In the pic of the "Octal Core AMD" AIDA results, the L2 cache speed is slower than the L3.

Is that also the case with retail samples (in the results that have been posted) or is it an AIDA bug? It seems a bit nuts for L2 to be slower than L3 I would think.

nemesis.ieIn the pic of the "Octal Core AMD" AIDA results, the L2 cache speed is slower than the L3.

Is that also the case with retail samples (in the results that have been posted) or is it an AIDA bug? It seems a bit nuts for L2 to be slower than L3 I would think.

erockerI'm more or less comparing the pic between thuban. But okay. :ohwell:

erocker's post here is may hold the answer. We could say, easily, that the L2 cache of pre-release chips was held back, speed-wise, to give false numbers, and not give any indicator of true performance early.

Erocker's post was more saying, look at the raw speed...then i posted up showing that "speed" (or MHz)isn't always the answer.

So, let's give it a few days, and see if that L2 is still that slow. If it is, then the Lab501 benchmarks are probably 100% accurate. If not, the performance increase will 100% be contained there, IMHO.

After all, I noticed these differences for a reason....because pretty much all I do every day when writing reviews is run benchmarks. I knew where to look.

Matose is defending his numbers. Whether they are indictive of retail performance, I do not know...but it does seem to be that he thinks they are real, for whatever reason. I am not a CPU reviewer, and don't want to be, so it'll be up to others to find out...I'll be looking at performance in relation to board performance...in the future, my reviews will seperate AMD and Intel from each other, so platform compares aren't something I am "professionally" interested in.

AMD Bulldozer Release Date Finalised
lenzfire.com/2011/07/amd-bulldozer-release-date-finalised-24475/

Bulldozer to get officially released in Japan on October 12, 2011:
LINK:
www.gdm.or.jp/voices_html/201110/05a.html

Google Translate:

One minute and a formal announcement at 1:00 pm Japan time on October 12, "AMD FX series," ban days and leisure time were found for *****.
12, 2009 at 1:00 pm one day ban and other media information benchmark first. Sun is selling ban 01 minutes at midnight on August 16 that will retail from Sunday.

In addition, the selling price and the expected line-up is as follows. Attention "FX-8150". The retail end-users with the water-cooled cooler that comes with that tentative price is set higher than had been originally told. There also seem to reference the so-called air-cooled cooler Bundle, White BOX here for the first (for BTO) is limited to the ship by means of that free time and Date undetermined at this time.

· FX-8150 (3.6GHz/TC4.2GHz/L2 2MBx4/L3 8MB/TDP125W) yen \ 34,000
· FX-8120 (3.1GHz/TC4.0GHz/L2 2MBx4/L3 8MB/TDP125W) yen \ 19,000
· FX-6100 (3.3GHz/TC3.9GHz/L2 2MBx3/L3 8MB/TDP95W) yen \ 16,000
· FX-4100 (3.6GHz/TC3.8GHz/L2 2MBx2/L3 8MB/TDP95W) Price TBD
? FX-4100 is expected to be released in late October

Hydrogen - Water-Cooled AMD FX-8150
LINK: :D
www.xfastest.com/cms/tid-66449/

Super XPHydrogen - Water-Cooled AMD FX-8150
LINK:
www.xfastest.com/cms/tid-66449/

Looks like an Antec kuhler h20 920.
AMD would have to be selling the water cooling at their cost from Antec. Or even at a loss, depending on FX-8150 pricing.

Edit 1:
Correction, 34000 yen is expensive... that's $443 USD. Even accounting for things being more expensive in Japan... looks like they're charging full pop for the water cooling... in Japan.
I wonder if the ~$250 price floating around is cpu only, no water cooling.

Edit 2:
Asetek not Antec. Thanks to Kantastic.

InceptorLooks like an Antec kuhler h20 920.
AMD would have to be selling the water cooling at their cost from Antec. Or even at a loss, depending on FX-8150 pricing.

Asetek manufactures Antec's Kuhler series coolers, so I doubt AMD would be foolish enough to purchase from the distributor rather than the OEM at a lower cost. If AMD were smart and these benchmarks are accurate indicators of the final silicon's performance, they would sell these bundles at a slight loss.

The water cooler is optional.

Here's another review of the 8150. Unfortunately it's in Turkish and it's a video - Donanimhaber - but the charts can be understand. Judge for yourselves:

www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/haberleri/AMDnin-8-cekirdekli-FX8150-islemcisi-video-inceleme.htm

I want these to come out already so we can see how they stack up vs. Intel. I have a lot of $$$ burning in my pocket and I really want to know if I should go AMD again or go to the dark side. My current platforms are too old to upgrade to BD so it would be a new board and chip nonetheless.

Ahhzzwww.provantage.com/amd-fd4100wmw4kgu~7AAMD2MC.htm

And the FX-8150

www.provantage.com/amd-fd8150frw8kgu~7AAMD2ML.htm

That's a Provantage "special order" item, which means you place the order and they only charge you when they have stock. The catch is though, there have been numerous reports of Provantage preselling at lower prices, then when they have stock, they bump the price back up and charge the normal/higher price.

Crap DaddyHere's another review of the 8150. Unfortunately it's in Turkish and it's a video - Donanimhaber - but the charts can be understand. Judge for yourselves:

www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/haberleri/AMDnin-8-cekirdekli-FX8150-islemcisi-video-inceleme.htm

It's a mixed bag, mostly with not so good results. It seems that whenever you'd want to get a BD or not will depend on what you'd do with it (as with any other processor). If I'm getting the slides right, for older applications using legacy instruction sets the FXs won't be better than an Phenom II X6, also make sure to use DDR3-1866 RAM or the CPU will suffer.

I sincerely hope that the L2 cache speed is what is holding the CPU back and that retail processors will have that corrected.

I still think that by choosing the FX name AMD set the expectations too high even if they didn't hype the processor. If these were called Phenom III, there woukn't be so much drama.

Two more days left; and seriously, who of the TPU staff gonna do FX-8150 review? W1z? Cadaveca? Couple it with fast DDR3 1600MHz or 1866MHz RAM & 2xGTX 4xx/5xx (or 2xHD 68xx/69xx) & roll 'em out. You already got M5A99X setup, so you partially covered. :)

Hope to see you testing this CPU on C5F or Sabertooth 990FX but that's just me; if it's the same as 980X or 2600K in games & other resource hogging apps - ace. :toast:

TRWOVIt's a mixed bag, mostly with not so good results. It seems that whenever you'd want to get a BD or not will depend on what you'd do with it (as with any other processor). If I'm getting the slides right, for older applications using legacy instruction sets the FXs won't be better than an Phenom II X6, also make sure to use DDR3-1866 RAM or the CPU will suffer.

I sincerely hope that the L2 cache speed is what is holding the CPU back and that retail processors will have that corrected.

I still think that by choosing the FX name AMD set the expectations too high even if they didn't hype the processor. If these were called Phenom III, there woukn't be so much drama.

I'm partially inclined to agree,... I take that back. I agree.. I don't think there would be THIS much drama, but there'd still be drama: it's a new AMD chip, and AMD competes with Intel, which means everyone has an opinion, and right or wrong, there'd be people disagreeing with it.

YautjaLordTwo more days left; and seriously, who of the TPU staff gonna do FX-8150 review? W1z? Cadaveca? Couple it with fast DDR3 1600MHz or 1866MHz RAM & 2xGTX 4xx/5xx (or 2xHD 68xx/69xx) & roll 'em out. You already got M5A99X setup, so you partially covered. :)

Hope to see you testing this CPU on C5F or Sabertooth 990FX but that's just me; if it's the same as 980X or 2600K in games & other resource hogging apps - ace. :toast:

I won't be doing a lot of benching, esp since I'll be out of town a couple of weeks after release (and missing my PC!!!), but in my specs is my upcoming build. The only thing missing is the MB and chip, as I'm still hedging that the BD might disappoint severely :banghead:, and I'll have to Sandybridge it :cry::cry:

2Ahhzz:

lol'd @ Sandybridge it. :roll:

2 more days to see which one of these (Dozer or SB) beat the f*** out of the other. You gonna do just benching or full blown review? 2 more days. :toast:

Just benching mainly. I'll leave the reviews to the big boys :toast: they're the ones that get testing units anyway :nutkick: (*grumble-grumble*). But, like I said, I'll be leaving town for a couple of weeks, and honestly, while I want to clock it and see who bottles first, either the proc or the 2 6950s, the first thing I'm going to do, is load up Deus Ex: HR, and go get some augments :) ... that and make a folder called "Skyrim", waiting for the first mods!! :rockout:

Melvis:laugh: From a site ive never heard of, not in English and with a dodgy CPU-Z shot like that you have gotta be joking?

And BD isnt even out officially.


Ill wait till a "real" review reviews it thanks. (TPU/Guru3D)

Inceptor2) The CPU-Z font in the text boxes is slightly off; not quite correct.

thats the way cpu-z validations look like,they are different than cpu-z SS's.
see below in the WR cpu-z validation,fonts look the same

So, Cadaveca goes into detail about what to expect and how it's not likely to be unexpected or disappointing when compared to the Phenom II, how 'FX' is now an unlocked overclocking designation NOT an ultra-high end Intel destroyer designation, and then you all forget what he said and go back to,
"If BD doesn't beat SB it's a fail" and other textual flavours of the usual stupidity...

Wait for benchmarks from the BIG, REPUTABLE sites.
No guarantees of anything, except better performance than Phenom II.

Keep in mind I do not have a chip...I'm just basing my opinion on the info AMD has given offically. I could be totally wrong...but I'm doing pretty good so far...;)

one more day!

AMD bulldozer wont be here in india before november :(

cadavecaI personally am not expecting full retail availability of chips until the end of the month, or early November.

It's the 12th.. at least here in the States. Confirmed by a call to my favorite e-tailer. They actually have FX CPU's listed on their site right now.

erockerIt's the 12th.. at least here in the States. Confirmed by a call to my favorite e-tailer. They actually have FX CPU's listed on their site right now.

What part of "FULL RETAIL AVAILIBILITY" did you not understand? :p

I'm fully expecting chips to come out this week..and sell out. For me, full retail availability means that there is NOT limited quantities. I have a local retailer(4, actually) who has NO CHIPS. That is NOT a full retail release.

that said, I can not recal AMD ever having chips ready for launch up here in Canada. I could care less what some US retailer says when I cannot buy a chip myself.

cadavecaWhat part of "FULL RETAIL RELEASE" did you not understand? :p

I'm fully expecting chips to come out this week..and sell out. For me, full retail availability means that there is NOT limited quantities. I have a local retailer(4, actually) who has NO CHIPS. that is NOT a full retail release.

Tomato, tomatoe. I don't really care the differences between "FULL RETAIL RELEASE" and release. But okay, wait. :)

@ cada wow.... aggro much? dude... less coffee in the AM :)