I would guess that the bios from these could not be flashed to a normal 650ti.

Why cant they just call it a 655ti.

james888I would guess that the bios from these could not be flashed to a normal 650ti.

Why cant they just call it a 655ti.

The name hasn't been set in stone. They might call it GeForce GTX650 Ultra!
With 192bit memory bus, now that would be awesome :cool:

I always laugh at the marketing hype... A 50% increase in bandwidth might not make jack for a diff in actual performance except in synthetic benches, but it sounds impressive if you don't know any different.

JorgeI always laugh at the marketing hype... A 50% increase in bandwidth might not make jack for a diff in actual performance except in synthetic benches, but it sounds impressive if you don't know any different.

Isn't 650ti bottlenecked by memory bandwidth horribly?

Sigh...so AMD has a new competitive product...just reprice the others and don't bring in needless excess GPUs. Man I miss the old days of the GPU wars. Days when they didn't make a new GPU for every little thing. Gah. Now its...oh noes, we must meet their "new" product with another "new" product. Keep prices high!

Then we have tons of excess GPUs sitting around when the gen shifts. General consumers completely confused out of their mind with all the number schemes. Manufacturers can't even give them away so they start tinkering around. Come up with stuff like the dual GPU 460s and other oddball products.

I really wonder if they've ever taken a look at the cost of not only dev but also marketing/etc involved with this wasteful cycle they've gotten themselves in. Gah...just give us products that work and stand by them. No incentive to buy early when better products keep being vomited out.

/endrant

Wouldent this make it really close in performance to the 660?

Now try to think of a good name NVIDIA, after you already slapped the term "Ti" on a pathetic piece of hardware :)

This sounds like a proper midrange card. I hope it will have the capability to be manufactured in low profile form too. That would demolish the 7750/7770 series not just in perf but also in usability and be worth the probably higher price.

[502]The name hasn't been set in stone. They might call it GeForce GTX650 Ultra!
With 192bit memory bus, now that would be awesome :cool:

Or a GTX 650 GS

If true, that's technically a 660 non-Ti refresh with 192 shaders fused off, not a pumped up 650Ti. Should be 120~130W rating.

zsolt_93This sounds like a proper midrange card. I hope it will have the capability to be manufactured in low profile form too. That would demolish the 7750/7770 series not just in perf but also in usability and be worth the probably higher price.

Ummm, I may be mistaken, but I think this is nV's knee jerk reaction to AMD's upcoming HD7790.....which has been shown to be within -10% performance of the excellent HD7850.

xorbeIf true, that's technically a 660 non-Ti refresh with 192 shaders fused off, not a pumped up 650Ti. Should be 120~130W rating.

Except the 650Ti is already the same silicon as the 660, just as the 660Ti is the same silicon as the 670.

Both naming systems are so far gone that it's hardly worth worrying about anymore (not sure what it says about their products when their naming system makes so little sense), but I suppose it would be clearest for the consumer if this was labelled as the 660SE or 650Ultra.

james888I would guess that the bios from these could not be flashed to a normal 650ti.

Why cant they just call it a 655ti.

Because then you can't rape ppl over buying old and outdated graphic card thinking you're buying a new refreshed one. I bet thats always their tactic. Otherwise they would call it 655Ti.
Besides, why refreshing the least interesting chip!? Pointless. I'd sort of understand refreshing of 660Ti which is sort of interesting card but 650Ti !?

192bit with 1.5GB + GPU-Boost would make a pretty decent mid range card - but since it's from Nvidia - I'm almost certain that the price will be too high again.

If it's priced the same as current GTX 650 ti cards, I might grab one for messing around on linux.

techtardIf it's priced the same as current GTX 650 ti cards, I might grab one for messing around on linux.

Might as well use a $20 8800.

blibbaExcept the 650Ti is already the same silicon as the 660, just as the 660Ti is the same silicon as the 670.

What I meant is that a new 192-bit 650Ti would reuse a 660 card design, not the existing 650Ti card design. ie, starting with a 660 card, there are zero changes to make -- just start bolting on those new chips with the new fuse config. Of course, it's easier to sell "650Ti with more memory bus!" versus "660 with less shaders!" despite what really happens under the hood.

blibbaMight as well use a $20 8800.

I didn't see what he said he was going to actually use it for, that's a bit of a leap. You know there is Steam on Linux these days ...

xorbeOf course, it's easier to sell "650Ti with more memory bus!" versus "660 with less shaders!" despite what really happens under the hood.

In reality, both are true. The memory bus on the 650Ti is laser-cut from a 660 chip just like the shaders.

xorbeI didn't see what he said he was going to actually use it for, that's a bit of a leap. You know there is Steam on Linux these days ...

None of the Steam for Linux games are especially demanding. I suggested something dramatically cheaper because he said it was for "messing around".

Dj-ElectriCNow try to think of a good name NVIDIA, after you already slapped the term "Ti" on a pathetic piece of hardware :)

I'm hoping Nvidia troll AMD with the GTX 650 XTX Platinum Edition :)

blibbaNone of the Steam for Linux games are especially demanding. I suggested something dramatically cheaper because he said it was for "messing around".

My 9800gt is surprisingly capable. It can play a lot of games on medium settings. Not 60fps though for those 60fps or more people.

SupercritIsn't 650ti bottlenecked by memory bandwidth horribly?

no, not really.

james888My 9800gt is surprisingly capable. It can play a lot of games on medium settings. Not 60fps though for those 60fps or more people.

Yeah, I only recently stopped using a 9800GTX+ as my main gaming card at 2048*1152. There wasn't really anything it couldn't handle at lowered settings, even if I wanted 60FPS.

So it's basically going to be an overclocked 650ti?

james888My 9800gt is surprisingly capable. It can play a lot of games on medium settings. Not 60fps though for those 60fps or more people.

I still have my trusty old 8800GTS 312mb in my nephew's computer, and since he only has a 1280x1024 monitor, he can pretty much play all the modern games just fine.

Sometimes I wish I didn't get used to the 60fps 1080p standard or else I'd get myself a low res monitor with a GTX660 or something and call it a day lol