While this is good news for AMD - and the CPU industry as a whole - I can't help but wonder what's going to happen when Core i5 arrives at the same price as Phenom II and makes the K10 architecture look outdated.

Also, I'd like to see stats on which processors are giving the biggest boost to AMD - my bet is that the X3s are responsible. Selling not-quite-up-to-spec quad cores as triple core CPUs was probably the best decision AMD have made in a long time - dual-core is perfect for gaming, quad-core is pefect for multimedia, and triple-core is a good compromise between both.

AssimilatorWhile this is good news for AMD - and the CPU industry as a whole - I can't help but wonder what's going to happen when Core i5 arrives at the same price as Phenom II and makes the K10 architecture look outdated.

Also, I'd like to see stats on which processors are giving the biggest boost to AMD - my bet is that the X3s are responsible. Selling not-quite-up-to-spec quad cores as triple core CPUs was probably the best decision AMD have made in a long time - dual-core is perfect for gaming, quad-core is pefect for multimedia, and triple-core is a good compromise between both.

You're assuming the i5 will blow away the P2s latest incarnation. Thats a big assumption.

It has been a great year for AMD

TheMailMan78You're assuming the i5 will blow away the P2s latest incarnation. Thats a big assumption.

yep, and i don't see i5 blowing away phenom II's, at least not in gaming. if you looks at the benchmarks now, i7 in some games does blow away the competition, yet their retail is 1.5-3x as much as the Phenom II 940, which matches the Q9650 in most benchmarks and occasionally beats it, while usually only trailing the i7 by 2-5fps with a few exceptions. AMD did a good job on Phenom II and if its close to i7's tail in gaming then i dout i5 is going to blow it away. we shall see.

Sweet news. Yes, let all of us Fanboys rejoice. Everyone was saying AMD was done for. Yet strangely this is good news. The new architecture may need to come before 2011 though.

WarEagleAUSweet news. Yes, let all of us Fanboys rejoice. Everyone was saying AMD was done for. Yet strangely this is good news. The new architecture may need to come before 2011 though.

You'd think with all the money they must be raking in that they would hurry up and get that out.. all I know is I want a 4ghz Phenom X6 :laugh:

DarknovaSee? Everyone loves AMD really ^_^

No, everyone loves norp, see sig

ShadowFoldYou'd think with all the money they must be raking in that they would hurry up and get that out.. all I know is I want a 4ghz Phenom X6 :laugh:

eh lol, they've had a hard time, and i don't dout they're doing the best they can to create an architecture that can close the gap between them and intel. 4Ghz Phenom x6 haha, that'd be interesting. Though i can see Intel doing an 8-core chip similar to the way they did the c2q series with 2 dies. duno if that would work with IMC or not

ImsochoboIT ALL COMES DOWN TO THIS:

Do you encode movies? Core 7

Encode and play games : core 7.

Casual use: PHII

Gaming : PHII / Core 7.

Yes, but my slower is money in my pocket. :rockout:

i really don't care about market share. the important for me is performance. there Intel rules/dominates.

ImsochoboI will contribute with a little experience here. from a longtime intel fan, who realized he got screewed by buying P4's all the time, and switched to AMD.

And he had his X2 for soo long, and he now bought a PHII. so lets take the price. its at 9000 NOK (900 quid, uk pounds) , which is like nothing for a system that runs games like that.

PH II 940 running stock. stock cooler.
4870X2
Gigabyte MA790FX-DS5
Crucial ballistix pc8500.
Antec sonata 3. changed psu to Pc power & cooling 750W
And a samsung drive @ 1tb.

And well, he runs 1680x1050, and he havnt seen a game lagg yet, other than crysis with AA and Cryostasis(which needs either 4870x2CF or GTX295, and physx graphics card to run smooth at max.

and he is soo pleased, and he have had his system for a while now.

He couldnt have built that system cheap without the PHII, it would have gotten 100-200 uk pounds more expensive with intel core 2 or core 7. and would not have given a better experience!

So do you game, not a bad choice, but its up to you, and how the pricing is in youre country, ati is hilariously cheap over here, while its other way round in other countries.

No wonder why amd is taking a piece of the cake, those tricores are just amazing for their price :D

They are also fun to oc, but not fun to do encoding at, maybe it changes in near future, would be cool with better compotition all across the board :D

Core 7 is still a masterpiece of a cpu though.

hehe, your nearly my copy, i also got a Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DS5, HD 4870 (non X2), OCZ Gold PC64000 4GB Dual Channel, 2x 1TB Samsung F1s, i also got a Phenom 9850 BE (gonna get a Phenom II 955 soon)

if you compare i7 with Phenom II at gaming, they are just as fast, unless you game on 640x480 resolution and uber low details

Phenom II is faster than the similar priced Core 2 Quads (Phenom II 940 vs Q9400)
on encoding Phenom II is as fast as a Q9550

Phenom IIs have higher lowest framerate, that translate into smoother gameplay in games

given the fact that AMDs phenom was before its time, they couldnt add more L3 cache to it, so they just made it like it was, ok budget cpu for anything

Phenom II has all the L3 Cache it needs and then many tweaks, to fix some performance bottlenecks

@Imsochobo how fast does your stock HT run on that motherboard?, Gigabyte removed 9850 BE support on my board after i bought it! :(

am using Bios F5 it works fine with 9850 BE, anything higher just reboots system, damn Gigabyte!

mdm-adph...while being optimized to run on Intel chips, of course. It's like saying Nvidia cards are "faster" at gaming because they always beat ATI's cards in Crysis benchmarks -- I don't believe that, either.

No it isn't. It came out in the days of P4 and A64. A64 kicked P4's ass in it.

Seriously, I get so sick of people claiming that a benchmark is "optimized" for a particular cpu. That is almost never the case in actuality.

Wile ENo it isn't. It came out in the days of P4 and A64. A64 kicked P4's ass in it.

Seriously, I get so sick of people claiming that a benchmark is "optimized" for a particular cpu. That is almost never the case in actuality.

How do you feel about GPUs? The way its meant to be played conspiracy?

TheMailMan78How do you feel about GPUs? The way its meant to be played conspiracy?

It's just that, a conspiracy. Sure, nVidia may help them getting it running smoother on their hardware, but not at the expense of ATI's performance. In fact, there have been quite a few TWIMTBP titles where ATI has reigned supreme.

No Kidding, UT2003/4 ran great on a AMD combo.

Sweet! AMD kicking ass again! :rockout:

I always said that their pricing and marketing techniques are what is going to drive Intel down. They may not be as superior chips, but for a LOT less cash, they stand up to mighty Intels beefy expensive processors in performance for gamers and the everyday user.

ImsochoboIT ALL COMES DOWN TO THIS:

Do you encode movies? Core 7

Encode and play games : core 7.

Casual use: PHII

Gaming : PHII / Core 7.

and then there is the money.

Core 2 series are outdated, wont come new cpu's to the platform, soo, that leaves AM2 and AM3 a good platform.

Many users with AM2 boards from 2005 2006, can actually snatch up on theese cpu's and put them in, yeah AM3 ones too, so you can use AM3 cpu's on Nforce 3 chipset :D

Core7 is faster, but for what price. its faster at numbercrunching and encode stuff. gaming too, but not by much.

Use the money on a GTX295 or 4870x2. or just a normal gfx, or a 2nd one. like i did :D

more like this
if your rich = i7
if your not rich = Phenom II
:D

Intel
$288.99 = Core i7 920
$224.99 = MSI X58 Platinum
$90.99 = OCZ 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
$169.99 HIS Radeon HD 4870 512MB
= $774.96

AMD Rig #1
$225.00 = AMD Phenom II X4 940
$99.99 = JetWay JHA04-LF 790FX
$91.98 = OCZ 8GB DDR2 1066 (2x OCZ 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066)
$249.99 MSI Radeon HD 4890 OC 1GB
= $666.96

AMD Rig #2
$225.00 = AMD Phenom II X4 940
$99.99 = JetWay JHA04-LF 790FX
$45.99 = OCZ 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066
$429.99 = Sapphire Radoen HD 4870 X2 2GB
= $800.97

all prices are from newegg.com

Wile EIt's just that, a conspiracy. Sure, nVidia may help them getting it running smoother on their hardware, but not at the expense of ATI's performance. In fact, there have been quite a few TWIMTBP titles where ATI has reigned supreme.

assassins creed developer was gagged and slapped by nvidia when ati owned nvidia in the game :P

good news.

and a little FYI for you all, i5 is just a core2 chip with IMC, the performance isnt that much better, infact many benches dont show any signifigant gain at all.

i5 also is plant to be very hard to overclock, intel wants to block overclocking unless u buy their "enthusist" platforms, they have been working on ways to make the cpu fail if you overclock it(no joke)

so well, i will stick with my amd rigs, I cant see amd removing clocking from their cpu's, hell their black edition chips are a great buy IMHO.

FryingWeeseland a little FYI for you all, i5 is just a core2 chip with IMC, the performance isnt that much better, infact many benches dont show any signifigant gain at all.

i5 also is plant to be very hard to overclock, intel wants to block overclocking unless u buy their "enthusist" platforms, they have been working on ways to make the cpu fail if you overclock it(no joke)

Source?? :eek:

just what i been told by a friend who works for intel, it was an easy "upgrade" adding IMC to the core2 design and the cores are cheaper then i7 cores.

as to the overclocking, intel wants people who are going to overclock to buy chips they have rated for such on a platform they rated for such, a platform with a significantly higher priced platform mind you!!!

apparently intel cancled i3 and i4 (what where orignaly gonna be the core2 based chips with IMC) due to OEM's not wanting to have so many diffrent things/names to deal with, can u really blame company's like dell, they want to make sure most of their systems are just variations on a theme like most of their towers use the same matx/mbtx boards just diffrent chips and cases most of the time, maby a diffrent bios to, I have taken apart enought dells to know that many times the high end setups are the same board/ram as the "high end" stuff just that they stick better cpu and sometimes ram into the higher end board...(either way it still sucks:P )

Also i5 requiers ddr3, something amd rigs dont need, even AM3 setups dont show much if any gain by moving to ddr3, and currently ddr3 still costs more then equivlant ddr2 sets :/

intel already pushed back i5 and amd am3(at least a bit) due to the ecoimy and fact that ddr3 costs more and dosnt give any real benifit over ddr2 currently.

we will see what happens, i know that im not in any rush to upgrade, this systems able to play all my games at 1600x1200 without any hiccups so why upgrade it?

8800gts 512mb(at higher then 9800gtx/gtx+ clocks)
4gb wintec ampx ddr2 800@960
2gb hynix ddr2 667@960
6000+@3.3xx

i have setup phenom systems for people, as well as 2 pII systems and 1 i7 rig, really the diffrances in my day to day use would be small by moving up currently, i7 is over priced, phenom1/2 are nice but not a big enought leap for me to bother buying a new chip yet(my board can take any am2/am2+/am3 chip amd makes)

why upgrade when you dont need to?

sure i could speed up my encoding, but...meh i dont do as much of that as i use to, and my systems not to slow at that anyway, start a batch and go to bed, get up and its done :)

I kinda expected that AMD would regain some of market shares. I mean Core i7 isn't exactly cheap. It's a multi-task monster, but the price tag is just too high.

My main system is i7 920 and using BONIC at only 50% cpu cores at 90% cpu usage gives me 9000 WCG points a day at stock speed.
There is little doubt to me that i7 is good. The problem is that the only chipset that can support is X58 which is, let's face it, ridiculously expensive even for the lowest end mobo.

At the moment, AMD's Phenom II is on par (If not a little better) against outdated Core 2. AMD mobo is dirt cheap compared to X58 mobo as well. It's a very attractive choice for gaming rigs.

Hector is gone and AMD starts to blossom. lol !

alucasaI kinda expected that AMD would regain some of market shares. I mean Core i7 isn't exactly cheap. It's a multi-task monster, but the price tag is just too high.

My main system is i7 920 and using BONIC at only 50% cpu cores at 90% cpu usage gives me 9000 WCG points a day at stock speed.
There is little doubt to me that i7 is good. The problem is that the only chipset that can support is X58 which is, let's face it, ridiculously expensive even for the lowest end mobo.

At the moment, AMD's Phenom II is on par (If not a little better) against outdated Core 2. AMD mobo is dirt cheap compared to X58 mobo as well. It's a very attractive choice for gaming rigs.

Hector is gone and AMD starts to blossom. lol !

also something else to note about this, your not gonna see any non-intel chipsets for at least a while for i7 because intel is insisting that nVidias licence dosnt cover making chipsets for i7(they are going to court over it) so intels got you tied in, you WILL use intel board and intel chipset, no other choice.....

amd you can use

ati/amd chipset, nvidia chipset, sis(seen a couple boards for am2+ with sis's older sets), and there are LOTS of chipsets to choose from, amd/ati 690,740,780,790x,790fx,790gx, nvidia nf3/4/5/6/7 chipsets all can be used, really theres a HUGE slection of boards that can take a phenom2 :) my ta770 can take phenom2 and it only cost me like 45bucks shiped from newegg a year or so ago :) (overclocks like a beast to!!!)

I personally have no problem using intel-only motherboards. I've had terrible experiences with Nvidia chipsets. They can go bye-bye for me.
Though, as it stands now, it seems that Intel is trying to have everything their way. Perhaps, success of Core 2 has blinded them.

I use all builds I create for BONICing, so I prefer Intel CPU since they are more efficient at it. If it weren't for that, I'd go for building AMD rigs.

I may not look it, but I was once a hardcore AMD supporter (A fanboy as you may call.), but I got burned hard with AMD quad-FX 4x4 platform and AMD B2 Barcelona CPUs fiasco. Ever since those incidents, I feel uncomfortable going for AMD rigs.

But, you know, ultimately everyone will have their ups and downs. Intel has enjoyed their ups for years now. It's time for AMD to have some although, at this point, AMD is nowhere close having their former glorious days as Athlon XP days.

alucasaHector is gone and AMD starts to blossom. lol !

That surprising? :D