Advice for 32gb 3600 kit

[MaurizioC]

this is with compare

I know it says b die but somene said this is a bad quality b die... let'see

 

[Cowboystrekk]

I would try 3200 fast preset first, not manual as it sets some really weird timings. If 3200 fast works tryk working your way up. If it`s really B-die you will probably get 3733 fast to work without problems even if the bin is poor. Thaiphoon sometimes reports wrong die, but usually it is correct.

 

[MaurizioC]

The screenshot is for safe what you mean with manual?

I tried changed the frequency in the ryzen calculator but it raise the timing to 16-19-18 and so already at 3400

 

[Cowboystrekk]

The screenshot is for safe what you mean with manual?

I tried changed the frequency in the ryzen calculator but it raise the timing to 16-19-18 and so already at 3400

You set PCB rev to manual. Try A2 og A0. It will give better timings and will probably work unless bin is terrible.

 

[Zach_01]

If you check the "DRAM PCB revision" on the left you will see 4 choises. Yours (and mine) are the A0 as stated by Thaiphoon. A2/A3/B2 may be the best. Ours is not, and they are not totally bad either.

Look dont mind too much about the primary timings. Probably these sticks cant do much about it. You should focus on increasing speed and low the tRC and tRFC first.

I'm running this with DRAM 1.46V stable without memory errors.

This is my sticks. A little different at delay times (ns), speed rated (3466) and single ranked as they are 2x8GB.

Safe:

Fast:

 

[MaurizioC]

but Zach your kit is a 16gb 3466, mine is a 32gb 3200.

Maybe I can start trying the safe settings at 3200 and see gains and stability

 

[Zach_01]

but Zach your kit is a 16gb 3466, mine is a 32gb 3200.

Maybe I can start trying the safe settings at 3200 and see gains and stability

Yes, so I said so when mentioned the Dual vs Single rank, but the thing is that the chips are capable of more speed and tighter timings. The thing is that b-dies need volts to work higher/faster, unlike other Hynix dies. Also b-dies past 1.44~1.45V its better to have adequate cooling. With extra cooling (a fan) its safe even at 1.5V

Do you have AIDA software? Its a paid one but you can use the memory benchmark for free with some info hidden.

I dont expect the dual ranked sticks to get too high as they put double the stress to the CPU memory controller but should try.

 

[mxking035]

You can verify if it's real B-Die in Thaiphoon Burner, Read and click Report >> find for "Module Speed Grade"
If its written downbin, probably a bad bin or C-Die

 

[MaurizioC]

Here it is:

Physical & Logical Attributes

Fundamental Memory Class:	DDR4 SDRAM
Module Speed Grade:	DDR4-2133P downbin
Base Module Type:	UDIMM (133,35 mm)
Module Capacity:	16 GB
Reference Raw Card:	B0 (8 layers)
JEDEC Raw Card Designer:	Micron Technology
Module Nominal Height:	31 < H <= 32 mm
Module Thickness Maximum, Front:	1 < T <= 2 mm
Module Thickness Maximum, Back:	1 < T <= 2 mm
Number of DIMM Ranks:	2
Address Mapping from Edge Connector to DRAM:	Mirrored

 

[mxking035]

"MaurizioC, post: 4369579, member: 202047"]
Here it is:

Physical & Logical Attributes

So you can't do any better.
Zach_01 has probably real B-Die as his tRFC is very low 373.

 

[MaurizioC]

shall I try the safe preset?

I assume that even if my ram is not that good still the gainings from a better kit would not be worth the expense?

 

[mxking035]

shall I try the safe preset?

I assume that even if my ram is not that good still the gainings from a better kit would not be worth the expense?

You can try while you decide. It's a good start for overclocking. Just limit your SOC, Proc, CLDO_VDDG/VDDP.
Otherwise it's not worth it to go higher voltages to gain small performance.

Real B-Die is double price
For example Zach_01 16GB (134$) is far more expensive than your 32GB (110$).

So i suggest you proceed with your initial plan F4-3600C16D-32GVKC which is cheap and Hynix DJR.
Atleast you can still hit Bandwith of 59-60GB/s and Latency of 65s with 32GB with same price as Zach_01 16GB.

And some user running 64GB 3800 3800 16-19-19-19-36 with F4-3600C16D-32GVKC.

 

[Zach_01]

I think we both have b-dies but different speed and grade (2133P downbin vs 2666U).



Here is the latest:
DRAM 1.47V with cooling (case fan 800rpm).

Most of timings are manually configured and some tighter than DRAMcalc suggests including tRFC. Other looser. If I had tRFC auto it would be like 665. On XMP profile (3466) was 607.

So i suggest you proceed with your initial plan F4-3600C16D-32GVKC which is cheap and Hynix DJR.
Atleast you can still hit Bandwith of 59-60GB/s and Latency of 65s with 32GB with same price as Zach_01 16GB.

And some user running 64GB 3800 3800 16-19-19-19-36 with F4-3600C16D-32GVKC.

Yes but as it has been proven by some gaming/software benchmarks earlier this is not worth the money. Its different if he had no RAM at all and wanted to buy now. But he already paid for pair and investing for another one, wont get back the return.

 

[MaurizioC]

so for the moment I would just test the performance of tuning the timing of my current kit without touching the frequency.

Any advice? Do I just need to set those timings in the bios? Do I need to modify the voltage (how to read the voltage block?)

 

[Zach_01]

Lets say, you are modifing some timings and you're back in windows. How would you know if the new settings are better or not? Gaming? You wont see anything there.
You need a memory bencmark score as a baseline for stock. A starting point. I use AIDA64. You can use it as freeware, but not all the functions it has.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Quick easy test is open command prompt as administrator
Type
winsat mem
Hit the enter key.
Repeat 2-3 times should give you a quick idea.

Here's a crazy one lol

 

[mxking035]

Lets say, you are modifing some timings and you're back in windows. How would you know if the new settings are better or not? Gaming? You wont see anything there.
You need a memory bencmark score as a baseline for stock. A starting point. I use AIDA64. You can use it as freeware, but not all the functions it has.

He can actually sell it, same as I did, same amount I used to buy, from 4x8gb corsair lpx 3600c18 downbin to 2x16gb g.skill ripjaws.
And I see he is wanting to change so he has some money .

If he can boot 3200 CL14 then its good.

so for the moment I would just test the performance of tuning the timing of my current kit without touching the frequency.

Any advice? Do I just need to set those timings in the bios? Do I need to modify the voltage (how to read the voltage block?)

Can you try this? Don't set XMP/DOCP while doing manual.
See if it boots.

 

[MaurizioC]

so the safe preset did not work, I left the voltages at auto is it correct?

If I disable XMP/DOCP the only other options is auto

 

[Zach_01]

If you disable XMP/DOCP then you must dial other settings manually.

For example:

1. DRAM speed: 3466MHz (or x34.66)
2. DRAM voltage: 1.38V
3. Primary timings (first 6): 16-18-18-18-36-54
4. tRRDS: 7
5. tFAW: 28
6. GearDownMode: Enabled
7. PowerDownMode: Disabled
8. procODT: 48
9. tRFC: 494
10. CAD_BUS Block Ω: 30 - 20 - 24 - 24 (from top to bottom)

Everything else on Auto.

 

[mxking035]

so the safe preset did not work, I left the voltages at auto is it correct?

If I disable XMP/DOCP the only other options is auto

You are asking for advice but still you are sticking with Dram Calculator 3200mhz safe preset
We are advising you to go more than 3200. I don't think you will boot CL14.

 

[MaurizioC]

You are asking for advice but still you are sticking with Dram Calculator 3200mhz safe preset
We are advising you to go more than 3200. I don't think you will boot CL14.

I just wanted to try the safe 3200 too but each try takes time.

I now tried your advice too for which I thank you but still no boot.

 

[mxking035]

I just wanted to try the safe 3200 too but each try takes time.

I now tried your advice too for which I thank you but still no boot.

You can take photo of you bios how you set voltages and dram timings

 

[ThrashZone]

I just wanted to try the safe 3200 too but each try takes time.

I now tried your advice too for which I thank you but still no boot.

Hi,
On a c16 set of 3200, c14 is not a safe bet
If the set was capable of doing c14 it would of been rated for that cl.

If you had 3600c16 it could do c14 timings easily.

 

[Zach_01]

You can take sceenshots of BIOS by pressing F12 and have a usb flashdrive plugged in on FAT32.

 

[MaurizioC]

Ok I managed to take BIOS screenshots thanks to Zack advice

Thank you for checking this

While the title only mentions 2x8 kits, Buildzoid does delve into talking about what to buy for 32GB as well:

A part from trying settings again and taking screenshots, I watched this video again.

He says that b-die ram kits are for overclock and unless you do not want to overclock hard you can avoid paying big money for them.

It also seems to me that dual rank configuration are superior than single rank configuration

and this articole from tomshardware seems to recomend dual rank memory too:

Ryzen Above: Best Memory Settings for AMD's 3000 CPUs, Tested

Is Ryzen 3000 optimized for DDR4-3200? What if we want more? We examine everything from frequency to rank count to nail down optimal settings.

www.tomshardware.com

In first place I bought my 3200 c16 kit because of this article since my kit is dual rank and 1T

so mayve there are less expensive options to consider?