WeerIt's the same thing as the 2900XT! It's simply 55nm..

That incorrect, it will support:
-DX 10.1/SM 4.1
-UVD (unified video decoding)
-PCIe 2.0 compliant

With more information to come as it becomes available to the public.

EastCoasthandleThat incorrect, it will support:
-DX 10.1/SM 4.1
-UVD (unified video decoding)

With more information to come as it becomes available to the public.

I agree, it's a bit soon to go preaching that it'll have no advantages over the 2900...

Very nice...

freaksaviorplease elaborate

Die shink basicly means it will run cooler that the 90nm..

EastCoasthandleThat incorrect, it will support:
-DX 10.1/SM 4.1
-UVD (unified video decoding)
-PCIe 2.0 compliant

With more information to come as it becomes available to the public.

WOW all that loool...

mrw1986So should I buy a 2900Pro 1gb or wait for this puppy? Keep in mind I wanna stay in the ~$300 price range

And as forbuying one if i was you just wait till you see people swap out for this newer one probaly get a few who had them both too.....

Lets just hope this card runs well with all games!

WeerFor you, anything.

The R600 GPU and the RV670 GPU are identical. The only difference is the manufacturing process, going from 80nm to 55nm (allegedly).

This means that the HD 2900 series and the HD 3800 series will differ solely in clock speed, which is laughable.
And calling is the HD 3870.. makes me think they're trying to screw themselves into the ground intentionally..

And that pisses me off, because I thought that I would FINALLY get to see the Red side get the upper hand, as it had a year ago. But.. I guess there is no red side anymore is there? It's the AMD side now..

are you kidding? a die shrink is laughable...look at the G70 vs G71 the only difference is a die shrink and yet the max oc achieved on a G70 7800GS AFTER voltmods is a 570 and my card on stock volts, stock cooler hits 569....oh yeah this will make a laughable difference people like you who just make blanket statements are just STUPID! here is some proof for you...LINK my cards got a GPUz validation in my sig if you want proof of my card

Wow those coolers are meh... reminds of as said above, the X850s.

Man, I'm starting to hate the new naming thing they have going on already. Now they can go up to 3xxx and 4xxx without actually making any significant differences. This should be super confusing to customers.

ackkkk

heh i just bought a hd2600xt gddr4 , figures its only a dx10.0 card
even tho id like to upgrade again tothe new ati line dx10.1 card because of the new PhysX being built into Ati cards (crossfire of course)

My rigs for Htpc / light gaming
Msi k9A Platinum AMD 580X CrossFire (ATI RD580) Chipset
amd 64 EE 5200+ mild oc 2.8 ghz AC 64 pro 92mm cpu fan
3 gigs adata ddr2 800
2x 250 wd sata2 hds
1x ATI HD2600xt gddr4 oc 845 core 1170 mem dx10.0
1x sony cd burner 1x samsung dl-dvd 18x
logisys 575watt psu
WinV home premium 32bit

Can someone tell me why this card , and others say they have HDMI? I dont see it. Just DVI and s-Video?

ati made a Hdmi adapter that plugs into one of the DVI ports
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it will definitely be interesting to see how nVidia responds to this. rumors have already hit the net (possibly even here on techpowerup) about thier 9xxx series chipset... that produces 3 teraflops on one die :confused:

Redshiftit will definitely be interesting to see how nVidia responds to this. rumors have already hit the net (possibly even here on techpowerup) about thier 9xxx series chipset... that produces 3 teraflops on one die :confused:

Not to mention free 4x anti aliasing. That alone is sweet and all the AA that I would ever truly need

3xxx

Calling a card 3xxx without major difference between to the 2xxx is just dope!

PCIe 2.0
Die shrink
DX 10.1

this things are nice, but for me, and I think many of you would "3xxx" mean "R700"
My opinion!

v-zeroThis is very clever economics. ATi/AMD had massive problems and cost in making the super-complex 12-layer PCB to employ that 512-bit bus, and having seen that the R600 is not limited by it's bandwidth they have done the most sensible thing. It should lower prices (though maybe the consumer wont see that) and increase energy-efficiency, and may aid in higher clock rates.

A nice move in my opinion, but the benchmarks will tell. I'm pretty sure G80 will finally meet it's match, it's been a year coming.

The R680 is supposed to mark the return on the 512 bus, and a higher clock speed.

EastCoasthandleThat incorrect, it will support:
-DX 10.1/SM 4.1
-UVD (unified video decoding)
-PCIe 2.0 compliant

With more information to come as it becomes available to the public.

Yep, but nothing revolutionary there but I cannot understand why that would bother people too much, after all, it's not that long since the 600 was introduced, and although it was considerably late it has shown it can compete with the best NVidia has to offer at a lower price (some hiccups withstanding such as AA in certain circumstances), and anyways, it's no different with the G92 from Nvidia, a few more stream processors, PCI-E 2.0, SM4.1 etc along with a lower fabriction process. I suppose NVidia would argue that their upcoming 9800 or whatever it is called will be revolutionary.......but we will have to wait and see on that one!

Why did they call it 3870 instead of 3800. was the 70 meant to represent something important? They might as well have called it 3870-100 like some sort of boeing.

But whatever it's going to be called, it's good news nonetheless. The HD2850 interests me since it will actually fit in my case. If this comes out in time for Christmas, I'd be happy.

ChaoticBlanknessThe R680 is supposed to mark the return on the 512 bus, and a higher clock speed.

Yep, once it is relevant to the market :).

AsRockWOW all that loool...

Not relevant as Weer stated "It's the same thing as the 2900XT..." in which I have shown him as well as you that statement isn't correct.

so how long are these thingies?

AMD has finally lost it, using a higher number for a brand new next gen flagship video card has been a practice in the video card business since ever, for example Radeon 7200-8500-9700-X800-X1800-X2900 (X meaning "10"), GeForce 2-3-4-5800-6800-7800-8800, Voodoo 1-2-3-4-5, and so on and so forth, but now AMD is misleading the consumer making them think this GPU model is technologically a generation above the previous GPU model when it's not.... :nutkick:

Frankly, I don't know where they want to get with this, what's next AMD? PR numbers like you use for your processors? Radeon 4000+ anyone?? :shadedshu

Personally, I understand why some are getting a bit confused/bemused by the numbering of the card but I do not see it as a completely new model, I see it as an evolution of the R600, just like really the G92 is of the G80 (there are no radical improvements) but marketed in a different way. Nvidia are going to bring out a replacement GTS but they will call it an 8800GTS so maybe their strategy in this case is a bit more up front?

I think this is GAY.....what is wrong with AMD....why would they move to a new series....when they pretty much just gained some steam on the HD 2k series...

i think people are panicing to much lol. To me this seems there doing the whole range again with nm shrinks with a few bits added maybe the next range will show more of what there up to.

Need to remember that the R600 has cost them so much and probably need to use it more to make enough money to actually do some thing new..

I just hope they make it.

mandelorethe card can be used as a dedicated physics unit, just like the R600 in multi crossfire setups

Hi to all, mandelore you forgot to mention that the game as to support HavokFX from Havok and ONLY HavokFX nor the Havok 5 engine to this to work, and until now i have no knowledge of a game that does.

And any ps 3.0 card can accelerate Havok FX.