Monday, June 22nd 2015
AMD Doesn't Trust its Own Processors - Project Quantum Driven by Intel Core i7-4790K
One of the three unexpected products based on the "Fiji" GPU, which AMD announced at its E3 event, Project Quantum, or the quest to design a 4K-worthy SFF gaming PC, which runs two "Fiji" GPUs in CrossFire, had the press assume that the rest of the system could be AMD-based, such as AMD-branded (albeit Patriot Memory manufactured) memory, AMD-branded (albeit OCZ manufactured) SSD; and importantly an AMD-made CPU or APU. Given its liquid-cooling, the prospect of a 95W "Godavari," or even upcoming "Carrizo" APU didn't seem far-fetched. Even a 95W FX CPU could have been deployed, since AM3+ on mini-ITX is not impossible.
When taken apart, Project Quantum was shown to be running an Intel Core i7-4790K "Devil's Canyon" CPU, on an ASRock-made mini-ITX motherboard, with its non-essential parts soldered out. The i7-4790K is neighbored by a pair of half-height Crucial Ballistix memory modules, which is excusable, since there are no half-height AMD Radeon memory modules, yet. The SSD is AMD-branded. The unit features a unified liquid cooling solution that's custom-made for AMD, by Asetek. A large (200 mm?) radiator, with a single fan, cools the CPU, the PCH, as well as the two "Fiji" GPUs.
Source:
Kitguru
When taken apart, Project Quantum was shown to be running an Intel Core i7-4790K "Devil's Canyon" CPU, on an ASRock-made mini-ITX motherboard, with its non-essential parts soldered out. The i7-4790K is neighbored by a pair of half-height Crucial Ballistix memory modules, which is excusable, since there are no half-height AMD Radeon memory modules, yet. The SSD is AMD-branded. The unit features a unified liquid cooling solution that's custom-made for AMD, by Asetek. A large (200 mm?) radiator, with a single fan, cools the CPU, the PCH, as well as the two "Fiji" GPUs.
188 Comments on AMD Doesn't Trust its Own Processors - Project Quantum Driven by Intel Core i7-4790K
Intel I5-4690K
AMD R9 290
Nvidia Shield Tablet
for what's in current use
spare:
GT730 (because you never know when you need one o_O )
GTX670 (because ... eh? nevermind... )
my favorit are my 3 nforce chipset AMD board (2 S939 1 S940)
Intel is justified, AMD is not. Why am I not surprised? On the net every company is justified to do anything, AMD never is.[/QUOTE]
Intel does not make extreme low-power graphics IP that it can put into mobile SoCs. But AMD does make CPUs of the same kind, with the same application compatibility, with the same marketing claims, as Intel.
The more you use that PowerVR analogy, the more stupid you make yourself look.
I consider myself on the brown team, because what does blue, red, and green make?
(Short story my board died the same way a bunch of other customers' boards died, while we all ordered the board around the same time period)
Also, my idles are the GTX650 and GTX660 which will go up for sale here soon.
i guess i am just lucky xD (tho i only listed what i use now ... huhuhu)
It's more likely that AMD has chosen Haswell. The choice has been made. And that betrays its CPU lineup.
AMD Project Quantum powered by IntelCan you spot the difference?
The 'no trust in its own' is quite sensationalist for a five day old news.
it doesn't matter at all what CPU they use and AMD (for the XXXth time) is not a CPU only maker: they can choose whatever they want for driving their GPU, no betraying no drama no nothing.
we just should stop worrying on that "Betraying part" and let that go away, as it doesn't matter at all and bring nothing more than speculation and useless debate on the table
little joke ...
Intel does not make extreme low-power graphics IP that it can put into mobile SoCs. But AMD does make CPUs of the same kind, with the same application compatibility, with the same marketing claims, as Intel.
Then you apologize for the edit, and not for calling me stupid. The problem with the PowerVR or the Guru3D article is that shows who the biased is. And the only way to NOT answer that, is to INSULT the other person.
Bravo again. So, that's TPU's "Editor & Senior Moderator" level? Good to know.
AMD's GPU department is not using AMD processor.
They are marketing GPUs, not CPUs. They might as-well ship it with SPARC, ARM or even z/Architecture if it in fact gives them a better end-product.
OTOH, if it were for the CPU department to ship a new low power SOC(like geode), they will have to use some other's vendor GPU, since the AMD graphics department doesn't produce a low power GPU any more.
I wonder why this site has a title like that and the rest of the internet sees this choice from a different perspective.
I smell butt-hurt from the Fury benchmarks
yesterday I realized why amd refused to give cards to some reviewers.
take a look at this
I was also expecting to see an AMD CPU in Project Quantum, but choosing the i7 makes sense to me. It's not like everyone but the most blind AMD fans wouldn't already know that Intel's desktop Haswell Core i5s and i7s murder all AMD CPUs in gaming. If this Project Quantum is a success, I'd expect their next version to include a Zen-based CPU. Right now they're simply making the system as capable as possible, and with the i7 it's more capable and cooler than with any AMD CPU. I disagree with that. Fiji supposedly improves power efficiency a lot, and it might compete very well with Maxwell-based GPUs. Also, Project Quantum is for showcasing the power of AMD GPUs in the first place, the CPU isn't as important as the GPUs here.
I personally like btarunr's style and find him far from biased. He points out things like these from all companies, and he does it starkly. Remember what he wrote of Nvidia's drivers when they prevented overclocking laptop GPUs (twice)?
I've always been one to defend your willingness to call out both sides for their crap btarunr, but this title is a bit sensationalist if I am being honest.
Did we read about amd not using a seamicro(in-house) motheboard? no
Did we read about a non-AMD RAM on this platform? No
Someone with enough power to make his opinion widely available, thinks that AMD does not trust a several year old μArchitecture and we are debating on a subject based on an opinion.
If Honda says its S2000 sports car is a high performance vehicle and Ferrari says its Laferrari is a high performance vehicle, and the S2000 goes for 35.000 dollars and the Laferrari goes for 1 million dollars, you think its fair to compare the two head to head?
Your title is just F'd up and even you know it, the main problem is the word "trust".
Like I said earlier (its great how you can choose what comments to respond to), AMD does NOT compete in the high end and haven't been for a while and you (should) know that.
Intel i7-4790k - 340 dollars
AMD FX-8370 - 190 dollars.
Nearly half the price, but for you they are on the same footing?
And hell even part form all of that, 'Trust" does not make any sense at all.
This is 0's and 1's, not "maybe if it tries hard enough".
"we trust this cpu will perform on a higher level then we KNOW it can"
It makes no sense man, they know what their cpu's can do and they know what the competition can do and what they have right now does not do the gpu (which is what its all about) justice.
If your title was "AMD does not deem its own cpus capable/fast enough, 4790k powers Quantum" all would be fine.
Should I post it or I might cause trouble to the site?
The decision is sane and reasonable in every aspect.