I just hope that they can learn from their mistakes with the phenom and get the performance up to par.

ya get rid of Hector Ruiz and Phil Hester

If they're this close to bringing out 45nm dies then they should be able to expell the infamous L3 cache Translation Lookup Buffer malarkey. Plus the reduction should allow for some higher-clocks & lower temps.

I really do hope AMD can bring it back with the 45nm releases before Intel unleash Nelhalem.

I hope the new CPU's will be better than Penyrn or any other sh*t intel going to release...

The Competition must go on or intel will screw us up....Same for AMD if no competition..

There's no point in merely shrinking the fabrication process. Sure you can step down the TDP a little, but a fab-shift should be made only after their current fabrication standard has reached its limit of transistor count, peak performance, etc. For example, the Windsor 6400+ marked the dusk of the 90nm chips, it ran hot, ran hungry but ran to its potential and ran well. It did perform really well.

Now take a look at the current fab-process AMD has, 65nm. Its limit was never really reached, there never was a phenominal performing processor on this fab. So AMD should first put in all its brains to making that one magical chip before it can switch fab. It should realise that by merely shrinking a fab-size, it doesn't make a better product. And the consumer should realise that a smaller fabrication process doesn't nessesarily mean a better product. From the point-of-view of low TDP and power consumption, AMD already has 65nm parts that have a TDP <50W.

Besides, a change in fab would also imply change in the manufacturing equipment. Shrinking the fabrication process every year could prove too dear for a comapany like AMD that's already in losses

how they'll name the new ones hm.... phenomenal is used....maybe wonder that's will be !
the 2nd "native quad-core wonder"

Official statement from AMD: Dear consumers please pray all for our new 45nm CPU the "wonder" of our technology the best CPU ever designed.
P.S. Don't forget to pray daily if we f**** something in design!

:laugh:

Mind you, they're also getting help from Big Blue, as opposed to an all in-house project. IBM is THE shoulder for AMD to cry on when they start taking it from behind via Intel. Too bad they don't have the new high-k gate process on the map for Q208, thats what really got Intel ahead by so far. They need it sooner than '10, die shrinks help out a good amount, they reduce the fab costs, heat, etc. But the material change for their gates would put them back on even (or daresay higher) ground with Intel. There's a lot of companies that would saw off their leg to keep AMD in the game, and probably a handful that wouldn't mind snatching them up in the event they do close up shop.

As per the sentiment I've had since the C2D was released, I'm rooting for AMD to dig themselves out of this hole, or for IBM to drop a dime and get into the x86 market with the AMD corpse. Either would be just fine with me.

I think this might be a step in the right direction, personally. I havent tested the first batch of the Phenom processors (and lets face it, the first stepping is usually the most buggy one) but I think the Phenom would do well with a die shrink. Perhaps then, they can get the performance out of it they have been wanting.


Quick question. Anyone know when Chipmakers typically make a new revision/stepping of a chip they just came out with?

This looks good, this is amds fight against penryn/nehalem, and if amd and ibm can get their shit together, we might be look at amd coming back. OR why not just take the damn cell processor and make it socket am4 rofl

Oh the Cell would be uber. Then we could compete with Dan on animated signatures <G>

If this doesn't go well, I am 500% sure we are all going to be forced to buy a 500MHZ Celeron for $500 (for every MHZ spend $1).:cry:

Long live Intel bas....:respect:

WarEagleAUOh the Cell would be uber. Then we could compete with Dan on animated signatures <G>

:roll::roll::roll: agreed

Personally, I feel AMD should just drop the Phenom archetecture, or use it for low to mid-end applications and focus on somthing that stomps Intel's best twofold. Isn't that what we want?

Please IBM, buy AMD now!

If IBM buys AMD now, AMD is histrory in 2 years because IBM itself is a very big client of Intel with its server division (PC division sold off to Lenovo). And IBM being still such a huge company wouldn't be willing to do the risk-taking and bear the losses AMD makes in its "battles" with Intel. Instead IBM will play it safe, cut down AMD in a way that they make only a set few number of units so all of that is sold and no loss incurred. This will be a death-blow to AMD as you'll no more find a nice Processsor-in-box at your friendly neighbourhood computer store.

Everyone is pissing-and-moaning at AMD now. Just be a little more patient. Ironically nobody pissed at Intel when it was nut-kicked and brought-down to its knees with the Itanic (Itanium flop-show), The Pentium 4 EE (Emergency edition) and the Pentium D (pentium-dorked). I've known AMD to be a resiliant company and I'm sure they're upto something now.

Temporary Fix would to bring in a MCM K8, Fix Phenom, Also IMO they should work on Odd Die Shrinks instead of Following Intels Suit. Also probably switch to a GSOI or GOI or GOS CPU (Germanium Silicon on Insulator- rest is stated)

btarunrIf IBM buys AMD now, AMD is histrory in 2 years because IBM itself is a very big client of Intel with its server division (PC division sold off to Lenovo). And IBM being still such a huge company wouldn't be willing to do the risk-taking and bear the losses AMD makes in its "battles" with Intel. Instead IBM will play it safe, cut down AMD in a way that they make only a set few number of units so all of that is sold and no loss incurred. This will be a death-blow to AMD as you'll no more find a nice Processsor-in-box at your friendly neighbourhood computer store.

Everyone is pissing-and-moaning at AMD now. Just be a little more patient. Ironically nobody pissed at Intel when it was nut-kicked and brought-down to its knees with the Itanic (Itanium flop-show), The Pentium 4 EE (Emergency edition) and the Pentium D (pentium-dorked). I've known AMD to be a resiliant company and I'm sure they're upto something now.