Could be slightly confusing/bothersome to consumers, but such a revision would be welcome, especially if it allows for higher clocks. Might also allow AMD to bring over some features found on the Hawaii SKU; TrueAudio and more coverage of the DX11.2 API.

Horribly played AMD.

Now all of us interested have to play the trial and error game. I wonder if this revision will bring higher overclocks since the non reference 280x's are overclocking worse then the non reference 7970 cards (non ghz).

DeadSkullHorribly played AMD.

Now all of us interested have to play the trial and error game. I wonder if this revision will bring higher overclocks since the non reference 280x's are overclocking worse then the non reference 7970 cards (non ghz).

Agreed. This is not cool. A lot of people will be getting a non optimal product.

Did AMD "rearrange" manufacturing process so R 280X could be more efficient,aside from maturing 28nm process,or this a just mere BIOS update?

1d10tDid AMD "rearrange" manufacturing process so R 280X could be more efficient,aside from maturing 28nm process,or this a just mere BIOS update?

from what I understand, it looks like they are just selecting more energy efficient gpus out of the existing Tahiti production. I even doubt a new BIOS will be required.

This isn't very nice AMD.

buggalugsThis isn't very nice AMD.

What is wrong with updating a product with no extra charge?

Complaining about that is like when someone buys a dual core Phenom II or a 6950 and could not unlock, then blame AMD.

FourstaffWhat is wrong with updating a product with no extra charge?

Nothing wrong with that. If the retail boxes don't indicate if it's the newer revision, lots of video card roulette will have to get played. That's what the issue is, at least from a buyer perspective.

ironwolfNothing wrong with that. If the retail boxes don't indicate if it's the newer revision, lots of video card roulette will have to get played. That's what the issue is, at least from a buyer perspective.

Well if you buy with the mentality of getting pre revision 280x, there is no problem at all. Otherwise ask shop you are buying from? I think most reputable ones will be willing to test one or two to tell you.

FourstaffWhat is wrong with updating a product with no extra charge?

Ask all the ipad 3rd gen consumers who got shafted when 4th gen showed up mere months later "optimized." I think AMD should mark it on the box as "updated."

1. There's nothing wrong with this, get over yourselves. More power (efficiency) to the people... If it's new features as well, all the better.

2. Nowhere does it state officially, that AMD won't differentiate it in any shape, way or form... Actually, even if so, I bet it's up to AMD's partners, to do whatever they want. Unless it actually makes a big difference and they have a ton of "old" R9 280X stock and need to get rid of it.

Either way, really, how many people do you think will actually care or know that much, to make the difference... Being part of an enthusiast (niche) group often makes one ignorant to the rest of the market. Also, if enthusiasts want a way, they'll find it, even it it's hunting down serial numbers on boxes.

it maybe a stupid question but will it affect the crossfire compatability with the 280x version 1, 7970's and 7950?

Im guessing it wont affect cause its same Tahiti chips... but an expert advice would be great... :toast:

Soooo...customers that bought the AMD R9 280x in this month are getting shafted now?

No return and replacement?

err there is a thing call date of manufacture XD
tally that.

GreenleafSoooo...customers that bought the AMD R9 280x in this month are getting shafted now?

No return and replacement?

Please stop creating new accounts just to troll. :rolleyes:

So they are just going to start using better binned silicon, I don't see the issue. This happens all the time without the public even knowing.

They aren't shafting people that are buying right now because the cards they are selling now perform as they are advertised, overclockability is never a guarantee. Though even if they were, early adopters know what they get.

Hilux SSRGAsk all the ipad 3rd gen consumers who got shafted when 4th gen showed up mere months later "optimized." I think AMD should mark it on the box as "updated."

You would very much prefer to get 100% old silicon rather than a chance of getting new and improved for no charge?

It might be handled like monitors handle revisions to screens aswell as motherboards makers

Advertising doesn't change

W1zzardfrom what I understand, it looks like they are just selecting more energy efficient gpus out of the existing Tahiti production. I even doubt a new BIOS will be required.

So this only cherry-picking from cherry-picked eh?
They can opt for reducing DP FP to...say 1/16?to make R 290X look more appealing on RAW power and make R 280X more appealing on power needed?

FourstaffYou would very much prefer to get 100% old silicon rather than a chance of getting new and improved for no charge?

You misunderstand my point.

280x / ipad 3rd gen when released were new "flawed" products. 280x is "old" silicon passed off as "new" and the 3rd gen ipad was a high res screen update without the proper hardware to run the screen effectively.

The XTL silicon is new and the 4th gen ipad was a proper update to the line with processors able to run the higher resolution screen.

So gfx card enthusiasts and the commoners are getting screwed. They don't have any idea from the box if they are getting new or old silicon. Tahiti XTL wasn't ready for its early-October launch so AMD sold old silicon as new. It's bullshit and through and through. Nvidia pulls this same garbage as well.

Out of curiosity, has anyone seen any of the "new" cards yet? I wouldn't think so (I assume it would realistically show up on shelves like around february), but who knows...