Sunday, January 18th 2009

Phenom II X4 950 On The Cards

In all past roadmaps, AMD told us that its DDR3-supportive CPU lineup would begin with the Phenom II X4 945. Evidently that is not the case. From a recent DigiTimes report, there was hint given that all's not well with AMD's DDR3 plans, with the company toiling hard to get DDR3 memory run smooth and stable on AM3 socket CPUs, with integrated DDR3 memory controllers. The same report also highlighted the larger issue of both AMD and Intel being reluctant in orchestrating an industry-wide transition to the newer DDR3 memory standard across all market-segments. Amidst all this, AMD seems to have a small change of plans with its entire Phenom II lineup, with several processors earlier thought to be based on AM2+, emerging now as DDR3-supportive AM3. Also, it is known that AMD's first DDR3-supportive flagship quad-core chip will be the Phenom II X4 925, which arrives before the 945 and the newer SKU that has come to light.

Enter Phenom II X4 950, AMD's next flagship desktop CPU that succeeds the Phenom II X4 940. This one surfaced on the most recent roadmap slides. Slated for Q2 2009, this processor tentatively releases when AMD issues last-order notices to channel vendors for the Phenom II X4 920 and 940, in Q2. The processor releases alongside, or within the time-frame of the Phenom II X4 945's release. From whatever the slide tells, the 950 is merely a 100 MHz clock speed increment over the 945, with a 0.5x multiplier increase, sending its clock speed to 3.10 GHz. It is not known if the 950 comes in a Black Edition SKU with unlocked bus multipliers. Speculation is already rife that there should be a Phenom II X4 930/935, to give the 920/925 a similar 100 MHz clock speed increment, sitting on to 2.90 GHz point. All other specifications seem standard with the 950. The slide also sheds light on the company's Phenom II X4 800 series, that feature 6 MB of total cache, against the 8 MB (2 MB L2 + 6 MB L3) the 900 series chips come with. There are models running at stock speeds of 2.5 GHz, 2.6 GHz in place.
Source: PCOnline
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42 Comments on Phenom II X4 950 On The Cards

#26
1Kurgan1
The Knife in your Back
It might kill resale value, but thats why you can just wait like I am doing. The 940 is for those who don't want to wait or for those who aren't going to toss the money at a new motherboard and DDR3. Which makes it completely worth it. It's still so tempting to me, but I must resist!
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#27
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
cdawallmy highend DDR fails to beat my high end DDR2 could do CL2 up to ~550mhz was beaten out by my DDR2 pushing 1200 CL4 (this set is in another PC they are D9's)
what im getting at is clock for clock DDR1 would still whoop DDR2

Example pitting 400 MTS DDR1 at 2225 vs 800MTS DDR2 at 44410, they get the same amt of work done at same time but the DDR2 requires higher MTS to get it done, This Reminds me of how Rambus Ram worked.
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#28
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
newtekie1EOL'd after only 6 months...that sucks.
Perhaps even sooner. A report said around April.
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#29
Hayder_Master
only problem with AMD is need new platforms , like x58 and phenom with 12m cash
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#30
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
X58 came about because Intel folded and started paying NV to License SLI.
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#31
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
eidairaman1X58 came about because Intel folded and started paying NV to License SLI.
Intel didn't/doesn't pay a cent to NVIDIA for X58 motherboards getting SLI support. It's the motherboard vendors who opt for SLI support either using the BR-03, or by licensing it. NVIDIA is the one that pushed this SLI on X58 deal through, since it doesn't have an LGA-1366 chipset and was too late in getting development support from Intel for the QuickPath Interconnect technology. Had NVIDIA not given away SLI, it would have lost gobs and gobs of market-share to AMD with ATI CrossFireX being supported by all Intel multi-GPU supportive chipsets, X58 included. All enthusiasts with Core i7 rigs would've chosen ATI Radeon accelerators for multi-GPU setups and that would've hit NVIDIA's sales.
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#32
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
so your saying this was a last minute decision for nvidia, because i always thought intel and nvidia butted heads anyway, so NV decided to go thru the board makers to get SLI on X58, well i thought that would actually cause a redflag to be put up but i guess it doesnt because the MCP is just like the audio chip they use for onboard audio, thus doesnt violate anything.
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#33
adrianx
soo

ddr3 ... only 1333 on amd :P same performance with ddr2 1066 :D

so... wait and see
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#34
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
eidairaman1so your saying this was a last minute decision for nvidia, because i always thought intel and nvidia butted heads anyway, so NV decided to go thru the board makers to get SLI on X58, well i thought that would actually cause a redflag to be put up but i guess it doesnt because the MCP is just like the audio chip they use for onboard audio, thus doesnt violate anything.
No, they had no choice. Without access to the technicals of QPI, they couldn't make a chipset of their own. Normally 3~4 months of development goes into making a new chipset (that's what it roughly took for them to make the nForce 780a that supports the new HyperTransport 3.0 @ 5.2 GT/s), and NVIDIA got access to QPI only a couple of weeks before Bloomfield became official. Even these few months lost without an SLI-supportive LGA-1366 chipset would've dented NVIDIA's sales. Taken that the number of people who actually end up with multi-GPU setups are lesser than the already small fraction of the market the Bloomfield created around itself, but the fact that the fastest-available desktop benching/gaming platform becomes Intel X58 + ATI CrossFireX would have definitely impact NVIDIA in other segments as well. So the simplest option was to allow motherboard manufacturers (not Intel) to optionally support SLI on their X58 offerings. You will note that not all X58 boards support SLI, and hence the dealing isn't between NVIDIA and Intel. It's between NVIDIA and the motherboard industry.
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#35
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
btarunrNo, they had no choice. Without access to the technicals of QPI, they couldn't make a chipset of their own. Normally 3~4 months of development goes into making a new chipset (that's what it roughly took for them to make the nForce 780a that supports the new HyperTransport 3.0 @ 5.2 GT/s), and NVIDIA got access to QPI only a couple of weeks before Bloomfield became official. Even these few months lost without an SLI-supportive LGA-1366 chipset would've dented NVIDIA's sales. Taken that the number of people who actually end up with multi-GPU setups are lesser than the already small fraction of the market the Bloomfield created around itself, but the fact that the fastest-available desktop benching/gaming platform becomes Intel X58 + ATI CrossFireX would have definitely impact NVIDIA in other segments as well. So the simplest option was to allow motherboard manufacturers (not Intel) to optionally support SLI on their X58 offerings. You will note that not all X58 boards support SLI, and hence the dealing isn't between NVIDIA and Intel. It's between NVIDIA and the motherboard industry.
ya and intel could stop that right then and there but then i guess that would hurt Intel, the Mobo Makers, and Nvidia, wed be running Intel boards again like we did during the P1-P3.
(i know makers were out there with diff chipsets but thats and example)
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#36
Mega-Japan
I was planning on getting the PII 945 as it was the rumored Black Edition. But as of this announcements, now things get picky.
Which one will be my unlocked Black chip? Like most people, I'll pray for both but I highly doubt it.
How much extra will AMD charge for the 950 compared to the 945? If they charge over $100 only for those 100MHz, that would be very silly of them, that is, unless they prove to me that it can OC to 4GHz on air.

My other concern is about their chipset's next step. Will we get to see the 800 chipset series when these models are out? Or will we stick to the 790FX as highest-end for the green logo?
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#37
ShadowFold
945 IS black. Paulieg had one and it was unlocked.
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#38
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
945 is black i have paulie's on the way
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#39
spearman914
hayder.masteronly problem with AMD is need new platforms , like x58 and phenom with 12m cash
Lol. 12m cash as in 12million $.
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#40
Mega-Japan
Since 945 is black, then I doubt 950 will be black as well, but I'll be praying that it's not as well and they do a double black release. That'd definitely kick ass.
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#41
Jakl
spearman914Lol. 12m cash as in 12million $.
lolololol new sig
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#42
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Mega-JapanSince 945 is black, then I doubt 950 will be black as well, but I'll be praying that it's not as well and they do a double black release. That'd definitely kick ass.
it will be just like the 9850BE being replaced with the 9950BE
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