ahh oh ! this thread has gone a bit wacky between ati and Nvidia oh well that tends to happen ...srry if i contributed to the wackyness

von kaina few days back when a was sayng to pay for our drivers none believe me after a few days i believe there is gonna be a forceware pro edition..........

Yeah, its called fireGL/Quadro.

This isn;t the first time Nvidia has wanted virgin drivers only from them..

It was modded drivers that caught them cheating the first time anyways. :rolleyes:

HellasVagabondUser Error ?? Ive been in the PC world ever since the 8086 and ive been a tech since 1998 so User error doesnt apply to me my friend.

tsk. tsk. tsk.

Having different opinions and supporting different sides isnt something new or something bad. We see it everyday from different football , basketball teams up to the elections.
The bad thing is when people start Insulting others just because they dont share the same point of view / beliefs. Thats what i despise.

Dippy both ATI and Nvidia have cheated when it comes to drivers and thats a proven fact :)

HellasVagabondDippy both ATI and Nvidia have cheated when it comes to drivers and thats a proven fact :)

I never denied either of them cheating.

Nvidia just threw a temper tantrum when busted.And then released a new driver.

With the same cheats.

HellasVagabondDippy both ATI and Nvidia have cheated when it comes to drivers and thats a proven fact :)

Actually, the "optimisations" ATi deployed were proven to be legitimate optimisations, rather than aggressive driver hacks, like nvidia used.

KetxxxActually, the "optimisations" ATi deployed were proven to be legitimate optimisations, rather than aggressive driver hacks, like nvidia used.

yeah, Nvidia actually stopped rendering certain parts of the screen as a whole. Extremetech was one of the sites that called them out on this, and they had also went after Omega for modding drivers around that time frame..

True Nvidia did that in order to prevail in 3dMark.....However lets not discuss the Half Life 2 case where Valve admited that they had it optimised for ATI cards thus they delayed it a few months to remove the optimisations...Not that they did but ok :P
( I still remember ATI giving away Half Life 2 with their cards and now they give away the next expansion to be.....And i still hear from people that valve doesnt optimise games for ATI :P )

Yes.. thats interesting, considering nvidia pay off countless software houses to "optimise" for their hardware.. yet ATi do it once and get all the nvidiots whining and bitching about it. Your argument is pointless, again.

Wile EAs is not having Fan control, or proper TV out support in Vista, for nVidia.

PS: I've been using computers since the 286 days, so I've been around for a while, myself. I still make mistakes, as do you. Nobody's perfect.

fan control works in the latest drivers - it was only MANUAL fan control that ever broke, which didnt concern most owners of the card.

I certainly have more trouble with my ATI cards - my x1800XL cant get its Vivo/TV out driver to install (yellow exclamation mark in dev man) so there goes that feature - and i have an x1650 that crashes all day long (constant VPU recovers) that works fine in XP.

Both sides of the fence have issues here - Nvidia may release more drivers, but they have no order or support (152.45 is newer than 160.02 for example)

ATI release monthly drivers, offically supported for all OS's - but uh, they certainly miss some big features/bugs for months at a time.

as for games optimisations/cheats - both have done it over the years, ATI just did it to an acceptable level (truly optmisations as opposed to cheats.)

Well I have a 8800 and even in Windows XP I had drivers issues:eek:. So I found me some drivers that got leaked out of nVidia and was modded by a team. Damn they are absolutely GREAT:rockout:.

@nVidia: Don't "ban" the modded drivers. We need them.

I am not an nVidia/ATI fan. I just grab the best(or one of the best) performance card available at the time of buying

KetxxxYes.. thats interesting, considering nvidia pay off countless software houses to "optimise" for their hardware.. yet ATi do it once and get all the nvidiots whining and bitching about it. Your argument is pointless, again.

Ketxxx i think i stated my opinion about insulting people more than just once but people like you keep going and going and going...........

As far as I can tell, the subject of ridiculously expensive video cards is a touchy one.

So everyone shut up and realize that some people have a different video card than you.

This thread has gone on for far too long, and has gotten way out of hand.