Saturday, November 17th 2007

NVIDIA Claims AMD Cannot Play HD Content; AMD Rebuttal Shows Otherwise

At NVIDIA's recent Editors Day, NVIDIA tried pretty hard to show just how awesome they think the 8800GT is. To do this, they took two computers, put an 8800GT in one, a 2900XT on the other, paired both to a 30" HP monitor that runs at a native 2560x1600 resolution, and tried to get both to play an HD-DVD. The 2900XT, according to NVIDIA, could not play any HD content, and was limited to 1920x1200. The incriminating slide is below. However, AMD was very prompt in their rebuttal. While the 8800GT can display HD content in a resolution higher than 1920x1200, none of the other 8800 cards can. The 8800GTX and Ultra, which are more powerful than the 8800GT and much more expensive, are limited to single-key HDCP, limiting the resolution and playback to 1920x1200. AMD then put an HD-DVD in the drive of a test system with an HD 3850, plugged it into a monitor capable of displaying a 2560x1600 resolution, and watched the movie in full screen with full hardware acceleration. AMD was also able to achieve full-screen playback on a test system with 2 HD 2900XTs.
Source: The Inquirer
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86 Comments on NVIDIA Claims AMD Cannot Play HD Content; AMD Rebuttal Shows Otherwise

#76
DarkMatter
imperialreignWhat nVidia should've done - is wait until the 3800s were released, and comparing the 8800GT to that, instead of jumping the gun. At the end of October, everyone knew the 3800s were right around the corner, ATI even having giving an ETA on them - it's just, no one had any specs, yet - which was just a bit unusual for ATI . . . almost like they were trying to keep the 3800s under wraps for as long as possible . . .
HAHAHAHA!! That was funny! :roll:

A company has to wait for competition?? :roll: Since when. If you have a better* product before the competition you try to sell it. You don't say "Ey! I have the better product now, but if you wait just a month the competition is going to release their counterpart, so you have better off waiting..." And all that in their own event? :roll:
Well, TBH, that kind of behavior would make this world a lot better place to live on. LOL

*When I say better, undrestand that I'm refering to playing HD at 2560x1600, or any other claim that it is true in the moment of the claim.
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#77
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
imperialreign:wtf: The point most of us are trying to make is that ATI had never stated that the 2900 could display HD content at a screen resolution greater than 1920x2000. But, what nVidia did was state that any HD playback wasn't possible with the 2900 - which is just flat out false. But anyways, nVidia making this statement is a form of mud slinging against ATI to win more customer back to the nVidia aisle. Again, ATI never said the 2900 could display HD content at a screen res bigger than 1920x2000.

even back when that slide was done up by nVidia - OCT 29 - we all knew the 3800 series was coming very shortly. nVidia might not have had the newest meat on the market, but they were trying to showoff that their meat is still the best tasting on the block.
Ya Know what i think, who cares if the Cards can do this or that on a 1920x1200 Screen, because if you think about it majority of Gamers will be running on 1280x1024 or 1024x768 Screens.
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#78
imperialreign
Ya Know what i think, who cares if the Cards can do this or that on a 1920x1200 Screen, because if you think about it majority of Gamers will be running on 1280x1024 or 1024x768 Screens.
I understand that eidair - I was pointing out that this article on nVidia's part is targeted at those buying hardware for HD viewing on large monitors (30") and pronjection screens - not at us gamers.
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#79
MadCow
Did anybody else notice the last picture in the article? It shows 2 2900XTs in crossfire doing fullscreen HD on a 30" screen.
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#80
hercules71185
I think its weird that nvidia does both but ati is one or the other
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#81
Xaser04
jpierce55At the current pricing the 8800gt/3870 are about equal on performance per $
It depends where you live though.

For example here in the UK you can pick up (well out of stock but still the price is correct) a Zotac 8800GT for £160 with free delivery. On the same website the HD3870 is the same price (you can get it for around £150 but you will have to pay p & p on top). At these prices the 8800GT is easily the better choice.
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#82
hercules71185
what I was saying on the last post is people are claiming in the first pages of this forum nvidia did them wrong by comparing cards that aren't meant for that. Well isn't that a good point then? For example. they just pulled a hey I can do this 10 times better than you and STILL out perform you in every benchmark. I'm not biased towards any company just the better card for the price. I rocked a radeon 9550 back in the day. then a nvidia 6800. Now a nvidia 8600gt. And about to pull out onto the new 3870 because it is a great deal or if the 8800gt is ever in stock again or if the 256 version drops under 200 I'm sold on 2 of them. I don't really care what company does what in any way. Why not just have the best per dollar system?
I wish that applied to gamers for the superhd whatever it is. playing a game on a 30" screen with the resolution maxed would be sick. Whoever plays crysis in dx10 mode with all candy on. I wanna see it. Whether its 4 of the ati crossfires or what that would be phenomenal no pun intended.
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#83
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
imperialreignI understand that eidair - I was pointing out that this article on nVidia's part is targeted at those buying hardware for HD viewing on large monitors (30") and pronjection screens - not at us gamers.
i think majority of users will have HD setop boxes over a PC, sad but true.
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#84
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
i will be playing on a mitsu 65in 1080P DLP as soon as i get a DVI-hdmi converter :D
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#85
imperialreign
all I'm saying is that it seems that home entertainement is quickly moving into the PC world. It's only been within the last year or so that the consumer can go out and buy a HD-DVD or BLU-RAY capable optical drive, and only the last couple of years since HD TVs and monitors have entered the market - as the price of new equipment comes down, more and more people are picking it up.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing in anyway shape or form . . . it's just that most gamers aren't out there pricing 30" monitors, simply because to run a game at that native resolution would be like watching a slide show - unless you've got all the bad-ass hardware to handle that strain, and the vast majority of people don't.


Anyways, to kind of sum up how I interpeted nVidia's propaganda there . . . it'd be like if Reebok released an advertisement stating that Nike tennis shoes don't have good traction at all because Nike doesn't offer shoe sizes bigger than size 15.
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#86
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
well im getting at fact that a PC can be unstable at times, also very prone to failure, Most Settop boxes run off of just Firmware and no software.
imperialreignall I'm saying is that it seems that home entertainement is quickly moving into the PC world. It's only been within the last year or so that the consumer can go out and buy a HD-DVD or BLU-RAY capable optical drive, and only the last couple of years since HD TVs and monitors have entered the market - as the price of new equipment comes down, more and more people are picking it up.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing in anyway shape or form . . . it's just that most gamers aren't out there pricing 30" monitors, simply because to run a game at that native resolution would be like watching a slide show - unless you've got all the bad-ass hardware to handle that strain, and the vast majority of people don't.


Anyways, to kind of sum up how I interpeted nVidia's propaganda there . . . it'd be like if Reebok released an advertisement stating that Nike tennis shoes don't have good traction at all because Nike doesn't offer shoe sizes bigger than size 15.
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