InitialisedI've seen stock clocked Lynnefields hitting 90C on stock coolers.

Can't they just charge less for the CPUs and not bother with a cooler?

& yes they aready have those (im not too sure if intel does them but they should) some retailers might do 'PIB' packages thats literally just 'Processor In Box' - no fan, no certificate of authenticity - just a cpu in a small card board box.

some retailers should sell them like that. thats how I bought 2 of my old AMD processors as i already had a 3rd party cooler.

Usually a chip sold without a heatsink/fan is called an OEM. This is typical for almost all hardware. An OEM hard drive will usually also be a 'bare' drive; no packaging or additional paper work you might find from an in-store purchase.

And why the complaints with cutting down the stock 775 coolers? Almost all the current 775 chips are cool 45nm chips with low TDP.
Not many people are planning new 775 builds anymore, 1156 has replaced it's price point and 1366 makes the new high end platform.

We all know stock coolers are good for low power machines where temperatures aren't that important.

actually thats a good point.... so why are we bitching about old tech? :confused::confused: its not as if anyone of us is gonna buy a new 775.

FreedomEclipseactually thats a good point.... so why are we bitching about old tech? :confused::confused: its not as if anyone of us is gonna buy a new 775.

:cry:I just bought a Celeron E3200 last week...

I do still build 775 machines for customers also, they are still a good value for the price, assuming you aren't planning on upgrading the processors in a few years, and most consumers would buy a whole new computer before upgrading the processor...

Oh, and I'll still overclock using these. :D

tbh I think they have done this to cut costs on the cooler in order to cut the overall cost on the cpu and move them on, as this is an old platform for intel now. just good business sense tbh.

One thing that I just realized; with the fins now being level with the base, there might be some clearance issues with motherboards. I know I've seen a few motherboards, mainly mATX, that have caps that are actually under the CPU cooler, and the only reason they aren't in the way is because of that extra space created by the base not being flat with the fins. The new design means the fins will be closer to the motherboard, and might cause issues...

Well this is a shock, maybe they think the worlds average temputures are dropping and its turning into the artic everywere.

We will just wait till the summer time to start seeing theads popping up because of overheating issues on TPU.........

I have my q9550 stock heatsink right here, and its already so dam small, that it barly ways more then the chip itself. But now they cut it down by 3-5 more milmeters and its epic thin and they made it were there is less fin surface area then before, i bet that fan spins super fast :laugh:

Anyways. It justs makes it were maybe there afraid of people overclocking there chips, and making it were the average new overclocker wont even try to raise it a 1Mhz because it might overheat :o.

Just a sad kind of heatsink they have now. And yet AMD is pumping out heatpipe coolers for there Unlocked Phenom Chips that are somewhat better by a mile stone, and ontop of the that Phenom Chips seem to be more and more for the overclocker then Intel's scrape of cooling on 500 dollar chips kind of setup. I say I was Intel before because, I just love how high GIGAHORTS you can hit with a Intel chip on some water or air, Its always seemed easy to me.

Terrable i say. :roll::roll::roll:

AMD should do something like this and spend more money on advertisement or R&D.

KantasticAMD should do something like this and spend more money on advertisement or R&D.

I think, with reguards to AMD - its really a love or hate relationship & it just so happends that Intel is the bigger fish in the pond & generally probably has a bigger budget to spend on PR, R&D & blackmailing other companies to drop AMD parts for massive discounts on theirs (which doesnt help) where as I admire AMDs commitment & willingness to throw themselves time & time again at a huge brickwall (i.e. Intel) part of me wonders if they will ever throw off the shackles of oppression & actually make it back to the top where they once stood - a man can only take so many kicks to the face before he decides enough is enough. even so - I dont think they will ever give up as they are the main competitor to Intel & if AMD were to vanish of the CPU market, the first thing Intel would do is drive up prices because there would be no one to challenge it - not even Via with their pathetic 'Nano' would be able to muster enough power to enter the market with with such force that Intel will look at the massive clouds of dust, the sound of cold steel & say "fuck me. this is gonna hurt"

& if it does go terribly bad for AMD they can always withdraw for the public/commercial market & stick with industrial, sorta like what Matrox did & they are very much live & kicking after all these years.

on a brighter note - AMD/ATi graphics are doing exceptionally well currently - its a damn shame they cant meet the demand

i got a coolermaster hyper 101 for my cruncher and it went from 58 degrees on a stock cooler to 41 on a $15 dollar cooler OooO

I see to cut costs in the future, processor companies decide not to include stock coolers. In fact, that is the way it should be. They are pretty much paperweights (mine is used as an "anvil" for firearm related issues that require a hammer!) for anyone who is serious about computers (ok that is like 1% of the population!).

Interesting to note, but they are doing this for all 775 processors and new processors, or just for these? If it is just for these, whatever helps them flesh out inventory e.g. lower prices.

I would feel much safer with one of these :)

AMD actualy puts out some really decent coolers for their higher end stuff. The Athlon and lower end Phenoms come with the nasty aluminum cooler. Thanks for the idea PVT might have to try that, ive got like 6 of them laying around.

troyrae360I would feel much safer with one of these :)

No need to go AMD just for safer. They have plenty good coolers with double height and copper core in the original E6000/Q6000 series. Just get one of those old beast from Ebay and OC 45nm away with stock cooler.

PVTCaboose1337I see to cut costs in the future, processor companies decide not to include stock coolers. In fact, that is the way it should be. They are pretty much paperweights (mine is used as an "anvil" for firearm related issues that require a hammer!) for anyone who is serious about computers (ok that is like 1% of the population!).

Wasn't that how the Black Editions originally came?

I know they are offered without heatsinks, I just wish newegg and other places like it, carried more. I remember OEM processor being a lot more popular 4-5 years ago.

oh noes a budget cooler for the latest wave of budget CPU's...

There already terrible as it is, now this? :shadedshu

why just made the cpu without cooler and keep bad words away from them

I have one of those new coolers on a Pentium D (hot mofo) and it does fine in a decent airflow case running WCG 24/7 at 100%. I do use MX-3 TIM though.

It is nothing serious really. Just can't OC with it.

DaedalusHeliosIt is nothing serious really. Just can't OC with it.

heaven forbid not being able to OC on a stock cooler...