1c3d0g:twitch: If this is true, then it means that Vista was just a stop-gap solution until they could get the "real" O.S. out, a.k.a. Windows 7. I truly believe this v.7 will be a revolutionary O.S., especially if they base it on MinWin as the kernel and WinFS as the file system. Go M$ Go! :toast:

People have been saying that from day one! There were a lot of nice features that were taken out of Vista months before it was shipped. Heck some still use the pre-release beta versions because they claim it's better. Win7, akaVienna, aka Blackcomb was in development years before Vista was released. When Vista was released a lot who have been following this development thought Vista was Vienna. Upon Vista's release we learned that Vista was some sort of branch of Vienna but not the true OS everyone is looking for. Heck as of this date we still don't know if Win7 will be the OS everyone was waiting for back then. From what I remember there was never any specific development for Vista (aka code names, etc). From what I remember back in 2005 Longhorn was changed to Vista that's when everyone thought Longhorn was Vienna but it wasn't. Longhorn was suppose to be Vienna but for whatever reasons this is when features started being removed (we later learned that Vista was built from XP). Remember folks, Blackcomb was in development since 2000 (if memory serves me correctly).

codename for vista was longhorn

I never blue screened beta 2, drivers still weren't there 100% but I never blue screened.

The other day, 1st day on the real vista 64, I had about 4 or 5 blue screens.....

Nvdia Ntune still blue screens when I hit certain things, but for the most part it's calming down on the bads.

EastCoasthandleFrom what I remember there was never any specific development for Vista (aka code names, etc).

I think you're correct. Once they killed longhorn, the rehashed XP kernel was just called vista. I think they tried to keep the longhorn name around for marketing's sake, but it wasn't that project anymore. They tried running the new stuff on top of it, but it just kept crashing. So, they removed the features one by one until they were all gone and nothing but aero ran (which still performs poorly, stardock does better than them).

Expect nothing good from the new OS. M$' track history will prove itself, once again. Any useful or "new" features will most likely be overshadowed and rendered useless by its bugs and inefficiencies.




And for the record, Vista RUNS LIKE SHIT! XP on 512 is about equal to vista with 2GB. I've used it many times on many systems and it's the same result, every time. I'm twiddling my thumbs while running apps and then I masturbate if I have to copy/move/delete files (and that's on systems that I clean up or install myself which practically doubles the speed, XP x64 FTMFW).

Sure, sure, it does work fine for email, browsing and MP3s (but then so does 2k/XP so why downgrade to vista). I installed it on my buddies comp that I built (2GB ram) and just for that stuff, it runs fine. But for any serious apps (lol), you know, something that is taxing or running multiple things, it's worthless.

^^Yup, Longhorn turned to Vista in 2005 (I think). From what I remember about Vienna:
-there was no more start button
-pure 64bit OS for servers
-32 and 64 bit OS for consumers
-completely new type of desktop that allowed .png (or something to that effect) that allowed animated icons, etc.
-no more explorer
-some sort of Pie shaped GUI menu system
-WinFS
-Monad Shell
-bunch of other stuff that I can't remember

RavenasI just spent 300$ of Vista Ultimate 64-bit OEM and now Bill Gates is telling me he doesn't like the current OS so they are going to release another to turn profit in 09.

I'm not going to spend my hard earned money on another OS anytime soon just so Bill Gates and his employees can make a profit and get paid.

If they want to do anything, they should come out with a Vista 1.1 that upgrades the current OS for a 90$-120$ price tag.

Microsoft :nutkick: Microsoft OS Users

And people wonder why Apple is growing so fast?...Microsoft kicked themselves and their consumers in the nuts hardcore with this.

I know we usually don't see eye to eye on most things, but I agree 100% with you on this. :toast: They're just trying to please the shareholders while screwing over the consumer. For them to do this right they need to follow Apple's approach on OS releases. I'm sure that everyone is sick of all the multiple versions of Windows and all the different pricing for Upgrade, Retail, and OEM. Having ONE version and ONE cost like Apple has done is brilliant! If they had done something like that with Vista chances are they wouldn't have run into the whole "Vista Capable" mess. Anyway, I feel a rant coming on so I'll stop :laugh:

My only concern and hope is that Win7 is not Fuji!

Except Apple will charge you 3,000$ for a 800$ machine that lasts you 2 years and isn't upgradeable without breaking warranties.

Seems to me MacOS is more like a 2000$ operating system...

Longhorn was canceled in 2005. It was built on a beta version of Server 2003 initially with added features such as WinFS. Unfortunately, the sidebar had a huge memory leak that Microsoft never could really fix and WinFS did nothing but take up memory. When Microsoft realized that they weren't getting anywhere, they reset development to a Server 2003 final base. At this point, nothing of the original Longhorn was left. This build was known as build 5048. You can still find it floating around the internet if you look. The only thing that it had was a crippled version of Aero. From there, Microsoft gradually added a few small things like the sidebar and voice recognition and ka-pow! there was Vista.

oh ffs, plz quite ur whining about Vista. Its a great OS, no issues what so ever. Runs good, plays good, looks good.

Hopefully the next installment of Windows will be even better, so plz (to the mindless Vista bashers) stfu. buy it, use it, then complain, other than that your just being sheep jumping on a misconcieved popular bandwagon. Granted there are flaws, and its not to everyones liking, but for me and a GREAT deal of others its fab

1c3d0g:twitch: If this is true, then it means that Vista was just a stop-gap solution until they could get the "real" O.S.

as is every os :roll:

as is every piece of hardware

its all just till something better comes along :rolleyes:

mandeloreoh ffs, plz quite ur whining about Vista. Its a great OS, no issues what so ever. Runs good, plays good, looks good.

Hopefully the next installment of Windows will be even better, so plz (to the mindless Vista bashers) stfu. buy it, use it, then complain, other than that your just being sheep jumping on a misconcieved popular bandwagon. Granted there are flaws, and its not to everyones liking, but for me and a GREAT deal of others its fab

ITS GREAT FOR YOU!?!? my... it MUST be great for everyone! How dare we complain when it has issues for us/ doesnt meet our rediculous expectaions!?!? We're such A$$&*es... We're so sorrrrrry. :nutkick:


would you like a cookie with a warm glass of milk (i might have peed in it)?

Darn all I want is a lean mean snappy OS with good driver support and at a reasonable price. Hope Windows 7 is it. Keep it simple .

phanbueyITS GREAT FOR YOU!?!? my... it MUST be great for everyone! How dare we complain when it has issues for us/ doesnt meet our rediculous expectaions!?!? We're such A$$&*es... We're so sorrrrrry. :nutkick:


would you like a cookie with a warm glass of milk (i might have peed in it)?

I think you missed the "and a great deal of others" tut tut, plz read properly

daboggeymanDarn all I want is a lean mean snappy OS with good driver support and at a reasonable price. Hope Windows 7 is it. Keep it simple .

I think it would have been a great idea to make the installation modular, so you could select what you did and didnt want, so if you wanted a quick snappy os, you could chose the minimal install, and for full bloat (why??) you could chose that. Vista, once you get rid of some crap is great!

just it would be nice to have a choice about what crap you install, i know you can make ur own DVD's, but from purchase, it would be a nice way to install

phanbueyITS GREAT FOR YOU!?!? my... it MUST be great for everyone! How dare we complain when it has issues for us/ doesnt meet our rediculous expectaions!?!? We're such A$$&*es... We're so sorrrrrry. :nutkick:


would you like a cookie with a warm glass of milk (i might have peed in it)?

Dude, lay off the Kool-Aid. We already understand that you hate Vista, so stop getting your panties in a bunch when someone disagrees with your opinion.

daboggeymanDarn all I want is a lean mean snappy OS with good driver support and at a reasonable price. Hope Windows 7 is it. Keep it simple .

amen .... ill cosign that

okok, nm, pretend i didnt mention anything (tho secretly take it fully to heart hahaha)

dont let this degenerate as with most threads. :)

Nothing to see, swiftly moving on :p

[I.R.A]_FBiamen .... ill cosign that

Windows Aero Slim :)

that would be nice

still think a modular approach would be good, so for gamers you can avoid useless crap you will never use, or for business the converse, but with the ability to add windows "modules" as you see fit

mandeloreI think it would have been a great idea to make the installation modular, so you could select what you did and didnt want, so if you wanted a quick snappy os, you could chose the minimal install, and for full bloat (why??) you could chose that. Vista, once you get rid of some crap is great!

just it would be nice to have a choice about what crap you install, i know you can make ur own DVD's, but from purchase, it would be a nice way to install

Exactly. MS should know by now from people using nLite and vLite that it would be a good idea to give those same options from the get-go. I really hope that's what they have in plan with the whole modular business.

mandeloreWindows Aero Slim :)

that would be nice

still think a modular approach would be good, so for gamers you can avoid useless crap you will never use, or for business the converse, but with the ability to add windows "modules" as you see fit

Yea, they should have made Vista Anorexic Edition while they were at it. :laugh:

They really need to drop all of the legacy support and just start over. A brand-new and fresh 64-bit only version without the bloat would be wonderful. If people need to run their legacy software, then they should keep running XP in a dual-boot. There's no sense to let that hold everything back.

mandeloreWindows Aero Slim :)

that would be nice

still think a modular approach would be good, so for gamers you can avoid useless crap you will never use, or for business the converse, but with the ability to add windows "modules" as you see fit

now thats an idea ....

thebetaguy.com/exclusives/?postid=1029344029&title=microsoft-windows-7-exclusive

A good read about Vista and Win7. Something interesting is that because of the anti-trust policies the EU demanded from MS, this led to a performance hit from the added amount of libraries. Hmm...

mandeloreoh ffs, plz quite ur whining about Vista. Its a great OS, no issues what so ever. Runs good, plays good, looks good.

Hopefully the next installment of Windows will be even better, so plz (to the mindless Vista bashers) stfu. buy it, use it, then complain, other than that your just being sheep jumping on a misconcieved popular bandwagon. Granted there are flaws, and its not to everyones liking, but for me and a GREAT deal of others its fab

:shadedshu Learn to read. I never said Vista wasn't good for anything, in fact I'm running it right now as my main and only O.S. It's still the best O.S. that came out of Redmond, IMO, regardless of what some may say. But the Vista that was promised years ago (WinFS etc.) didn't materialize. That was - and still is - a disappointment to many.

I hope, for M$'s own sake, that they will do things right with Windows 7. They have an incredible potential to make revolutionary software, but it only comes when they're under pressure (kind of like Intel, if AMD screws up you get Netburst, if AMD succeeds you get an angry Intel with a kick-ass CPU). Now that the competition is heating up, I'm quite confident that Microsoft can deliver a knock-out punch with its newest O.S. Now I can't wait for 2009! :rockout:

At what point did Bill Gates ever state that it will ship next year? He said it will be RELEASED and is talking about the testing (alpha, beta and RC) of it. That doesn't mean RTM at all. Thank you for not only reading incorrectly but also confusing people as well.

For one, there is nothing wrong with Vista right now. For two, it will take a couple years of testing both privately and publicly before they release a new version RTM. So it might actually come in 2010 or 2011.

What will be funny is the problems that will plague this release as they have with every new OS release. Drivers, old hardware, etc. If people think that Windows 7 will have none of this then they are greatly confused.

daboggeymanDarn all I want is a lean mean snappy OS with good driver support and at a reasonable price. Hope Windows 7 is it. Keep it simple .

Get ubuntu LOL