Musselswhere are you pulling DX10.1 from? its not mentioned at all.

Look at the link Halfhertz posted, or any other GT 240 listing on newegg...:nutkick:

Musselsmost packaging i've seen doesnt state what ram type - and i bet we'll have users come on here asking "why is my GTS 240 so slow, all these reviews say it should be faster!"
(just like we have whenever any card has had multiple bus widths/ram types in the past, like the 8500GT and the 9600PRO i think it was)

Most packaging I've seen have the specs listed somewhere on the outside of the box.

Musselsso they brought back the 8800GS, crippled it, and started selling it again?

gah.

Negative. 8800GS/9600GSO have 192-bit GDDR3 memory interface, while this has 128-bit GDDR5 (== 256-bit GDDR3). Different clocks, much more energy efficient, native HDMI audio...

btarunrNegative. 8800GS/9600GSO have 192-bit GDDR3 memory interface, while this has 128-bit GDDR5 (== 256-bit GDDR3). Different clocks, much more energy efficient, native HDMI audio...

We already went over a lot of that, he still believes it is a rebranded 8800GS because it has 96 shaders.

HalfAHertz@newtekie1: The 4670 came with gddr3/4 and there is no real difference in performance. Only the 4650 came with ddr2 support. I expect to see big differences between the gddr5 and 3 versions of the GT240.

It was, and actually still is, available with GDDR2: www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150450

i dont beleive it - i was replying to the post above mine at the start of the thread.

then i was attacked by a herd of rampaging nvidia users.

Musselsi dont beleive it - i was replying to the post above mine at the start of the thread.

then i was attacked by a herd of rampaging nvidia users.

:roll::roll::roll:

Musselsi dont beleive it - i was replying to the post above mine at the start of the thread.

then i was attacked by a herd of rampaging nvidia users.

You weren't replying to anything, your first post was clearly as statemnt to try and bash nvidia with the other's. You then defended your wrong statement tooth and nail to try and make it right. Doesn't matter how much you say it, it won't make it right.

newtekie1You weren't replying to anything, your first post was clearly as statemnt to try and bash nvidia with the other's. You then defended your wrong statement tooth and nail to try and make it right. Doesn't matter how much you say it, it won't make it right.

you sure about that?

the two posts directly above mine, mention the 8800GS.

odd how i use the words "8800GS" and "crippled" directly after they did... sigh.

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you sure about that?

the two posts directly above mine, mention the 8800GS.

odd how i use the words "8800GS" and "crippled" directly after they did... sigh.

Yes, as I said, you were going along with them in bashing nVidia, it is the popular thing to do after all...:shadedshu

Anyway, reviews out, card sucks, it isn't an 8800GS, you and the others were worng, we can move on.

newtekie1Yes, as I said, you were going along with them in bashing nVidia, it is the popular thing to do after all...:shadedshu

no, you guys decided i was bashing them. i merely said "gah" in response to what they had said.


I honestly cant believe how quickly i was attacked for what i said. its disgustingly juvenile behaviour.

let me rephrase my post in terms you can understand.

"what? they released ANOTHER rename? that sucks!"

oh but wait, thats not good enough.

"oh noes, if those two people above me are 100% correct and this actually is a rename, that sucks"

yeah, seriously - someone fucked up and misread my post and i wont take shit from anyone over that. the mistake was not mine.

Mussel's your mistake was taking what two forum members said, rewording it to actually make it a statement saying this was just an 8800GS(while both of their statements only say the card is similar). You might have taken what they said as them saying this was an 8800GS, but you could have also simply looked at the specs and instantly seen it wasn't, but instead you looked that their posts and assumed it was. You then decided to argue when it was pointed out that this obviously wasn't an 8800GS.

When I posted saying it wasn't an 8800GS, you could have simply acknowledge the fact. Instead, you go on about how nVidia has done it in the past, implying that they are doing it here. And then when even more evidence is presented showing you are wrong, you go on about how we won't know until W1z does a review, still implying that you believe it is a 8800GS until W1z says otherwise....

It has nothing to do with misreading your original post, and everything to do with your posts after.

If anyone is behaving like a juvenile, it is you...

I've seen this happen to other users to Mussels, I saw your post and thought nothing more of it, but opinions seem to be heavily scrutinized and thrown onto one side of the fanboy fence these days.

Your allowed your opinion like everyone else, and I find it bizarre nye disconcerting some people dive onto a post from someone else before even making an opinion of their own.

EDIT: I'm not only talking about this thread, I've seen it happen a few times lately, and I am NOT pointing fingers.

I think too the core does have many similarities to an 8800GS, yet cut down is some respects, a GDDR5 OC model maybe not (performance wise), but GDDR3 and 8 rops... seems worse than an 8800GS to me, and given the performance, which is generally sub 9600GT, with some key paper specs wev'e seen before, it does remind of an 8800GS, only a bit crippled. and I got nothing against Nvidia, hec I'll go as far as to say I prefer their cards, but this card to me just confuses.

wolfI've seen this happen to other users to Mussels, I saw your post and thought nothing more of it, but opinions seem to be heavily scrutinized and thrown onto one side of the fanboy fence these days.

Your allowed your opinion like everyone else, and I find it bizarre nye disconcerting some people dive onto a post from someone else before even making an opinion of their own.

EDIT: I'm not only talking about this thread, I've seen it happen a few times lately, and I am NOT pointing fingers.

I think too the core does have many similarities to an 8800GS, yet cut down is some respects, a GDDR5 OC model maybe not (performance wise), but GDDR3 and 8 rops... seems worse than an 8800GS to me, and given the performance, which is generally sub 9600GT, with some key paper specs wev'e seen before, it does remind of an 8800GS, only a bit crippled. and I got nothing against Nvidia, hec I'll go as far as to say I prefer their cards, but this card to me just confuses.

I wasn't even attacking Mussel's in my post responding to his original post. I was point out essentially this, just not as wordy.

This card is similar in some respects to the 8800GS, but obviously a very different card. Some features have been added, but performance has been drasticly reduced. Actually, the only similarity is the shader count. Which is what my post was meant to point out.

It was Mussel's who decided to continue the argument that this was an 8800GS until W1z says otherwise. And if anything, he was the first to start insulting others and getting an attitude.

That's cool man, like I said I'm not pointing my finger at all, it just sucks overall to see a thread have an argument, and so quickly.

It makes wolf sad :(

also this card makes me a little sad right now, maybe its that?

I think we all got on the wrong foot here...So what if it's similar or even a re-engineered GS8800? That was a decent card and still is. I'm sure Nvidia spent hundreds of hours trying to find the perfect balance between SPs/ROPs/bandwith and this is their brainchild...It has like 1/3 of the power consumption of the original GS and maybe 80-90% of the performance which is pretty decent.

Still the price is just crazy. I hope they drop it by at least 20$ soon

this card is basically the SUCCESSOR to the 8800GS/9600GSO

9400GT=GT210(slower)
9500GT=GT220
9600GSO=GT240(only the GDDR5 version)
9600/9800GT=GTS240
9800GTX+=GTS250
and the GTX cards and so on

so is it a different GPU, yes but its very similar to the previous from the looks only more optimized like the 9600GT, is it faster, faster than the original 8800GS/9600GSO, definitely not the GDDR3 version but the GDDR5 version should have similar performance with both cards at stock clocks by the looks(even though the GSO seems to overclock better)

and now that the review is out, its clear to see that the vantage bench on the linked page was complete BS.

newtekie1We already know, it isn't a 8800GS, GDDR5 support and DX10.1 means a totally new GPU.

Oh, so now DX10.1 means something to you Nvidia fans? It's just another iteration of the same old G92 chip -- in one way or another. The G92 was a decent chip, but this really isn't anything new.

Funny, I remember when the HD3870 came out, and even though it featured DX10.1 compared to the HD2900 series, it was just the "same old thing." Nothing but bitching about it and dragging it through the muck from the green camp.

And now this card is being defended with calls of "but it features DX10.1!!!!"

Funny how things change, eh?

KainXSthis card is basically the SUCCESSOR to the 8800GS/9600GSO

9400GT=GT210(slower)
9500GT=GT220
9600GSO=GT240(only the GDDR5 version)
9600/9800GT=GTS240
9800GTX+=GTS250
and the GTX cards and so on

so is it a different GPU, yes but its very similar to the previous from the looks only more optimized like the 9600GT, is it faster, faster than the original 8800GS/9600GSO, definitely not the GDDR3 version but the GDDR5 version should have similar performance with both cards at stock clocks by the looks(even though the GSO seems to overclock better)

and now that the review is out, its clear to see that the vantage bench on the linked page was complete BS.

The only thing i find annoying is why they coudn't cal the gddr3 version gt240 and the gddr5 gt245 or sth, considering the difference in performance. It would be much better for the consumer

mdm-adphOh, so now DX10.1 means something to you Nvidia fans?

No, I couldn't care less about DX10.1. I was saying that DX10.1 support indicates that this is an entirely new GPU, and not just an older card rebadged.

mdm-adphIt's just another iteration of the same old G92 chip -- in one way or another. The G92 was a decent chip, but this really isn't anything new.

This isn't even close to G92. If you think it is, then I pitty you. And by your logic: RV730 was just another iteration of the same old RV670, which was just another iteration of the same old R600 chip...in one way or another...

mdm-adphFunny, I remember when the HD3870 came out, and even though it featured DX10.1 compared to the HD2900 series, it was just the "same old thing." Nothing but bitching about it and dragging it through the muck from the green camp.

Actually, I remember praising it for it's improvements. The only negative's I remember saying about it was that it was overpriced(and it was), and that the HD3870 should have been the first DX10 card that came out of ATi instead of the HD2900XT. People didn't care about DX10.1 because when the HD3870 was released, no games used it, there are still few games that actually support it, and the difference in the games that do is minimal at best.

mdm-adphAnd now this card is being defended with calls of "but it features DX10.1!!!!"

If you pay attenting, and use even a little comprehension skills, I know you don't have any so I'm asking a lot here, but it is pretty obvious that no one here is saying this is a good card, especially not because it has DX10.1. The DX10.1 was only brought up to show Mussel and the other that this is a new GPU, and not a rebadged card.

mdm-adphFunny how things change, eh?

Funny how little they actually do...

btarunrNegative. 8800GS/9600GSO have 192-bit GDDR3 memory interface, while this has 128-bit GDDR5 (== 256-bit GDDR3). Different clocks, much more energy efficient, native HDMI audio...

Well...
It is basically an incarnation of the legendary "9600GSO of Fail" which is a heavily crippled G92. :respect:
The cheap card that Asus made that piss's off its owners.
So nVidia basically go foward and make an actually chip with those spec and new features. :rolleyes:

DaCLoL.... if they can by Brazil, they can by 4+ South Africas.... :laugh:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29

I was afraid some would make that mistake. I'm not in South Africa, that's why I put the "ern" in caps, coz I'm in another Southern African country.;)

Musselsi dont beleive it - i was replying to the post above mine at the start of the thread.

then i was attacked by a herd of rampaging nvidia users.

You mean stampeded, bitten, kicked and given the don't 'touch our baby' treatment right?:laugh: