in card partners (AICs) do not have the ability to configure ROP counts, either physically on the silicon, or in the video BIOS, and yet the GPU, its video BIOS, and the final product, cleared QA testing at both NVIDIA and Zotac.

We are working with Zotac to return the affected card, so they can forward it to NVIDIA for investigation. At this time Zotac was unable to provide a statement, citing the fluidity of the situation. As for possible fixes. We hope the issue is localized to a bug with the driver or the video BIOS, so NVIDIA could release a user-friendly BIOS update tool that can run from within Windows and update the BIOS of the affected cards. If, however, the ROPs were disabled at the hardware-level, then there's little that end-users or even AIC partners can do, except initiating a limited product recall for replacements or refunds. If the ROPs really are disabled through fuses, it seems unlikely that NVIDIA has a way to re-enable those units in the field, because that would potentially provide details to how such units can be reactivated on other cards and SKUs from the company.

Update 14:22 UTC:
Apparently the issue isn't specific to Zotac, HXL posted a screenshot of an MSI RTX 5090D, the China-specific variant of the RTX 5090 with nerfed compute performance, but which is supposed to have 176 ROPs. Much like the Zotac RTX 5090 Solid, it has 8 missing ROPs.

Update 16:38 UTC:
Another card has been found, this time from Manli.

Update 17:30 UTC:
ComputerBase reports that their Zotac RTX 5090 Solid sample is not affected and shows the correct ROP count of 176. This confirms that the issue isn't affecting all cards of this SKU and probably not even all cards in a batch/production run.

Update 17:36 UTC:
Just to clarify, because it has been asked a couple of times. When no driver is installed, GPU-Z will use an internal database as fallback, to show a hardcoded ROP count of 176, instead of "Unknown." This is a reasonable approximation, because all previous cards had a fixed, immutable ROP count. As soon as the driver is installed, GPU-Z will report the "live" ROP counts active on the GPU—this data is read via the NVIDIA drivers.

Update 19:18 UTC:
A card from Gigabyte is affected, too.

Update Feb 22nd, 6:00 UTC:
Palit, Inno3D and MSI found to be affected as well

Update Feb 22nd, 6:30 UTC:
NVIDIA's global PR director Ben Berraondo confirmed this issue. He told The Verge:
NVIDIAWe have identified a rare issue affecting less than 0.5% (half a percent) of GeForce RTX 5090 / 5090D and 5070 Ti GPUs which have one fewer ROP than specified. The average graphical performance impact is 4%, with no impact on AI and Compute workloads. Affected consumers can contact the board manufacturer for a replacement. The production anomaly has been corrected.
Very interesting—NVIDIA confirms that RTX 5070 Ti is affected, too.

While NVIDIA talks about "one ROP unit," this really means "8 ROPs" in our context. Many years ago, marketing decided that higher numbers = better, so they started to report the number of pixels that can be processed per unit, instead of the actual unit counts. So in this case, one hardware unit is disabled, which mean eight pixels per clock less can be processed, resulting in a loss of "8 ROPs".

Update Feb 25th:
In the meantime, some RTX 5080 GPUs with missing ROPs were found, too, NVIDIA provided the following statement to TechPowerUp:
NVIDIAUpon further investigation, we've identified that an early production build of GeForce RTX 5080 GPUs were also affected by the same issue. Affected consumers can contact the board manufacturer for a replacement.
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491 Comments on NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Cards Spotted with Missing ROPs, NVIDIA Confirms the Issue, Multiple Vendors Affected

#251
ShrimpBrime
Less ROPs, less heat, less melting connectors, just more black eyes for NVidia. Gotcha.

:roll:
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#252
Ruru
S.T.A.R.S.
The more you buy, the less you get.
sLowEndNot a good look for Nvidia, especially on their expensive flagship product. I wonder how this made it past QC?
"nah, those idiots buy them anyway so let's just release them to the market"
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#253
ShrimpBrime
RuruThe more you buy, the less you get.


"nah, those idiots buy them anyway so let's just release them to the market"
Exactly. Sucker born every day. 8 billion people, there's bound to be a couple million sucker's out there.

@SmookinJoe
Thanks for making that closed thread. Slapped it here in your honor sir!

jnv11JayzTwoCents just posted a video based on this report as seen below:
Oops, was already posteded. Muh bad dudes.
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#254
shadyhero
this is what happens when you cant bin defective chips into lower skus. there is no other gpu with the gb202 die
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#255
Klemc
That's what happens when a customer comes to a store and says :

I don't need ROPs !
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#256
TheinsanegamerN
GhostRyder$2000+ for this card and this is what you get... I mean what are we up to, 3 different issues now that are pretty major (Least in my book).

I really do not want to hear about AMD's drivers form 10 years ago ever again when I see a topic talking about the both brands.
TIL that 2018 was 10 years ago.
Sound_CardThe amount of copium from Nvidia fanbois is off the charts. The excuse is: " Well, it's still the fastest one can buy, so you shouldn't complain "
90% of the thread is people bashing on nVidia. I know it doesnt back up the prescribed worldview, but cmon man, this is an easy dunk.....
Legacy-ZAI add the RTX5080 to cart, then I remember all these points, and I remove it from cart. But you forgot to add another item, 32-bit PhysX is unsupported on many older titles that people like me still enjoy, tanking FPS from 400+ to just 7, I guess we can just use MFG to make that 28! :roll: :roll: :roll:




I am eagerly waiting on AMDs product launch, if it's anywhere near the $500-550, it's instant buy for me.
AMD never misses a chance to shoot themselves int he foot, so I'mma go with $850 for the 9070xt.
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#257
Sir Beregond
XxAtlasxXnobody figured out this only affects the "D" Versions of RTX5090 sold for China only??
5090 and 5090D have same number of ROPs.
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#258
GhostRyder
TheinsanegamerNTIL that 2018 was 10 years ago.
I mean that was 7, but that year I only remember there being a version or two with issues on the Vega series. I was talking like off and on consistent problems like back around the HD 7XXX series (not specifically that series, just around that era).

Either way this ROP issue is beyond a normal driver issue (least in my book).
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#259
Dawora
notoperableLess is more hehehe

Less is more hehehe

Less is more hehehe

When 60x0 series comes out, Nvidia will give gamers the option to run benchmarks on their claoud (first 30 days free, then 19.99$ month) - that way, nobody will feel left behind
Sir, we all use soon Nvidia GPUs because thats only one left, AMD never miss opportunity to miss opportunity
Legacy-ZAI am eagerly waiting on AMDs product launch, if it's anywhere near the $500-550, it's instant buy for me.
Better to do longer shifts, because it will be more than 500-550
Some Aibs is +900$ 100% fact
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#260
ks2
DaworaSir, we all use soon Nvidia GPUs because thats only one left, AMD never miss opportunity to miss opportunity


Better to do longer shifts, because it will be more than 500-550
Some Aibs is +900$ 100% fact
Thank you for sharing this information, kind time traveler.
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#261
troyota
I have a zotac 5090 solid and thankfully mine had the full 176 ROPs
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#262
FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
"The more you buy. The less ROPs you save!" - Jensen 'based' Huang.
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#263
blueturtle
Just waiting for Nvidia to screw the wrong person. Ill be watching with a big bowl of popcorn. All this upcoming backlash with AI heading for Mr. Leather Jacket....
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#265
Bwaze
EijiIt gets worse...

So an issue they haven’t noticed before and which requires some knowledge from the user to even identify it (and has to actively look for it) already got an assessment on how many products it affects, and it’s of course extremely low number?

The fact that right now there is a very small number of these cards around, but affected cards were found from several AIBs and models shows you that 0.5% number is pulled from the arse.
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#266
JustBenching
So they quickly rushed to address the issue and offer RMAs. Great, nice one nvidia. Consumer friendly, as expected.
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#267
Bwaze
JustBenchingSo they quickly rushed to address the issue and offer RMAs. Great, nice one nvidia. Consumer friendly, as expected.
Well, it’s a bit harder to deny than Intel’s 13 and 14 gen CPU instability and degradation problem they have been denying for months, denying RMAs even to tech journalists. When they admitted the problem, they also quoted it is very rare - but we have basically no way of quantifying that.

Remember when 5 years ago AMD Ryzen 3000 CPUs didn’t reach their advertised boost clocks, AMD dismissed it, and Der8auer organized a group poll of users that showed the problem is widespread, and AMD then promised to fix it in microcode?

I mean, ROP number is clearly written, together with performance drop. The only other thing Nvidia could have done is change the way driver reports ROPs, always showing the SKU’s appropriate number, not an actual live count. And the 4% performance degradation? Clearly user error, debloat your Windows, here’s an easy to follow 69 step program that could potentially brick your PC!
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#268
JustBenching
BwazeWell, it’s a bit harder to deny than Intel’s 13 and 14 gen CPU instability and degradation problem they have been denying for months, denying RMAs even to tech journalists.
They haven't been denying RMAs. That's the usual anti intel / nvidia propagand you hear on the internet. There were 3 cases that got denied out of thousands of RMAs that are happening on the daily.
BwazeI mean, ROP number is clearly written, together with performance drop. The only other thing Nvidia could have done is change the way driver reports ROPs, always showing the SKU’s appropriate number, not an actual live count. And the 4% performance degradation? Clearly user error, debloat your Windows, here’s an easy to follow 69 step program that could potentially brick your PC!
Nvidia didn't call it a user error, clearly they are offering RMAs. What are you talking about man?
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#269
tpa-pr
JustBenchingSo they quickly rushed to address the issue and offer RMAs. Great, nice one nvidia. Consumer friendly, as expected.
I have to ask: would you be this magnanimous if this was AMD or Intel?
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#270
JustBenching
tpa-prI have to ask: would you be this magnanimous if this was AMD or Intel?
Of course, wasn't the internet as forgiving with the 3d burning up 2 years ago (and taking your mobo alongside it) or the problematic cooler on the 7900xtx?

Not having cards to quickly RMA might be an issue but at least in this particular case you can wait a month, the card is fully functioning with 5% less performance.
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#271
tpa-pr
JustBenchingOf course, wasn't the internet as forgiving with the 3d burning up 2 years ago (and taking your mobo alongside it) or the problematic cooler on the 7900xtx?

Not having cards to quickly RMA might be an issue but at least in this particular case you can wait a month, the card is fully functioning with 5% less performance.
I wasn't asking about the internet's reaction in general, I was asking you personally. But alright, if you say "of course" I'll accept that and hold you to the standard in the future.
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#272
JustBenching
tpa-prI wasn't asking about the internet's reaction in general, I was asking you personally. But alright, if you say "of course" I'll accept that and hold you to the standard in the future.
Crap like this has happened, is happening and it's going to keep happening. As long as the whatever company is involved is willing to RMA and make good, that's all there is to say about it. My standards are always the same, it's everyone else's standards that flip flop based on the brand.

For example, have fun reading the below. Lot's of people rushing to blame nvidia for doing it on purpose rushed to say the XTX cooler issue was a youtube propaganda....

www.techpowerup.com/302917/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-may-feature-faulty-coolers-causing-overheating?cp=2#comments
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#273
usiname
0.5% defect rate? Isn't the defect connectors percentage also around 0.5-1%?
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#274
Bwaze
JustBenchingNvidia didn't call it a user error, clearly they are offering RMAs. What are you talking about man?
I’m talking about how some users applaud the exemplary Nvidia’s response, which is a correct one - but in their position perhaps the only one possible. And I have written a possible other way out without admitting their fault - as we have seen other companies try before.

A cynical take on how tech companies deal with such issues.

Wanna hear another such story? Largest SSD maker, Samsung, had a drive that was failing unless you updated it’s firmware. No ”if’s” or “why’s”, just “when”. But rather than making a pubic statement that users should do that, they issued their solution quietly in tech help, which nobody sought until it was too late - how many users lost their valuable personal data so that Samsung maintained their perfect public image?
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#275
JustBenching
BwazeI’m talking about how some users applaud the exemplary Nvidia’s response, which is a correct one - but in their position perhaps the only one possible. And I have written a possible other way out without admitting their fault - as we have seen other companies try before.

A cynical take on how tech companies deal with such issues.

Wanna hear another such story? Largest SSD maker, Samsung, had a drive that was failing unless you updated it’s firmware. No ”if’s” or “why’s”, just “when”. But rather than making a pubic statement that users should do that, they issued their solution quietly in tech help, which nobody sought until it was too late - how many users lost their valuable personal data so that Samsung maintained their perfect public image?
The samsung driver in question (980 pro) had no hardware issues actually, it was just the software misreporting. I have one btw, haven't updated the software, it's misreporting as 80% health but it's just a software reading error, the driver is fine (have it since 2021) As I've said - stop reading headlines and youtube clickbaits.
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