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I don't believe this for a minute.

The PS3 is probably helping a lot. It's the superior format; so besides price, why would you want HD-DVD to be the only HD format? It doesn't store much more than DVD.

spacejunkymore propaganda

I don't believe this for a minute.

You're quite wrong.

Shotgun $50 Blu Ray drives :(

For some perspective, the DVD standard was finalized in 1995. Think about the massive improvements in storage capacity in every other format since 95. 1 terabyte magnetic disks, 16gb flash drives, 4gb ram sticks. Going from 4.7gb to 15gb with HD-DVD really isn't worth it. Blu-Ray isn't a lot better at 25 gb per layer, but its still obviously got higher density.

That being said, I won't be buying an HD player of any sort for the foreseeable future. HDTV's are too damn expensive.

Blu-ray support:
Warner Bros.
Disney (Buena Vista)
Fox
Lionsgate
MGM
Sony Pictures

HD-DVD support:
Warner Bros.
Paramount
Universal Studios


Just by looking at those supporting movie studios, it becomes easy to see why Blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD. There is no reason to pick sides based on Sony or Toshiba. I don't understand why you would be biased against Blu-ray. Moreover, since Blu-ray is the superior product, I don't see any reason at all to be biased against Blu-ray.

Anyone who doesn't like Blu-ray and doesn't want it on the market are just people hurting other consumers by not supporting the better player. This in effect takes the better product off the market...

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HD DVD
DreamWorks
Paramount
Universal
Warner Bros.
Weinstein Company

Blue-Ray
20th Century Fox
Disney/Buena Vista
Lionsgate
MGM/UA
Sony Pictures
Warner Bros.

tdamoclesHD DVD
DreamWorks
Paramount
Universal
Warner Bros.
Weinstein Company

Blue-Ray
20th Century Fox
Disney/Buena Vista
Lionsgate
MGM/UA
Sony Pictures
Warner Bros.

Paramount owns Dreamworks, which are both owned by Viacom if you want to get technical, so that's a given. The Weinstein Company is a small studio that probably doesn't account for many HD-DVD sales, besides the great movies like Derailed (don't make me laugh) and the matador. So to include the Weinstein Company as a major studio isn't that accurate in my opinion.

RavenasParamount owns Dreamworks, which are both owned by Viacom if you want to get technical, so that's a given. The Weinstein Company is a small studio that probably doesn't account for many HD-DVD sales, besides the great movies like Derailed (don't make me laugh) and the matador. So to include the Weinstein Company as a major studio isn't that accurate in my opinion.

If you say so.....;)

RavenasJust by looking at those supporting movie studios, it becomes easy to see why Blu-ray is outselling HD-DVD. There is no reason to pick sides based on Sony or Toshiba. I don't understand why you would be biased against Blu-ray. Moreover, since Blu-ray is the superior product, I don't see any reason at all to be biased against Blu-ray.

Anyone who doesn't like Blu-ray and doesn't want it on the market are just people hurting other consumers by not supporting the better player. This in effect takes the better product off the market...

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There is no difference in video quality between BR and HD...Transformers was done in MPEG4 H.264 just like some of the BR discs. In fact, most BR are on single layer = 25GB and use various CODECs such as VC1 and even MPEG2 just like HD. If you base superior tech by storage then you are hurting the consumers by cramming additional previews and worthless interactive (boring) games on the extra space. Oh wait...I forgot about the director's comentary.:shadedshu Most H.264 movies by themselves are only about 30 to 35 GB. Next gen HD will be triple layer = 45 GB anyway.

Have you experienced Sony's bs with encryption? Having to do firmware updates so you can watch Silver Surfer...if you're lucky? Yeah, that's a superior technology I want everyone to benefit from...SWEET!

All I can say is, Thank God for HD-DVD! Can you imagine how much we would have to pay for hi-def content if Sony was the only one in the market?

spacejunkyThere is no difference in video quality between BR and HD...Transformers was done in MPEG4 H.264 just like some of the BR discs. In fact, most BR are on single layer = 25GB and use various CODECs such as VC1 and even MPEG2 just like HD. If you base superior tech by storage then you are hurting the consumers by cramming additional previews and worthless interactive (boring) games on the extra space. Oh wait...I forgot about the director's comentary.:shadedshu Most H.264 movies by themselves are only about 30 to 35 GB. Next gen HD will be triple layer = 45 GB anyway.

Have you experienced Sony's bs with encryption? Having to do firmware updates so you can watch Silver Surfer...if you're lucky? Yeah, that's a superior technology I want everyone to benefit from...SWEET!

All I can say is, Thank God for HD-DVD! Can you imagine how much we would have to pay for hi-def content if Sony was the only one in the market?

1. You saying extra storage is hurting the consumer because you get more storage space for junk is like this conversation between two friends, "I have a 250gb hard drive."...and then his friend says, "I have a 150gb hard drive; you're stupid for having all that useless space for junk." :laugh::laugh: I mean really, lol...:roll:

2. I suggest you take a look at this website before you start talking about aspect ratios and encryptions:
www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-state-of-the-s-union-s-division/
You're exaggerating the truth more than a little bit.

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Ravenas1. You saying extra storage is hurting the consumer because you get more storage space for junk is like this conversation between two friends, "I have a 250gb hard drive."...and then his friend says, "I have a 150gb hard drive; you're stupid for having all that useless space for junk." :laugh::laugh: I mean really, lol...:roll:

2. I suggest you take a look at this website before you start talking about aspect ratios and encryptions:
www.engadget.com/2005/09/19/blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-state-of-the-s-union-s-division/
You're exaggerating the truth more than a little bit.

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1. The difference in your inaccurate analogy is that I can choose to load up my 250 GB hard drive with whatever I consider to be myself useful. Not what Sony considers to be useful.

2. Good website even though it was last updated on 10.20.2005 even before PS3 came out. It does verify as I said that both formats are capable of the same CODECs. Hence, same image quality.

Man you are losing the argument.
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spacejunky1. The difference in your inaccurate analogy is that I can choose to load up my 250 GB hard drive with whatever I consider to be myself useful. Not what Sony considers to be useful.

2. Good website even though it was last updated on 10.20.2005 even before PS3 came out. It does verify as I said that both formats are capable of the same CODECs. Hence, same image quality.

Man you are losing the argument.
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I'm not arguing with you, if I wanted to argue I would take myself to a rant forum:
daoc.catacombs.com/forum.cfm?forum=DAOCRantForum:slap::slap:

You're saying that Toshiba is putting more useful things on their discs than Sony? The analogy still holds true whether you like it or not, the two friends could be considered as Sony and Toshiba (even though they aren't the best of friends in a business sense).

What I'm saying is that you over exaggerated the facts about the encryption. Both encryption formats are quite similar and both have the same headaches. The fact is though, the Blu-ray still remains the best as far as specs are concerned. You could sit here and say all day that the extra storage space is useless, that's you're opinion, but that opinion doesn't mean HD dvd is a better player.

the only reason why blu-ray is even selling anything is because of the PS3, its plain and simple to see that if it wasn't for that HD-DVD would be king no doubt..

take out the sales of PS3's out of the equation and this format war becomes a very different story

RavenasI'm not arguing with you, if I wanted to argue I would take myself to a rant forum:
daoc.catacombs.com/forum.cfm?forum=DAOCRantForum:slap::slap:

You're saying that Toshiba is putting more useful things on their discs than Sony? The analogy still holds true whether you like it or not, the two friends could be considered as Sony and Toshiba (even though they aren't the best of friends in a business sense).

What I'm saying is that you over exaggerated the facts about the encryption. Both encryption formats are quite similar and both have the same headaches. The fact is though, the Blu-ray still remains the best as far as specs are concerned. You could sit here and say all day that the extra storage space is useless, that's you're opinion, but that opinion doesn't mean HD dvd is a better player.

You're right but I never did say HD-DVD was a better player. You said Blu-Ray was superior and I disagreed. So rather than an argument, it is a disagreement or rather a debate? Call it what you will. All I have done is point out what a pain Sony can be.

As far as I know, no one has had to do a firmware update on their HD-DVD players yet and Sony is just getting started. I'm guessing that pretty soon BR players will have to be connected to the net just to watch a movie but of course they will tell you how this will enable fantastic new interactive features while you watch a movie on their superior format.

What I said was,
"Thank God for HD-DVD!"
I should also mention AMD, Apple(Macs), LINUX, ATI, PHP, MySQL, and the entire Open Source community. For without them, we would be at the mercy of the 800 pound gorillas.

wazzledoozleThe PS3 is probably helping a lot. It's the superior format; so besides price, why would you want HD-DVD to be the only HD format? It doesn't store much more than DVD.

Yeah you're right. 3X is not much more than a DVD.:shadedshu Just remember this is still an optical disc and the fact that they can relatively cheaply manufacture readers and writers at these spacings is impressive.

However, I see your point. I would be much more impressed if they started selling/renting HD movies on flash. Now that would be awesome!

blu-ray continues to gain momentum. i own a ps3 so i obviously would like to see blu-ray stick around and perhaps the studios that put their movies out on hd-dvd to also put them out for blu-ray. they will have no choice if more and more people turn to blu-ray in the coming months. studios will lose money if they support the losing format for too long. sony is playing their cards right. the ps3 is probably the coolest gadget ive ever bought. what would make it even cooler is if i never have to buy an hd-dvd player :laugh:

UnXpectedErrorthe only reason why blu-ray is even selling anything is because of the PS3, its plain and simple to see that if it wasn't for that HD-DVD would be king no doubt..

take out the sales of PS3's out of the equation and this format war becomes a very different story

Good point...1.9 million PS3s out there....:eek:

I can vouch for these numbers. People that have bought a PS3 are buying at least a couple blu-ray movies for the beauty factor. Sony's plan is coming to fruition to beat hd-dvd.

(I don't own any console, and I"m not a fanboy, unless you count AMD and Nvidia :D)

TheGuruStudPeople that have bought a PS3 are buying at least a couple blu-ray movies for the beauty factor.

Or maybe they are buying movies because of the lack of games? Would be a shame to buy a $300-$400 console and not use it?

RavenasI'm not arguing with you, if I wanted to argue I would take myself to a rant forum:
daoc.catacombs.com/forum.cfm?forum=DAOCRantForum:slap::slap:

You're saying that Toshiba is putting more useful things on their discs than Sony? The analogy still holds true whether you like it or not, the two friends could be considered as Sony and Toshiba (even though they aren't the best of friends in a business sense).

What I'm saying is that you over exaggerated the facts about the encryption. Both encryption formats are quite similar and both have the same headaches. The fact is though, the Blu-ray still remains the best as far as specs are concerned. You could sit here and say all day that the extra storage space is useless, that's you're opinion, but that opinion doesn't mean HD dvd is a better player.

Neither is better for movies. No current movies require the full storage of either format. Transformers takes up 26GB, for a point of reference. That's a whole lot of wasted space on a Blu Ray. Blu-Ray is technically better for storage @ 50GB vs 30GB for HD DVD, but not for long, 51GB triple layer HD DVDs are due out, and that will put an end to the storage benefits of Blu Ray.

Personally, I have no preference. I own both, and for movies they are 100% equal.

Wile ENeither is better for movies. No current movies require the full storage of either format. Transformers takes up 26GB, for a point of reference. That's a whole lot of wasted space on a Blu Ray. Blu-Ray is technically better for storage @ 50GB vs 30GB for HD DVD, but not for long, 51GB triple layer HD DVDs are due out, and that will put an end to the storage benefits of Blu Ray.

Personally, I have no preference. I own both, and for movies they are 100% equal.

I have yet to see the current players ability to read these triple layer discs. And what do you think BD will do? Add another layer too, then HD is fucked all over again.

tdamoclesOr maybe they are buying movies because of the lack of games? Would be a shame to buy a $300-$400 console and not use it?

:o, touche

TheGuruStudI have yet to see the current players ability to read these triple layer discs. And what do you think BD will do? Add another layer too, then HD is fucked all over again.

Either way, it's all redundant as far as movies are concerned. The storage capacities only matter for data use, which is beyond the scope of this thread.

The only format I would consider supporting is HD-DVD, for the cost of the player. Even then, the movies are still $30 each. BluRay may be 'superior' because of storage capacity, but is that worth $300 more for a player? Some of you may enjoy pissing away your cash, most of the world does not.

Personally, I think the whole HD/BluRay war is a blip on the screen, ala laser discs. The real format will be digital 3D. I will be waiting for one of those and bypass this train wreck.