tkpenaltyNvidia fanboys got owned. I'm not a fanboy but honestly KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! Yes, AMD renamed GPUs soley based off their revision. X1950PRO should be called the X1900GT-no one pointed that out! Reason? Well RV570 is a die shrunken R580. It is a valid reason for a name change.

On the other hand Nvidia has just rebadged a GPU soley to make it sell better. That isn't really being honest, a lot of people base their descisions off product names-and its pretty stupid most of the time when they find out that they screwed themselves over.

9800GTX is a good example, why do you want a 8800GTS 512MB that costs more, runs louder (thanks to the cheap cooler), is longer, and uses more power as well as throwing in a few more uneeded features that only a person trying to chuck a world record would need???? Its similar to this. But do the consumer care? They only care how the card looks like and what its named. They THINK its a MUCH better card-when its nowhere near that.

I don't think this card will sell too well, REGARDLESS of name. Its performance is really meh-ish and the pricing of it isnt too well compared to the easily recommendable alternatives. You got the HD38xx from the AMD camp, and the 9600GT/8800GT as well.

That's basically what most others are saying. In light of this, there really is no defense for them to simply re-badge a video card simply because it didn't sell well under a different name :rolleyes:

they just want to get rid of there stock of the 8800GS

tkpenalty:shadedshu

This world is full of lies anyway. Most people lie to win.

Tell me if you were on the board at nvidia and you had X amount of g80/g whatever the number is cores lying around would you want to sell them off and make money ?, honesty don't even come into it its all strategy and planning.

Gam

Gam'sterTell me if you were on the board at nvidia and you had X amount of g80/g whatever the number is cores lying around would you want to sell them off and make money ?, honesty don't even come into it its all strategy and planning.

Gam

Yep. As I said, this world is full of lies. Don't you agree? :p I MIGHT live in Australia but you never know.

instead of rebagging them, sell them in the price range of the 8600 and then phase the 8600 out.

tkpenaltyYep. As I said, this world is full of lies. Don't you agree? :p I MIGHT live in Australia but you never know.

I agree that everyone lies of exaggerates at some point and shady practices are a part of it sometimes theres no doubting that, but its all about the £$ at the end of the day its pretty shallow but thats the way it goes, were all a slave to a wage £$ so to speak. :)

Cheers
Gam

Gam'sterI agree that everyone lies of exaggerates at some point and shady practices are a part of it sometimes theres no doubting that, but its all about the £$ at the end of the day its pretty shallow but thats the way it goes, were all a slave to a wage £$ so to speak. :)

Cheers
Gam

IMO, it's about what makes sense when someone creates a good business strategy based on current market trends that can lead to profitability. For example, what they are doing is going to cost them more, taking a guess:
-Label replacement on any remaining stock sitting in the warehouse
-Paying twice to advertise the same product, once for the 8800gs name and again under the new name
-Additional shipping costs on old stock that already shipped, etc.

This alone doesn't equal a good business strategy. IMHO, you would do better by having a blue light sale and chalk up the losses. It probably would cost less then having to rebadge old hardware hoping someone will buy it because the model number is higher.

All excellent points. Frankly I dont care as I didnt buy from them anyways. It may not be the most logical choice, the the Fanbois will cry foul if you point out there is no change (see newtekie1 above :D) I also agree with someone saying ATI should definitely push nvidia more. See what happens when you dont really have competition and a desire to 1 up someone?

EastCoasthandleIMO, it's about what makes sense when someone creates a good business strategy based on current market trends that can lead to profitability. For example, what they are doing is going to cost them more, taking a guess:
-Label replacement on any remaining stock sitting in the warehouse
-Paying twice to advertise the same product, once for the 8800gs name and again under the new name
-Additional shipping costs on old stock that already shipped, etc.

This alone doesn't equal a good business strategy. IMHO, you would do better by having a blue light sale and chalk up the losses. It probably would cost less then having to rebadge old hardware hoping someone will buy it because the model number is higher.

Yeah that makes sense, all i was saying was its was better to re-market a failing product under a new name and make a smaller loss than have the product sitting in the warehouse and not making anything at all, i wasn't trying to start an argument here :) just giving my opinion :toast:.

Gam

I'm not surprised, actually. this falls pretty good with the 8800 sub\renewed\revisited\ armada situation. the only good news for nVidia fans here is that they could now grab those G92 8800 at a very good price. as an AMD-ATi fanboy, i still think the 8800GTS rocks :toast:

first, this is nothing shocking, nvidia remarked the nforce4 chipsets as nforce500 chipsets to offload them(exect same chipset, just renamed)

and some nvidiot on the last page pointed out that ati rebadged the 1600 the 1650, well first, there was at least some CHANGE to the card, die shink, now in his eyes its ok for nvidia to totaly rename a product to sell it based on a higher number but its not ok for ati to point out that they made a change by adding a 50 to a model.......rofl


well, truth is that this dosnt suprise me at all, i have seen many companys do this, nvidias done it befor, they will do it again, sames pretty true for ati/amd, but at least their rebadging stuff has a point, and dosnt tend to be a total model number change.


oh yall will love this, i had a geeksquad manager try and convence me a hd2600 was faster then a x1900xtx......because its newer and has a bigger number, i had to explain to him that its a mid range card where as the x1900xtx is a ultra high end card of its day(the previous gen) and that the x1900xtx is like 4x the card the 2600 is :)

in the end he did some research about videocards and next time i came in he saw me and came over and told me i was correct and that he needed to keep more up on current tech so he can give good advice(hes a nice guy, just not a gamer/overclocker)

blah, whats next, they gonna bring back the 5900ultra core with a die shrink like somebody said and call it a 9 seirse?

fx5200agp = 9050gs

Wait is the 9600GSO gonna perform better than the 8800GS? Or is it the same thing with a new sticker.

and for the record - redesigning the stock cooler is not a big enough change to earn a rebadge;

It wouldn't surprise me, or bother me, if nVidia had kept the rebadging within the same series, but moving it up to the new series is a bit crooked, IMO.

Just for example, look at how much flak Creative has taken over the X-Fi Xtreme Audio being a rebadged Audigy SE which was a rebadged Live! 24-bit.

nvedia...tut tut tut...they are trying to fool the (majority)public..who are computer illiterate..and make them think its a brand spanking new card...

azazelnvedia...tut tut tut...they are trying to fool the (majority)public..who are computer illiterate..and make them think its a brand spanking new card...

True, and you do have a great point az, gotta give you that. :D

Yet this is not new or suprising in this industry by any means or any company/mfg...and in the end, even if the card is the exact same in specs and performance to the 8800GS, it's still not a bad card, and if it can be had around the $110-120-ish mark, it's still a pretty good deal for a budget gamer build. And if it uses the same chip, it'll even be decently overclockable...

Like newtekie said earlier...who cares what the badging or the name is...care about the performance that you're getting for your dollar...and hey if they're giving it a 9XXX series name...odds are it's gonna improve in performance and support (driver wise)...really I see no major losses or complaints to voice about. All I see is something for budget users to look forward to in better gaming performance, and NV get's to reap in some more sales, that's business and I guarentee any of us in that business would do the same damn thing...that's the nature of the beast.

:toast:

If I recall, the x1650 pro was just an overclocked x1600. However, the x1650gt and x1650xt were both crippled x1950 cards with the xt running faster than the gt (kinda odd because usually AMD/ATIs scheme is gt < pro < xt).

Also, why's everyone getting upset by this? IMHO, it makes great marketing/business sense for Nvidia to do it and how many of you all are really going to be affected by it? So long as these are priced reasonably between the 8600GTS and the 9600GT, I see no problems, really.

Besides, if nothing else and these really are the same card, it lets Nvidia give modders the chance to feel l337 by flashing their 8800gs to a 9000 series card and be soooo cool. ;)

easy bit of marketing there, all the OEM manufacturers can now say featuring the latest geforce 9 series graphics, i think this is a low brow move by Nvidia to shift its old stock.

devguyIf I recall, the x1650 pro was just an overclocked x1600. However, the x1650gt and x1650xt were both crippled x1950 cards with the xt running faster than the pro (kinda odd because usually AMD/ATIs scheme is gt<pro<xt).

Also, why's everyone getting upset by this? IMHO, it makes great marketing/business sense for Nvidia to do it and how many of you all are really going to be affected by it? So long as these are priced reasonably between the 8600GTS and the 9600GT, I see no problems, really.

Besides, if nothing else and these really are the same card, it lets Nvidia give modders the chance to feel l337 by flashing their 8800gs to a 9000 series card and be soooo cool. ;)

nope, the 1650xt is effectivly a cut down 1900 design, less pipes and shaders, but its got more then the 1650pro and lower by a good bit, but its not using a 1900 core, that would be stupid.

as to how it effects people, we gotta deal with explaining to people that the 9600gso/gt arent better then the 8800gt just because the numbers higher, its annoing!!!!!

[I.R.A]_FBifx5200agp = 9050gs

stop giving them ideas :P

this is dumb, all its done is given the ATi fanboys something to bitch about, good on you guys, i guess you need to pick on every little thing nvidia does since theyve been whooping ATi for over a year.

like has been already pointed out, the name on the heatsink doesn't mean dick, its whats under the heatsink that counts, and this card is a proven excellent price/performance budget gamer, so whats the problem?

business is business, gaming is gaming, nothing has changed, life goes on.

-Wolf.

its not just ati fanboi's saying it im using an 8800gt now, and a good number of the others who have called foul on this are people who own nvidia cards, the reasion this is bs is the same reasion we all called foul on the whole g92 being called 8800 and 9600/9800......because its a crock of shit.......stick with one naming convention on the same core........its like stated above next nvidia will remark old fx line cards and use them for their ultra low end line.....

i get your arguments, and i too think that it was really st00pid to move to the 9 series with a die-shrunk 8 series, but MY argument stands, IT DOESNT MATTER!

the FPS you get for your $$$ is all that matters, suck it up.

I can't wait for Intel to put an end to this crap. Once they start selling their discreet graphics cards, which is supposed to be pretty powerful stuff, I am sure AMD/ATI and Nvidia are going to have to really come up with some great products to compete.

Competition will help us all in the end. GO INTEL!

Just my thought, I'll admit (as I have before) that I'm ATI loyal, but I'll still recommend nVidia's hardware as needs be - but stuff like this . . . IMO, as long as it's out in the open, it's cool, as I don't see where the extra cost of the newer "product" justifies what will more than likely be only a software level performance increase*, and if people wish to make the purchase knowing it's a rebadge, that's their prerogative. Now, if nVidia kept hush-hush about it, I'd say that's crooked, and they would deserve a slap on the wrist.



*and if it truly is only a software level increase, with no change to the hardware, it wouldn't surprise me if 8800GS owners notice a drop in driver performance right after this cards release; and I'd also bet my money on some 3rd party drivers surfacing for the 8800 GS