lexluthermiesterNo, they are not. There isn't a single competent sysadmin on the planet who will tolerate such a narrow-minded move. This is being done to consumer versions of Windows, specifically the home editions.

b1k3rdudeEven thought its harder, there are a any number of ways to add local accounts to home edition also.

kiloThere also removing local accounts or at least trying harder this time.

"We’re removing the bypassnro.cmd script from the build to enhance security and user experience of Windows 11. This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account."

Source

blinnbanirThere is too much telemetry built into Windows 11.

medi01I don't know what is built-in into win10, but after "debloater" my on-battery figure went from 3-5 hours to 7+ hours. (ASUS G15 AMD Advantage Edition)

medi01I don't know what is built-in into win10

Darmok N Jaladbut MS has gone through multiple control panels

WirkoThe Roadmap doesn't mention any rogue copilots planning to invade Calc. That's good news.

watzupkenWhen anyone other than big companies like MS creates a software that takes information from you device (whether you like it or now), that's a spyware. When Microsoft does it, it is a "safeware", no problems at all. :kookoo: Just shows the hypocrisy and irony.

Darmok N JaladYeah, new outlook is worse than Teams. Every time it updates, it forgets that I want new mails to pop out in a new window, and that I DON’T want it to help me complete my sentences. That second one annoys me so much. Not only does it break my concentration, but how lazy can you be to not even complete your own thoughts or type your own sentences?

Vayra86Track record comes into play here. Additionally, its all about the customer base.

Microsoft has no vested interest in creating a security or privacy nightmare for anyone. Their entire business floats on data integrity and security. Enterprise will not blink twice if they fail to uphold those values: they will find alternatives.

On the customer end, there is a similar reality. Would you keep using MS services if you lost trust?

That's the bottom line. That's the context. Microsoft has built a fantastic track record wrt data integrity and security. Meta, Google? Not quite so much. You can run something Linux instead as well... but there is no service behind that, its self managed most of the time, and it certainly isn't as pick-up-and-use as Microsoft's services are.

This is the way Microsoft has taken over the world. Consistency, building trust, and keeping the featureset the market requests. Its what they're good at - and they suck hard at everything else, anytime they want to do something flashy or sexy, it falls flat on its face. This is hands down the most boring company in the world, and people want it to be exactly that.

So certainly there is a difference yes, when Microsoft does it vs anyone else. At the same time, look at the uproar when MS does push a feature that isn't secure, like Recall. It doubly confirms this reality. Microsoft is like banking; it will never be anything else, we won't accept it to be.

Vayra86You can still roll back to the prerelease 24H2 that also doesnt have copilot and all that other BS half implemented.

Been saying this for a while now... get out of the update regime or this crap will keep getting worse for you... Get a portable release and save it and then just grab security updates. You dont need feature updates.

Vayra86Would you keep using MS services if you lost trust?

Vayra86Track record comes into play here. Additionally, its all about the customer base.

Microsoft has no vested interest in creating a security or privacy nightmare for anyone. Their entire business floats on data integrity and security. Enterprise will not blink twice if they fail to uphold those values: they will find alternatives.

On the customer end, there is a similar reality. Would you keep using MS services if you lost trust?

That's the bottom line. That's the context. Microsoft has built a fantastic track record wrt data integrity and security. Meta, Google? Not quite so much. You can run something Linux instead as well... but there is no service behind that, its self managed most of the time, and it certainly isn't as pick-up-and-use as Microsoft's services are.

This is the way Microsoft has taken over the world. Consistency, building trust, and keeping the featureset the market requests. Its what they're good at - and they suck hard at everything else, anytime they want to do something flashy or sexy, it falls flat on its face. This is hands down the most boring company in the world, and people want it to be exactly that.

So certainly there is a difference yes, when Microsoft does it vs anyone else. At the same time, look at the uproar when MS does push a feature that isn't secure, like Recall. It doubly confirms this reality. Microsoft is like banking; it will never be anything else, we won't accept it to be.

cal5582until those earlier iso's disappear. the totalitarianism is pretty blatant at this point.

cal5582i trust microsoft like i trust gas station sushi. yeah its still food. yeah im probably going to regret it about an hour after committing to it.

notoperable@Wirko: ever tried to run Wireshark on your Windows? Dont take my word for it, just try it yourself.
And dont be naive, its not about that MS gathers data, its about how and that users have 0 insight,
or control about it - and its went so far that its just ok - you being an example of this attitude. User Data
is value and if you think that MS is NOT doing something with it - then its your right, I on the other hand
don't take their word for granted, MS has kind of obnoxious track record - as any corporation (corpus being
the keyword)

Vayra86You can keep them locally. You can also still find ancient Windows isos.


Regret or not, you're clearly not ready to start cooking yourself in the Linux kitchen. This is the core of my argument. We apparently still trust MS enough to have them do work for us. Trust is high enough to do lots of (mission critical) stuff on a Windows PC.