cdawallyou forgot to add this chip has 2X2mb cache and not 2x1MB like the 6000+ hence jumping up to 6400 and not 6200 ;)

this should oc well i wanna see a new AMD WR on these chips


oh and the slight improvment comment what improvement did you see from 1066mhz FSB to 1333MHZ FSB? intel :shadedshu AMD is keeping up even with old chips 6400+ e6850 hmmmm well if you already have a sAM2 board the cost to upgrade is minimal. now the intel side you have a s775mobo oh wait it wont work cause intel locked the chips out of working on it ;) never heard of AMD making a BS stunt like that and intels been doing it since before s370 remember i810? or s423 anyone have one of the 3 chips released on that b4 the change to s478 like 10mins later :roll:

Don't turn AMD news into Intel bashing.

everybody STFU!

Who gives a shit about your opinions, honestly.

I mean, AMD guys go buy AMD, Intel guys go buy Intel, stop turning this forum into a CPU propaganda exchange database!

DanTheBanjomanDon't turn AMD news into Intel bashing.

are you kidding seven other ppl have posted worse than that and several have backed up the fact that intel constantly changes socket/chipset locking out newer chips on older mobos


if you want to make an example of something PM it you have been around long enough to know that :ohwell:

there is nothing wrong with AMD sending out its 90nm chips with a bang we have all seen that this constant die shrink makes no difference in performance. look at the p4s 130nm down to 65nm the just oc'd different what makes you think the new C2Ds w/ 45nm and 3Xnm is going to make them any different. AMD has been pumping out higher end chips since K6-2 look at those next to a P3 :roll:. the fact that AMD is keeping up at all with chips that have been around since sept 23,2003 yet the keep up with intels C2Ds released july 27,2006 hmmm i see an issue 3 year old tech getting beat by 1 year old tech its one of those gee you think moments. i have no issue with intel for chips i own 3 running intels and only 1 runnning AMD, but as far as new tech goes they kinda suck it took 3 years to address having there asses handed to them by A64 tech but AMD is expected to have faster tech in less than a year.......thats BS in my book.


i hope Phenom blows C2Ds pants off cause all this crap about AMD not being able to keep up is stupid. Intel has had Penitum M chips since march of 2003 the things kept up with the AMD A64s yet intel completly ignored this and kept pushing out nutburst based crap that didnt have a chance in hell of keeping up with the A64 lineup. not one person questioned intel motives with this but everyone and there grandma thinks AMD is dead because one line of intel chips outperforms them by marginal amounts and then AMD just oc's the current chips a little more and everyon says oh no you cant do that? WTF?

if your to stupid to relize that all of this is crap then you dont need to post here. AMD has made more advances than intel ever will. AMD already replaced the ANCIENT tech of FSB and managed to get less onboard cache to behave in a way that you couldnt tell (compare a 512k and 1m a64 you'll see diff is marginal) yet intel is pushing out chips with 12mb cache that hardly beats an AMD? again WTF? we are talking about 5-10% margins WOW there was a 20-50% margin between A64 and P4 yet no one comments about that the 4ghz p4s got beat out by the cheaper more efficient 4000+ yet intel stays on top of the market with more expensive but slower chips,at least now you can buy an intel and not get SCREWED, thats all intel changed it gave the customer a LITTLE bit of aknowledgement.... this arguement is pointless the e6850 barely beats the 3yr older base of the 6400+ and thats that.





STOP BASHING AMD FOR RELEASING CHIPS. ppl got banned for shit like that if it had to do with intel but not AMD thats CRAP!


oh and dan no were did i bash intel in the post you quoted i posted true information on how intel seemed to simply forget the customer and change shit because it could :shadedshu if you want bashing look towards some of the other posts

you spelled bashing wrong :D

happy now?

Tatty_OneI dont think AMD chips are inferior......on the contrary, I am an AMD fanboi at heart....no doubt about it, all I am saying (If your comments in part were addressed towards me) is that currently (and I constantly remind people AMD held the performance crown in most things for over 3 years), the C2D is clock for clock supposidly 15-20% faster across the board, but raw speed does not always actually = better. My other point being that unless the 6400 will give at least 200Mhz exra overclock then IMO the 6000 remains the better option.

no, not aimed at you (or anyone on this forum in particular), just the general idea people have that core2 is 'SO MUCH FASTERRR!!!' or statements like 'you NEED a core 2 for an 8800, ANY amd chip is a bottleneck'
My actual point was that while core2 is quicker than A64, its on a much smaller scale than the difference betweem A64 and P4, yet people make so much more noise about it than they did when the boot was on the other foot


Cdawall, i had a 754 rig, i wanted a newer chip and had to buy a new motherboard as they changed the socket (939), then i was going to upgrade again, and they changed the socket AGAIN (am2)
Then i got an intel, since which they bought out 1333fsb and quad core, both which work in my current board, AMD 1:1 INTEL?
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russianboyyou spelled bashing wrong :D

You mis-spelt... spelt as spelled. :slap:

cdawallare you kidding seven other ppl have posted worse than that and several have backed up the fact that intel constantly changes socket/chipset locking out newer chips on older mobos


if you want to make an example of something PM it you have been around long enough to know that :ohwell:

there is nothing wrong with AMD sending out its 90nm chips with a bang we have all seen that this constant die shrink makes no difference in performance. look at the p4s 130nm down to 65nm the just oc'd different what makes you think the new C2Ds w/ 45nm and 3Xnm is going to make them any different. AMD has been pumping out higher end chips since K6-2 look at those next to a P3 :roll:. the fact that AMD is keeping up at all with chips that have been around since sept 23,2003 yet the keep up with intels C2Ds released july 27,2006 hmmm i see an issue 3 year old tech getting beat by 1 year old tech its one of those gee you think moments. i have no issue with intel for chips i own 3 running intels and only 1 runnning AMD, but as far as new tech goes they kinda suck it took 3 years to address having there asses handed to them by A64 tech but AMD is expected to have faster tech in less than a year.......thats BS in my book.


i hope Phenom blows C2Ds pants off cause all this crap about AMD not being able to keep up is stupid. Intel has had Penitum M chips since march of 2003 the things kept up with the AMD A64s yet intel completly ignored this and kept pushing out nutburst based crap that didnt have a chance in hell of keeping up with the A64 lineup. not one person questioned intel motives with this but everyone and there grandma thinks AMD is dead because one line of intel chips outperforms them by marginal amounts and then AMD just oc's the current chips a little more and everyon says oh no you cant do that? WTF?

if your to stupid to relize that all of this is crap then you dont need to post here. AMD has made more advances than intel ever will. AMD already replaced the ANCIENT tech of FSB and managed to get less onboard cache to behave in a way that you couldnt tell (compare a 512k and 1m a64 you'll see diff is marginal) yet intel is pushing out chips with 12mb cache that hardly beats an AMD? again WTF? we are talking about 5-10% margins WOW there was a 20-50% margin between A64 and P4 yet no one comments about that the 4ghz p4s got beat out by the cheaper more efficient 4000+ yet intel stays on top of the market with more expensive but slower chips,at least now you can buy an intel and not get SCREWED, thats all intel changed it gave the customer a LITTLE bit of aknowledgement.... this arguement is pointless the e6850 barely beats the 3yr older base of the 6400+ and thats that.





STOP BASHING AMD FOR RELEASING CHIPS. ppl got banned for shit like that if it had to do with intel but not AMD thats CRAP!


oh and dan no were did i bash intel in the post you quoted i posted true information on how intel seemed to simply forget the customer and change shit because it could :shadedshu if you want bashing look towards some of the other posts

Sounds intelligent to me.... :toast:
But I really wish that AMD would release something already and stop talking about it. I will replace my current 6000+ with the 6400+ if they were out. But where the hell are they.
I must be loosing my patience......dam where is the wife when I need her

AMD is so disappointing now....not just because they have a sligtly slower processor, but because they have the slightly slower gfx cards XD. W/e though, 6400+ x2 is a good marketing strategy to keep people buying.

Amd

AMD really need to look at the marketing stratergies - they keep saying oooo look consumers hold on to ur cash for 6months then get this - then ooo look whats cuming - people dnt invest and there left totaly buggerd - We neeeed them!
Look at apples marketing
2Weeks ago - oh btw were having a press meeting at apple hall in 1 week - Internet goes WILD --- tuesday comes - wow look new imac and iwork - omfg people go out and buy then and there. - Releasing too long roadmap or info leads to consumers not digging in top there pockets early and then doing the same not to long later - used to be great - amd64 - few came out then BAM - new1s hit market out of nowhere - we all go out and reinvest to get 300Mhz faster speed and a lil mre clocking headroom

We reaallly cant let them die else we will feel the rath of intel

russianboyeverybody STFU!

Who gives a shit about your opinions, honestly.

I mean, AMD guys go buy AMD, Intel guys go buy Intel, stop turning this forum into a CPU propaganda exchange database!

Your too young to talk like that young man!!! go to your room.

InfDamarvelAMD is so disappointing now....not just because they have a sligtly slower processor, but because they have the slightly slower gfx cards XD. W/e though, 6400+ x2 is a good marketing strategy to keep people buying.

not for long the 2900xt just got a 17 percent increase in some games on the last driver release. If they keeps this up the 2900xt is going to beat a 8800gtx.

InnocentCriminalDon't forget tk - AMD don't have anywhere near the capital that Intel does, so I can only guess that their PR budget would be much smaller. They'd most likely be using that money on refining their processes and Fabs.

yeah but it wasn't always that way, amd has plenty of time to develop a good advertising sector long ago while intel was just making it's first comercials, it didn't and now the company pasy for it, as any small ad they put out is shadowed by a longer and better intel one. it's the same with nvidia vs ati, nvdia's advertising team puts the products into the public eye, ati rely's on their fans to spread the word. and wow look ati the older company with more leading flagship cards (over the years) is less than half the worth of nvidia. hmmm.

I think it's about time to throw some money into ads. lol

I don't think they an awful lot of money to put into advertising now, let alone back then.

trt740Your too young to talk like that young man!!! go to your room.

im not your bitch.

russianboyim not your bitch.

MAKE ME A SAMMICH, SAMMICH BOY!


and no hot sauce!

all right then.

I'll make you a fucking sandwich with your own broken bits of your mac book.

Save the CPU

yeah I'll save the CPU. and ship it to you, along with a free package of anthrax in the envelope.

What did I do?!

you were born, thats what.

InnocentCriminalI don't think they an awful lot of money to put into advertising now, let alone back then.

lets see a 30 second slot for an ad is 50000$, it cost anywhere from 300,000$-1 million to shoot a good comercial, so what you don't think amd has 350k? wow you really need to stay in school.

and yeah back then amd had as much as intel had for ads, intel wasn't always the supermonopoly.

anda 100K commecial is always an option too.

300,000$-1 million to shoot a good commercial?! wow, for that commercial they will sell tickets in movies :D

yogurt_21lets see a 30 second slot for an ad is 50000$, it cost anywhere from 300,000$-1 million to shoot a good comercial, so what you don't think amd has 350k? wow you really need to stay in school.

I think you need to know exactly what you're talking about before you let your ass do the talking. D'you even have any proof to your claims on how much these adverts would have cost AMD? Are you even familiar with the History x86 Prcoessors?

From the way you're wording your posts you have no idea that AMD have been in financial issues for a long time.

Get y'facts straight before blowing out hot air. :slap:

tkpenalty...you cannot deny the fact that AMD gives better performance for their money...

Only on the low end. They match pretty well price/performance wise, until the High end. (Which is all Intel, thus the stiff penalties, no competition)