This is very tempting. Although I think its overpriced by $350.

Not IPS, so who cares.

RCoonNot IPS, so who cares.

Gamers do. UHD display with 1ms response time is not something casual. Sure it's 60Hz only but 1ms is really good for such high resolution. And something you can't ever achieve with IPS technology at the given time.

Why there are no more S-PVA panels produced?!

hardcore_gamerThis is very tempting. Although I think its overpriced by $350.

I'd estimate its about ~$100 to ~$150 overpriced depending on the feature set. This is based on the fact that the Samsung U28D590D can be found for as low as about ~$599 at Microcenter and some other locations. So I am basing my estimate on competitive pricing current in the market using a baseline.

Would I like it to be less,...?

Sure but I don't see that as an unbiased or reasonable metric,....

Edit:

OK, just checked Amazon and they have the Philips 288P6LJEB for a preorder price of ~$599. Also the Philips 288P6LJEB has a fairly good stand (hight, tilt, swivel adjust) and a USB hub. So if it does indeed actually sell at that price it should force down the price of the Samsung U28D590D and is a great price IMO for a product of this type.

RCoonNot IPS, so who cares.

I care since I care about the overall technology, where the market is going, prices and so on. I'm sure I'm not alone in this either.

However, there are other 4K monitors coming down the pipe that are IPS such as the Asus PB279Q which is 27". Pricing on such an product is not yet set but I have heard it will be under ~$1000 USD. So that indicates a better screen, slightly smaller and priced a bit higher (possibly as much as about ~$400 more then a TN equivalent).

RejZoRGamers do. UHD display with 1ms response time is not something casual. Sure it's 60Hz only but 1ms is really good for such high resolution. And something you can't ever achieve with IPS technology at the given time.

The difference between a 1ms, 2ms, and 5ms monitor is nigh impossible to tell. If I removed all branding and sat you in front of 3 with identical everything else, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

TN is as silly to keep beating on like an old horse. IPS is blatantly better, as most of us on here that have the ability to buy IPS, do buy IPS over TN every single time. The market needs to start pushing IPS innovation, and quit pinching pennies by selling the same old crappy TN panels. At the very least they need to make IPS more affordable. If they abolished TN tomorrow, and every factory making TNs made IPS instead, the price would drop on those panels like a rock, and the different manufacturers would be forced to make IPS with just as good response time.

The "gamers do" response is not even viable. Every monitor used for E-Sports events are IPS, Blizzard, LoL, DotA, CSGO.

I would happily accept your argument if you said "not everybody could afford IPS", or "budget gamers that want to be super serious and buy a 1ms 144hz monitor", but if the market did as it was supposed to, and stopped getting stuck in its rut, we might actually get somewhere with decent panel prices.

The monitor industry is going the same way as the GPU industry, charging $3000 for an item worth a quarter if not less.

I can tell a massive difference between 2ms and 8ms TN (not even IPS comparison!). If you don't notice it, you most probably aren't really a gamer. One of the reasons why i've gone investing into a 350 EUR ASUS 144Hz display. There is just no way any IPS can ever get even remotely close to TN panels. They just can't. And i can tell you from experience it makes massive difference in KD ratio. I literaly totally sucked with average/bad display where with 2ms 75Hz gaming monitor (old 5:4 but still performs great for really fast paced gaming), my scores soared sky high. When you see how monitor can make such huge difference, there is no way going back. You either have IPS for professional use and very casual gaming or you have a super fast display for gaming and you throw all the color accuracy and super wide viewing angles out the window. If you care so much for both, you'll just have both displays, each for one task it does well. Until they invent something that has image quality of IPS and response times of TN.

RejZoRI can tell a massive difference between 2ms and 8ms TN (not even IPS comparison!). If you don't notice it, you most probably aren't really a gamer. One of the reasons why i've gone investing into a 350 EUR ASUS 144Hz display. There is just no way any IPS can ever get even remotely close to TN panels. They just can't. And i can tell you from experience it makes massive difference in KD ratio. I literaly totally sucked with average/bad display where with 2ms 75Hz gaming monitor (old 5:4 but still performs great for really fast paced gaming), my scores soared sky high. When you see how monitor can make such huge difference, there is no way going back. You either have IPS for professional use and very casual gaming or you have a super fast display for gaming and you throw all the color accuracy and super wide viewing angles out the window. If you care so much for both, you'll just have both displays, each for one task it does well. Until they invent something that has image quality of IPS and response times of TN.

I guess all those big money game tournaments that use IPS panels know nothing at all and all those professional players are just casuals then.

RCoonI would happily accept your argument if you said "not everybody could afford IPS", or "budget gamers that want to be super serious and buy a 1ms 144hz monitor", but if the market did as it was supposed to, and stopped getting stuck in its rut, we might actually get somewhere with decent panel prices.

Does anyone else really have to say it considering you just did. You said it probably because you know that there are exceptions to your argument just as there are exceptions to his general gamer argument.

RCoonI guess all those big money game tournaments that use IPS panels know nothing at all and all those professional players are just casuals then.

And because they use IPS screens, that makes them ultimate god monitors? Plz... If that was true, everyone would be rushing for those IPS screens they use there and ASUS and countless others would never ever even bother with TN screens. Very unlikely scenario...

RejZoRAnd because they use IPS screens, that makes them ultimate god monitors? Plz... If that was true, everyone would be rushing for those IPS screens they use there and ASUS and countless others would never ever even bother with TN screens. Very unlikely scenario...

Just stop talking man, you will come across less ignorant that way

Sure dude... i'm the ignorant one. Haha...

Should be noted that manufacturer's claims of 1ms rarely are just 1ms when hardware testing. Much like the contrast argument of more is better, 1million vs. 20,000.

It's GTG rating, not BTB. It's not exactly new. But if TN panel uses the same ratings as IPS, then it's perfectly comparable. If not, we can then also question IPS's 8ms...

Prima.VeraWhy there are no more S-PVA panels produced?!

benq makes lots of MVA panels, yes even some announced this year in 2014, along with the random other brand that uses one of their panels

PVA specifically is only samsung & even when i was looking years ago in 2008, i rarely found PVA compared to MVA

RejZoRI can tell a massive difference between 2ms and 8ms TN (not even IPS comparison!). If you don't notice it, you most probably aren't really a gamer. One of the reasons why i've gone investing into a 350 EUR ASUS 144Hz display. There is just no way any IPS can ever get even remotely close to TN panels. They just can't. And i can tell you from experience it makes massive difference in KD ratio. I literaly totally sucked with average/bad display where with 2ms 75Hz gaming monitor (old 5:4 but still performs great for really fast paced gaming), my scores soared sky high. When you see how monitor can make such huge difference, there is no way going back. You either have IPS for professional use and very casual gaming or you have a super fast display for gaming and you throw all the color accuracy and super wide viewing angles out the window. If you care so much for both, you'll just have both displays, each for one task it does well. Until they invent something that has image quality of IPS and response times of TN.

You're overreacting. I play competitive CS on both my shitty screen laptop and also on my home monitor. Even the laptop screen is the worst TN ever produced, is just a matter of inconvenience, doesn't affect my scores at all. ;)

The fact that one plays competitive games doesn't automatically make them a benchmark for everything... what i'm trying to say is that if you play competitive matches and you suck, you can hardly be a benchmark for anything. Because i know that if someone is really good and you give them one tiny edge, even if it's measured in ridiculously small millisecond timings, they can benefit from it 10 folds compared to someone casual who won't even notice the difference.

I have the same exterior one, but with older 2500x1000 pixels. So far I am very happy. It has Overdrive response mode for gaming, NOT THAT i NOTICE IT, and you have to remember to select it, only fault so far! =8)

Of course a UW 32" with more pixels would be nice in a couple of years....

I bought one of these after reading about the TN screen (which I usually choose for gaming) having a gtg of 5ms. It seemed reasonable, for gaming, indeed. And since I enjoy blender, the extra res would be useful... Aaaanyway...

*WARNING* It is a total waste of a gamer's deskspace. DO NOT CONSIDER THIS FOR MMO/TWITCH/REACTION/FPS or OTHER "ACTION" GAMES where REACTION SPEED is at all important.

(excuse the CAPS... it really IS THAT BAD)

Although the response speed of the panel is fast (with overdrive, there is little ghosting) It is meaningless when there is an INPUT LAG OF WELL OVER 100ms!

I have been playing elite dangerous and star citizen with a seriously twitchy force feedback joystick and was wiping the floor but after buying this, I am barely able to fly my ship in a straight line due to the screen delay. At 60Hz, we're talking at least 4 to 5 frames pipeline delay.

After buying this, I ran a triple screen, with "regular sub $200 TN" 27 inch 1080s on either side.

There is so much delay, that sometimes a ship I'm homing in on will disappear, as if behind the bevel of the display!

Alternatively, a ship will appear twice if it is transitioning rapidly from the hi res centre screen to one of the cheapies.

I have tried all the settings and find that the delay GETS WORSE AT LOWER RESOLUTION perhaps due to the extra scaling.

All in all, the PHILIPS 288P6 IS NOT, AND CAN NEVER BE CONSIDERED A GAMING MONITOR. AVOID IT OR REGRET (AS I DO).

Actually, it's bloody remarkable for Blender, though... LOL

RejZoRI can tell a massive difference between 2ms and 8ms TN (not even IPS comparison!). If you don't notice it, you most probably aren't really a gamer. One of the reasons why i've gone investing into a 350 EUR ASUS 144Hz display. There is just no way any IPS can ever get even remotely close to TN panels. They just can't. And i can tell you from experience it makes massive difference in KD ratio. I literaly totally sucked with average/bad display where with 2ms 75Hz gaming monitor (old 5:4 but still performs great for really fast paced gaming), my scores soared sky high. When you see how monitor can make such huge difference, there is no way going back. You either have IPS for professional use and very casual gaming or you have a super fast display for gaming and you throw all the color accuracy and super wide viewing angles out the window. If you care so much for both, you'll just have both displays, each for one task it does well. Until they invent something that has image quality of IPS and response times of TN.

I agree with you, I recently jumped on board with an Asus PB278Q UHD display wit ha 1ms response along with a TN panel and to say the least its great. I have to agree as response times do make a difference especially to a gamer. You may not notice it as much if you have just one screen running and your already used to it, but switching does indeed provide results. I have used many TN and IPS panels and while IPS do display colors better overall and have a wider palit, I prefer to have quicker response because it does effect gameplay in Shooters (or other fast paced games). I have a very low response 1080p monitor (old and contains an IPS with a 6ms response I believe ill have to check which model it is) that ive tried taking to LAN parties and honestly I noticed it immediately in games like Battlefield while playing with friends. Its a huge difference to have a good response time for a game because it can be the difference between catching that person running around the corner at you and being the one shot.

RCoonI guess all those big money game tournaments that use IPS panels know nothing at all and all those professional players are just casuals then.

The difference my friend is that everyone is on equal ground like that. Most game tournaments get sponsored by some company and as long as the device works well they do not care. If everyone is running the exact same monitor then everyone is at the same advantage or disadvantage. Now throw a few panels with a 1ms to a pro-team versus a team with monitors that have 5+ms and you will notice one team getting a clear advantage.

GraXXoRAlthough the response speed of the panel is fast (with overdrive, there is little ghosting) It is meaningless when there is an INPUT LAG OF WELL OVER 100ms!

I have been playing elite dangerous and star citizen with a seriously twitchy force feedback joystick and was wiping the floor but after buying this, I am barely able to fly my ship in a straight line due to the screen delay. At 60Hz, we're talking at least 4 to 5 frames pipeline delay.

Ooops... with a 100ms delay and 60Hz, it's obviously a 6 frame delay. LOL. Sorry.

RejZoRI can tell a massive difference between 2ms and 8ms TN (not even IPS comparison!). If you don't notice it, you most probably aren't really a gamer. One of the reasons why i've gone investing into a 350 EUR ASUS 144Hz display. There is just no way any IPS can ever get even remotely close to TN panels. They just can't. And i can tell you from experience it makes massive difference in KD ratio. I literaly totally sucked with average/bad display where with 2ms 75Hz gaming monitor (old 5:4 but still performs great for really fast paced gaming), my scores soared sky high. When you see how monitor can make such huge difference, there is no way going back. You either have IPS for professional use and very casual gaming or you have a super fast display for gaming and you throw all the color accuracy and super wide viewing angles out the window. If you care so much for both, you'll just have both displays, each for one task it does well. Until they invent something that has image quality of IPS and response times of TN.

Agreed. I use an old BENQ 5:4 1280 x 1024 monitor and its high refresh rate makes it great for MMO games which split second timing is required. TBH, though, I think the input pipeline and processing lag makes a far bigger difference than say, 8ms response, which is still less than 1 frame lag on @100 Hz.

Like I said below, my philips 288p6 4k monitor, although having "questionable" response of 1ms (more like 5ms) has an IPS-likew delay which WORSENS at lower input resolutions...

sorry for the multiple postings...