Here is a fixed chart starting from zero. I didn't measure it to pixel accurately, but this is how "MUCH FASTER" actually looks like...

FordGT90ConceptSo supply is short of GTX 1080 (2560 cores) and GTX 1070 (1920 cores) cards and now they're preparing to launch a GTX 1060 (1280 cores). Is NVIDIA having severe yield problems? Why else would they be compelled to cut the chip down this far, this soon? That's 50% of the Pascal chip disabled! :eek: By comparison GTX 960 has 37.5% of the cores disabled compared to GTX 980.

Since the 1060 is a brand new chip, my guess is they are doing it because the difference in architecture allows much more this round on the low end of core counts. But who knows...

RejZoRHere is a fixed chart starting from zero. I didn't measure it to pixel accurately, but this is how "MUCH FASTER" actually looks like...

Well a chart is a chart, once we see it in action we can judge how close Nvidia puts it compared to the 480.

$ReaPeR$yes i can, that doesnt mean that i like doing it. i like balance, and when i dont see it i try to create it. just count the whining comments and tell me that people do not show bias against the 480. people are not objective by default, its in our nature, we must strive to be objective, as much as we can at least. thinking with ones feelings its not thinking at all.
if you dont like nvidias arrogance try supporting the other camp, companies understand only $ nothing else.

I wouldn't try to balance negativism. It makes you stoop to their level. It's better to keep your head above the murky waters.
Also, I may not like the pricing but I'm not about to buy an inferior card to spite Nvidia. I won't go back to dual cards so at 1440p I want the fastest I can get however, the 1080 isn't a big enough jump and we all know a 1080ti is waiting in the wings. We just have to hope Vega can cause an upset.

RejZoRHere is a fixed chart starting from zero. I didn't measure it to pixel accurately, but this is how "MUCH FASTER" actually looks like...

No dude, shit graph. By making the origin zero you have reduced scaling bias but by making the x-axis go to 4 you increase the scale bias. If you want to make it neutral, scale starts at 0 and ends at 2.

FordGT90ConceptSo supply is short of GTX 1080 (2560 cores) and GTX 1070 (1920 cores) cards and now they're preparing to launch a GTX 1060 (1280 cores). Is NVIDIA having severe yield problems? Why else would they be compelled to cut the chip down this far, this soon? That's 50% of the Pascal chip disabled! :eek: By comparison GTX 960 has 37.5% of the cores disabled compared to GTX 980.

You should know better. GTX 1060 will be based on a full GP106. GP106 is not a "cut down chip", it's a design derived from GP100, and GP106 was taped out last year. When TSMC starts making a wafer of chips Nvidia has decided if this will be a bunch of GP100s, GP102s, GP104s, GP106s or GP107s. It takes ~3 months to create the chips, so it's not like they can adjust the production over the weekend.

The demand for GP100 in Teslas is enormous at this point, and Nvidia is earning more per wafer on these so it's going to tie up a lot of the wafer production volume for several months to come. Combine this with higher demand than previous generations and you'll get a shortage. There will be a steady stream of GP106s and GP104s coming, but customers might have to wait a few weeks. Nvidia is planning to release more products based on these in the coming two months, including mobile products based on both GP104 or GP106 for the "back to school" season.

Edit: BTW: GTX 960 has 1024 cores vs 2048 cores in GTX 980.</math-police>

night.foxThe GTX 1060 is claimed to be faster than the GeForce GTX 980

Really? Hmmm interesting. I wonder what 980 owners feel like

i bought yesterday gtx 980 for 300 and i feel still good. that thing can 1500/4000 easly :D

new leak from videocarz

nem..new leak from videocarz

Now that's just silly. My doge-meme pun was more clever.

Much faster. Wow:



And yes, I did post it twice. I have reasons... maybe.

efikkanYou should know better. GTX 1060 will be based on a full GP106. GP106 is not a "cut down chip", it's a design derived from GP100, and GP106 was taped out last year.

Oh, then it makes sense.


We know, for a fact that, RX 480 is held way back because of the 150w threshold AMD put on the reference design. Reference is 1266 MHz with AIBs reporting 1460-1600 MHz (15-26% faster) doable with better cooling and more power. Add that knowledge to NVIDIA's graph, they look well-matched. Assuming everything goes well, that should mean Vega is also well-matched to GTX 1070/1080--but that's clueless as to how HBM2 plays into it.

FordGT90ConceptOh, then it makes sense.


We know, for a fact that, RX 480 is held way back because of the 150w threshold AMD put on the reference design. Reference is 1266 MHz with AIBs reporting 1460-1600 MHz (15-26% faster) doable with better cooling and more power. Add that knowledge to NVIDIA's graph, they look well-matched. Assuming everything goes well, that should mean Vega is also well-matched to GTX 1070/1080--but that's clueless as to how HBM2 plays into it.

interesting times lay ahead.. if you are correct, which i think you are, the whole market will be flooded with very good cards from both companies. imo though nvidia will go for the upper $ tiers and let the lower ones to amd.

They clamed faster than GTX980 or equal but in real life dont think so,same think with Rx480 can beat gtx970 overall

The purpose is to make u buy this and that...is called MARKETING.

:))))

the54thvoidI wouldn't try to balance negativism. It makes you stoop to their level. It's better to keep your head above the murky waters.
Also, I may not like the pricing but I'm not about to buy an inferior card to spite Nvidia. I won't go back to dual cards so at 1440p I want the fastest I can get however, the 1080 isn't a big enough jump and we all know a 1080ti is waiting in the wings. We just have to hope Vega can cause an upset.



No dude, shit graph. By making the origin zero you have reduced scaling bias but by making the x-axis go to 4 you increase the scale bias. If you want to make it neutral, scale starts at 0 and ends at 2.

since tou play at 1440, wouldnt a fury do the job? yes a 980ti is faster, but isnt the fury enough for that res? (just for the sake of the argument, i know its pointless since you already have a ti)
and i totally agree on the front of the 1080ti, there is no point in buying any of the lesser cards if you can afford that price range.

nem..new leak from videocarz

Reminds me of the rx480 hype, so I can feel your pain from here! :P

There's also one more thing to take into consideration. By the time this card is out, it wont be competing with reference RX480, but with custom ones. So AMD will have couple of weeks of advantage

ShurikNThere's also one more thing to take into consideration. By the time this card is out, it wont be competing with reference RX480, but with custom ones. So AMD will have couple of weeks of advantage

even then i think these 2 cards will be pretty evenly matched, which is a good thing, competition pushes the prices down. we dont know how good this card will oc, especially since it will ship with 1.7GHz boost clock, even if it goes above 2GHz, i think they will be close if the vendor 480s can hit the 1.6GHz mark. only time will tell..

efikkanThen how can GTX 1070 beat RX 480 by over 50%?, given:
-GTX 1070: 5783 GFlop/s, 256 GB/s memory, 150W TDP
-RX 480: 5161 GFlop/s, 256 GB/s memory, 150W TDP


Still you fail to answer and your reply makes absolutely no sense. What part of the process was rushed? The pending announcement is evidence that it's not rushed.</facepalm>

The announcement for the Paper Launch was right on schedule with the Illuminati Code puzzle PR campaign.
This was done before any significant amount of stock was produced so as to trigger a response from the high end enthusiast market, with the understanding of AMD's plan to release Polaris prior to Vega.
It was purely a canard to seem to release these cards before they actually were able to, to try to lock up the market. It was a success as most buyers are still waiting for pre-orders and stock to ship.

RaviSSGTX 1080 8GB - 2560@1.7, 256@10 - 1000 - $599 -1.67

No such thing as a $599 1080.

TheinsanegamerNThen please explain how the 390x, with 384 GB/s is roughly on par at stock with a 980 with 224gb/s? In fact, why is the 980ti so much more powerful with only 336gb/s?

Much like bits, bandwidth ain't everything. Maxwell needed significantly less bandwidth then Kepler, and Pascal needs significantly less then Maxwell.

You two should learn the difference between bandwidth and bus width.

$ReaPeR$since tou play at 1440, wouldnt a fury do the job? yes a 980ti is faster, but isnt the fury enough for that res? (just for the sake of the argument, i know its pointless since you already have a ti)
and i totally agree on the front of the 1080ti, there is no point in buying any of the lesser cards if you can afford that price range.

I was waiting to see the Fury X and read the reviews. I didn't buy a Titan X (in my budget) as I was waiting for the Fury X (recall all that hype :rolleyes:). Proof of that is my posting history - I was keen to see how Fury X did. But in the end the better option was the GTX980ti (Kingpin for me). I'll buy what best suits me and what I find 'coolest'. I always wanted a Kingpin and I've scratched that itch now. I'm getting bored of Nvidia though as they lock so much down it's hard for you to 'play' with the cards without going crazy hardware modding.

TBH, I have a bad feeling full stop about AMD and Nvidia with future cards. I have so many 'wishes' for Vega but I don't think that will be anything other than 'reduced expectations met'. I hope I'm wrong but the node shrinks are giving less room to play with on voltages and thermals.

$ReaPeR$LOL Fool Edition sounds a bit better though.. ;)

Hehe, I was thinking Flounders Edition.

.........woah just got my morning newegg email add GTX970 $199 after MIR GTx980 $279 afterMIR. GTX980ti $459after MIR(not too impressed). The second hand market also gonna drop.....now truly is the time to upgrade. The 480 and hopefully the1060 too has reset the gpu market......until the Titans and 1080ti come out at least.:D

The leaked price chart on page 2 was gold, lol.

Wow, that chart looks soooo professional lol. Like the kind of crap Apple does at every product launch.

ensabrenoir.........woah just got my morning newegg email add GTX970 $199 after MIR GTx980 $279 afterMIR. GTX980ti $459after MIR(not too impressed).

Looks like the 980Ti's went back up. I got mine 2 weeks ago on sale for $409 at the egg after the big price drops were announced for the three.

It's good to see the 970's and 980's dropping further though. They obviously had way too much stock on hand going into a new product launch, even with stopping production on 970's and 980's 2 months ago.

UngariThe announcement for the Paper Launch was right on schedule with the Illuminati Code puzzle PR campaign.
This was done before any significant amount of stock was produced so as to trigger a response from the high end enthusiast market, with the understanding of AMD's plan to release Polaris prior to Vega.
It was purely a canard to seem to release these cards before they actually were able to, to try to lock up the market. It was a success as most buyers are still waiting for pre-orders and stock to ship.

It was a "paper launch" because the card was delayed, not rushed. The planned release window for GTX 1080 was actually April or later, but it was postponed to the end of May.

the54thvoidI was waiting to see the Fury X and read the reviews. I didn't buy a Titan X (in my budget) as I was waiting for the Fury X (recall all that hype :rolleyes:). Proof of that is my posting history - I was keen to see how Fury X did. But in the end the better option was the GTX980ti (Kingpin for me). I'll buy what best suits me and what I find 'coolest'. I always wanted a Kingpin and I've scratched that itch now. I'm getting bored of Nvidia though as they lock so much down it's hard for you to 'play' with the cards without going crazy hardware modding.

TBH, I have a bad feeling full stop about AMD and Nvidia with future cards. I have so many 'wishes' for Vega but I don't think that will be anything other than 'reduced expectations met'. I hope I'm wrong but the node shrinks are giving less room to play with on voltages and thermals.

If AMD doesn't do anything with vega and no overclocking, I know exactly which cards I am getting. Though I feel like we're driving towards an era where one choice is the only choice for high end unfortunately.

Guess we have to wait for something...Wish it would come sooner.

$ReaPeR$even then i think these 2 cards will be pretty evenly matched, which is a good thing, competition pushes the prices down. we dont know how good this card will oc, especially since it will ship with 1.7GHz boost clock, even if it goes above 2GHz, i think they will be close if the vendor 480s can hit the 1.6GHz mark. only time will tell..

See, that will be interesting because if vendors can make the card clock it should provide some great performance. It's all going to depend then how the 1060 compares clocked to its higher point.