12Gb GPUs already obsolete, brand new game takes up to 18Gb Vram at 1440p

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

I'm not 100% sure how the XBSX memory bus is arranged. There are 10 GDDR6 packages, and the fast partition is 320-bit so presumably that's 10 32-bit memory controllers.

If 6 of those packages are double-stacked, it means that the 6GB slow partition gets its own memory controllers, meaning the XBSX has a 512-bit bus in total, split 320/192 for fast/slow partitions respectively.

On the other hand if 6 of those packages are just double-density, then it means the XBSX is a 320-bit device and the slow partition competes with bandwidth for the fast partition. This seems less likely to me but I honestly don't know how it's done.

Series X is 320 bus, while the ps5 is 256 bus, so even with 500$ consoles, not only you get more ram, but also a bigger bit bus than a 600$ rtx 4070

 

[QuietBob]

Wikipedia has the details somewhere but IIRC the XBXS's "slow" partition is almost as fast as the XBSS's fast partition, so it's not actually too bad.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Have fun with your poorly coded release day games and bugs. Hope the "hype" is worth it.

Great reply , not worth me checking back in, I'm not buying it, never said I was but your copium strategy doesn't make it right.

Also is that game the f#@##@# topic no, I know you know that, yet can't help once that copium itch is triggered eh.

 

[Chrispy_]

I look forward to people continueing to complain about hardware demands in every single game developped for current gen consoles (ps5)... "shit code, poor optimization, 4gb vram and 4 cpu cores should be enough!!!!111"...

In fairness to those people, the evidence is VERY STRONG that most of the offending titles were, in fact, just shit code and poor optimisation.

Forspoken, Callisto Protocol, Hogwarts, TLoU - all of them were patched and now run MUCH better, proving that the developer just rushed out a half-baked, buggy mess that hadn't been optimised properly for release. Half-baked, buggy mess appears to be rapidly becoming the default state for new games, sadly.

 

[dgianstefani]

Great reply , not worth me checking back in, I'm not buying it, never said I was but your copium strategy doesn't make it right.

Also is that game the f#@##@# topic no, I know you know that, yet can't help once that copium itch is triggered eh.

Go outside and touch some grass.

In fairness to those people, the evidence is VERY STRONG that most of the offending titles were, in fact, just shit code and poor optimisation.

Forspoken, Callisto Protocol, Hogwarts, TLoU - all of them were patched and now run MUCH better, proving that the developer just rushed out a half-baked, buggy mess that hadn't been optimised properly for release. Half-baked, buggy mess appears to be rapidly becoming the default state for new games, sadly.

Exactly.

And maybe the devs of these games with bad coding and optimization would learn not to release games in that state if noone bought or preordered until reviews confirmed it ran well with no issues. But hype wins out, so here we are.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Go outside and touch some grass.

Exactly.

And maybe the devs of these games with bad coding and optimization would learn not to release games in that state if noone bought or preordered until reviews confirmed it ran well with no issues. But hype wins out, so here we are.

Make and then smell some coffee??.

 

[Batou1986]

You guys do realize that consoles have shared memory pools, there is no way these games are getting 16gb of vram likely not even 12gb.
This is just par for the course terrible game optimiziation and crap ports, its nothing new its been like this since gpus had 2gb of vram.

edit: that being said any modern GPU above the x060 non Ti tier should be coming with more than 8gb of vram and a memory bus that can actually use it.

 

[wolf]

VRAM usage will climb the longer you play, after 15min the game is using over 21GB VRAM.
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How is it visually VS the first game? Seems like some people deem right on 60fps even a bit under is "just fine" and they don't know what wpople are complaining about.

 

[dgianstefani]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Force publishers to learn by voting with wallet, nothing else works with corpos.

 

[64K]

The old saying:

Money talks,
Bullshit walks

 

[freeagent]

Everyone is worried about how much vram their card has.. this guy is enjoying just playing his games with his 8GB card

Quit paying to beta test shit, life is better that way

 

[dgianstefani]

Everyone is worried about how much vram their card has.. this guy is enjoying just playing his games with his 8GB card

Quit paying to beta test shit, life is better that way

No, noooooo, your card is obsolete! IT'S OBSOLETE! You can't have fun!!!

 

[Chrispy_]

Everyone is worried about how much vram their card has.. this guy is enjoying just playing his games with his 8GB card

Quit paying to beta test shit, life is better that way

Steam deck seems to be doin' just fine with 4GB VRAM.
Who needs textures on a 7" screen anyway?

 

[Dragam1337]

Everyone is worried about how much vram their card has.. this guy is enjoying just playing his games with his 8GB card

Quit paying to beta test shit, life is better that way

Im having a great time with this game, just as i did with the last of us

 

[Dirt Chip]

In fairness to those people, the evidence is VERY STRONG that most of the offending titles were, in fact, just shit code and poor optimisation.

Forspoken, Callisto Protocol, Hogwarts, TLoU - all of them were patched and now run MUCH better, proving that the developer just rushed out a half-baked, buggy mess that hadn't been optimised properly for release. Half-baked, buggy mess appears to be rapidly becoming the default state for new games, sadly.

Yep, that, and as sad as it is some consider that half-baked AAA as the bare minimum that the GPU must crash through.
Or just use it as excuse to bash NV for cheaping out on Vram. Thay are, but those broken games are not the right reasons to draw the sword. Doing so just weakness the possibility valid argument (NV deliberately chop Vram to shorten the "buy new" cycle by consumer while AMD are more generous on Vram)

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Force publishers to learn by voting with wallet, nothing else works with corpos.

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About 70% of steam users have 8gb vram or below according to the survey, so it makes sense, meanwhile Nvidia is preparing more 8gb cards, this is absurd

 

[dgianstefani]

About 70% of steam users have 8gb vram or below according to the survey, so it makes sense, meanwhile Nvidia is preparing more 8gb cards, this is absurd

8 GB, 18 GB, 21 GB, at which point is the problem the game and it's demands, not some arbitrary number you decide is inappropriate for GPUs.

 

[Sithaer]

Game has more than just Vram issues anyway.
I've watched my usual go to budget channel's benchmark stream last night and the game couldn't even properly utilize cards like a GTX 1650/RTX 3050 with a 10400F and had drops down to low 30s regardless of the settings while the GPU wasn't even maxed out sometimes sitting at 60-70% only. 'That CPU is more than capable of maxing out such cards anyway in any normal game'

Imo the game hardly looks better than the first game if RT is turned off so well done I guess?

I've finished the first game on a 1600X/GTX 1070 maxed out '2560x1080' with drops only on specific maps/zones with a bigger view distance/details in the background and even then it wasn't lower than ~50 fps so nothing bothersome on my end.

I guess I will only play this game at a much later point when its patched and discounted/added to gamepass maybe.

 

[Bomby569]

I guess I will only play this game at a much later point when its patched and discounted/added to gamepass maybe.

the 1st one still has problems like stutters to this day. Grab a chair

 

[Sithaer]

the 1st one still has problems like stutters to this day. Grab a chair

Thats the 'standard' UE 4 stutter which I'm more than used to by now and can't really do anything about it.
Other than that the game ran fine on my end and it caused me no problems during my playthrough.

If this second game ends up running like at least the first then its good enough for me. 'can't and don't expect miracles anymore'

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Force publishers to learn by voting with wallet, nothing else works with corpos.

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Agreed, stop buying high end cards off Nvidia with not enough Vram on.

Only entry level and bottom mainstream should be rocking sub 12GB now.

And On topic because the game is an example, Not the point.

 

[sepheronx]

Everyone is worried about how much vram their card has.. this guy is enjoying just playing his games with his 8GB card

Quit paying to beta test shit, life is better that way

What a beta comment man. This site is all about performance and nothing about price. Some people here will upgrade to latest and greatest every release because they are true alphas.

But being serious, its a real issue regarding poor optimization and that the result requires having to spend much more for a GPU rather than devs properly optimize their games. 8GB should be enough but it just ain't now because of devs.

 

[JustBenching]

Agreed, stop buying high end cards off Nvidia with not enough Vram on.

Only entry level and bottom mainstream should be rocking sub 12GB now.

And On topic because the game is an example, Not the point.

DLSS Q + textures high looks better on hogwarts for example than native + textures ultra. Therefore nvidia cards play the game with better image quality, as is the case with most games. That's why I buy nvidia. I care about image quality

 

[AusWolf]

Just fired up the game at 4k without FSR, and 58 fps cap, fully expecting a shitshow (not really)... but lo and behold, as usual, it was sensationalist bs, and it runs just fine.

No RT

RT

It runs on a 4090? Who would have thought?

 

[JustBenching]

The bottom line for me is image quality. After all, why do we need VRAM if not to push textures so we get better image quality, right?

Well here are some facts. The 3060ti I have on my 2nd PC plays hogwarts at 3440x1440p DLSS Quality with everything Ultra except textures, those are at high. Framerate was constantly above 60 except cutscenes, it dropped to the 55 range in those. With those settings, and according to Hardware Unboxed's video where basically he says that DLSS Performance (!!!) looks better than native and better than FSR Quality, there is not a single non Nvidia card that delivers a better image quality than my poor man's 3060ti in Hogwarts. You can have 4x7900xtx in Crossfire overclocked to hell, and you won't be able to beat a 3060ti in terms of image quality.

Now please, tell me all about how nvidia is evil and skimps on VRAM, lol