Saturday, December 17th 2011

The Witcher 2 Contains Secret Sauce To 'Catch 100% Of Pirates'

Yes, really - 100% of those pesky "pirates" will be brought to book! The game's studio, CD Projekt RED (CDP Red) isn't letting on how it's doing so, either, claiming it's a "trade secret" and not giving out the name of the external company that's implementing the anti-piracy technology, claiming that to do so would damage their business. Seriously. The problem with identifying a dodgy copy of something is that the main info they have to track them down, are the IP addresses of the suspect. This has been shown many times over now, not to be a reliable tracker of who's doing what. At the most, it will pinpoint the account holder that it relates to, in some cases. However, this outfit reckons they've nailed this dealbreaking problem once and for all - and without any evidence on how they go about it. Snake oil, perhaps? The Polish company have therefore been sending out legal notices to thousands of suspects in Germany, chosen because this country has some of the strictest copyright laws in Europe. Presumably, they must be leaning on the ISPs to hand over customers' physical street addresses, although this isn't made clear, but read on for how this might be accomplished. In an email to PC Gamer, CDP Red VP Michael Nowakowski made the following statement:
We're addressing only 100% confirmed piracy causes that are 100% possible to prove. We are not worried about tracking the wrong people. As this is the trade secret of the company working on this, I cannot share it. However, we investigated the subject before we decided on this move, and we aware of some past complications (the famous Davenport case). The method used here is targeting only 100% confirmed piracy cases. No innocent person was targeted with the letter so far. At least we have not received any information as of now which would indicate something like that.
Notice how the Davenport case is "famous" rather than "infamous" - they actually went down in flames over their extortion tactics. Also notice how they covered themselves by saying "At least we have not received any information as of now which would indicate something like that." So, they could be targeting the innocent after all, they just haven't heard about it. Nice.

So, there appears to be two options to how this tracking technology works:

1 There is no technology and this is just smoke and mirrors (with a dash of snake oil) designed to extort marks into coughing up money to make CD Projekt go away

2 They really do have some "tracking technology" in their games. Now, what could this be? Well, as they're not telling us, it's only right and proper to be highly suspicious of what it actually does and to put it in the same class as common criminal malware. This is because the only logical way that they can track the individual in any semi-reliable manner, is to lift personal information off their computer. Let's speculate on how this could be achieved. It would include stuff such as email logins, bank logins, Facebook logins, network traffic sniffing to read the contents of highly personal and confidential messages and any other login where personal information such as a name and address might be kept. You name it, they might be doing it. This kind of activity is of course highly illegal everywhere, so no wonder they'd want to keep quiet about it. It makes traditional draconian DRM schemes such as SecuROM and the like seem like a walk in the park by comparison, doesn't it?

So, do you really want to install software that does some or all of this on your computer, just to play a lousy video game? Obviously, that's a resounding NO!

Regardless of how they track down suspects, this exercise is extortion with a legal veneer, pure and simple. This is because there haven't been any independent studies showing that "piracy" reduces profits and makes companies go to the wall - they have all been big media industry sponsored. However, there are several independent studies that show it does nothing, or actually enhances sales by indirect means, such as reputation spread by word of mouth. Of course, the powerful media cartels based in America, are able to buy government reps all over the world to make them pass corrupt laws as if all this "piracy" really was hurting them - three strikes, PROTECT IP & SOPA are just three examples. Consider the blockbusting sales here and here of Modern Warfare 3 recently. This will be the most "pirated" game of all, yet it still outsold all of Hollywood put together...

There is of course, one sure fire and legal way to beat a company that tries such dirty tricks: the boycott. Don't buy their products and don't pirate them, then laugh as you watch them go under (all the while still blaming alleged "piracy", of course). I personally wholeheartedly recommend this course of action. Once again www.techdirt.com is recommended as the site to go to, as they expose abuses like this daily.
Sources: TG Daily, PC Gamer
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345 Comments on The Witcher 2 Contains Secret Sauce To 'Catch 100% Of Pirates'

#151
Damn_Smooth
digibuccthat is absolutely NOT a fact. what is it you don't get? if they would never have bought the game, the companies would never have made more money should they choose not to pirate. you are absolutely wrong, and completely disregarding that fact. at least recognize this point, please.
What is it you don't get? You're saying that if you paid your $50 that they wouldn't have $50 more. If piracy wasn't an option, you would quit gaming? Have fun with that, but I don't buy it for a second.
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#152
Kreij
Senior Monkey Moderator
OneMoarYES FOR THE LOVE OF GOD YES
someone finally gets it :banghead:
Well why didn't you post that sooner? We could have avoided all this repetitive bullshit and bitched about the non-existant refund policy on games.
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#153
JustaTinkerer
KreijWell why didn't you post that sooner? We could have avoided all this repetitive bullshit and bitched about the non-existant refund policy on games.
+1 fantastic
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#154
digibucc
Damn_SmoothWhat is it you don't get? You're saying that if you paid your $50 that they wouldn't have $50 more. If piracy wasn't an option, you would quit gaming? Have fun with that, but I don't buy it for a second.
have you bothered to even read the posts you are responding to?

i do not pirate. steamcalculator:
Found 240 Games with a value of
$4136.61 USD
and that's just steam. not counting origin, d2d, impulse, and retail - as well as console games. i am not discussing the ethics of piracy, i am discussing the specifics of it's effects, and you are being disingenuous.

it's very simple, and you are obviously choosing to ignore the point: if someone would never have bought that individual game, pirating it does not equal a lost sale.
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#155
pantherx12
Damn_SmoothWhat is it you don't get? You're saying that if you paid your $50 that they wouldn't have $50 more. If piracy wasn't an option, you would quit gaming? Have fun with that, but I don't buy it for a second.
I go months and months without new games, I get them as occasional treats when money is good and I've got the time to play them.

You make it sound like games are an essential part of life.

Most people can go without :laugh:
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#156
Damn_Smooth
digibucchave you bothered to even read the posts you are responding to?

i do not pirate. steamcalculator:

and that's just steam. not counting origin, d2d, impulse, and retail - as well as console games.

it's very simple, and you are obviously choosing to ignore the point:
if someone would never have bought that individual game, pirating it does not equal a lost sale.
If piracy wasn't an option, that person would more than likely have bought the game. That's how we did it in the old days and game sales were great.
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#157
JustaTinkerer
Damn_SmoothIf piracy wasn't an option, that person would more than likely have bought the game. That's how we did it in the old days and game sales were great.
Nope wrong, if piracy wasn't an option I would have gone without.

Food and other such was a little more important, most pirates are skint, hence would not have got the game anyway and spent there time doing, perhaps, some other nefarious acts
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#158
entropy13
Damn_SmoothIf piracy wasn't an option, that person who can afford the game would more than likely have bought the game. That's how we did it in the old days and game sales were great.
Fixed.
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#159
digibucc
Damn_SmoothIf piracy wasn't an option, that person would more than likely have bought the game.
i would really love to know how you came to that conclusion. where is your data? because i for one am MUCH less likely to get something if it's not free. it's not like i had to get it either way, and just chose the free one. i never would have chosen to get it were it not free. hypothetically.
that person more than likely would buy fewer games. regardless, these are our opinions, they are not based on any kind of fact so for you to act as if they are is as i said, disingenuous.
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#160
OneMoar
There is Always Moar
KreijWell why didn't you post that sooner? We could have avoided all this repetitive bullshit and bitched about the non-existant refund policy on games.
I did check a few posts back ......
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#161
Damn_Smooth
JustaTinkererNope wrong, if piracy wasn't an option I would have gone without.

Food and other such was a little more important, most pirates are skint, hence would not have got the game anyway and spent there time doing, perhaps, some other nefarious acts
entropy13Fixed.
There are so many games I want that I am going without that it's not even funny. But to assume that everybody who's pirating a game is doing it because of a lack of funds is preposterous.
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#162
pantherx12
Damn_SmoothThere are so many games I want that I am going without that it's not even funny. But to assume that everybody who's pirating a game is doing it because of a lack of funds is preposterous.
Some people simply find it hard to justify spending what money they do have on games.

So they either go without or pirate.
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#163
Damn_Smooth
digibucci would really love to know how you came to that conclusion. where is your data? because i for one am MUCH less likely to get something if it's not free. it's not like i had to get it either way, and just chose the free one. i never would have chosen to get it were it not free. hypothetically.that person more than likely would buy fewer games. regardless, these are our opinions, they are not based on any kind of fact so for you to act as if they are is as i said, disingenuous.
I'm basing my "opinion" off of history, when PC gaming was actually supported. Where are yours coming from?
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#164
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
lol stupid pirates!!! burn ya thieving mateys!!!!1
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#165
JustaTinkerer
Damn_SmoothThere are so many games I want that I am going without that it's not even funny. But to assume that everybody who's pirating a game is doing it because of a lack of funds is preposterous.
Show me where I said everybody?

I dont have MW3, skyrim, rage (for pc) 3 years ago I would have had them pirated as I could not buy them, now I can afford 2 games a month I will buy.

Pirates dont harm the sales, pirates mostly would just never buy.

This is going in circles.....im dizzy
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#166
Damn_Smooth
JustaTinkererShow me where I said everybody?

I dont have MW3, skyrim, rage (for pc) 3 years ago I would have had them pirated as I could not buy them, now I can afford 2 games a month I will buy.

Pirates dont harm the sales, pirates mostly would just never buy.
Then why were sales so much better before piracy became a trend?

You're getting dizzy? I have a shitload of people on my ass.
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#167
Kreij
Senior Monkey Moderator
OneMoarI did check a few posts back ......
I believe you. My internet connection is crap and it's really tough to keep up with the posts in a hot thread.

I think that taking (or copying) something not intended to be yours is wrong, but that is an ethical discussion.

I truly believe that if people had the ability to get a reasonable refund on a game they did not like, they would be more likely to purchase it first as opposed to pirating it.
This of course, opens a whole 'nother can of worms about people buying then copying and then returning, but we really need to start somewhere to make the whole mess of purchasing computer/console games a little more palatable to all parties involved.
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#168
pantherx12
Damn_SmoothI'm basing my "opinion" off of history, when PC gaming was actually supported. Where are yours coming from?
You realise the time your referring to piracy was pretty popular right?

Floppy discs and then cds would simply be copied and given to friends.


Hell people pirated Atari ST games and that's not even a proper pc! :laugh:


"Then why were sales so much better before piracy became a trend?

Because of consoles : /
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#170
entropy13
Damn_SmoothBut to assume that everybody who's pirating a game is doing it because of a lack of funds is preposterous.
Over here at least, it's not preposterous. Retail is a monopoly (so people like me who saves up some money still gets shafted because of the utter lack of sale prices), and to use Steam you have to pretend you're American (typically what is done) and have a US$ account (which would make it even less likely for most of the population over here to get to Steam).
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#171
Damn_Smooth
pantherx12You realise the time your referring to piracy was pretty popular right?

Floppy discs and then cds would simply be copied and given to friends.


Hell people pirated Atari ST games and that's not even a proper pc! :laugh:
It existed, but it was nowhere near as popular as it is today.
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#172
Maelstrom
Damn_SmoothIt existed, but it was nowhere near as popular as it is today.
Also much easier with the internet now (don't have to actually know the people to get the stuff).
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#173
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
if you don't pay for the game you play then you are a pirate. go die in a fire.
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#174
pantherx12
Damn_SmoothIt existed, but it was nowhere near as popular as it is today.
PCs were less popular then as well :toast:


Something like ten pcs are sold per second at the moment, how many were sold a second back then?



Proportionately levels have stayed around the same, if not less people pirate proportionately now then they did then. Even though it's easier to do now : ]
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#175
Damn_Smooth
JustaTinkereryeah sales where so much better back in the day, lol

www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2011/12/modern-warfare-3-reaches-1-billion-in-sales-in-just-16-days/


Jeez I recorded ZX spectrum games on tape.....pirates are worse now?
Your link just reaffirms my argument. Do you think a high percentage of those sales came from PC? Really? Anyways I'm done with this. You 4 can defend pirating all you want, we're still getting shafted. Have fun, love ya all, I'm out.
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