If NVIDIA is smart, it will compensate US buyers $30 USD, and to people outside the US, it will voluntarily give away a Steam game key to a AAA game as compensation. If it doesn't do that, people outside the US will start class-actions of their own, and maybe the courts will set a higher compensation than $30/buyer. I bet EU regulators will order NVIDIA to give everyone $329.

btarunrIf NVIDIA is smart, it will compensate US buyers $30 USD, and to people outside the US, it will voluntarily give away a Steam game key to a AAA game as compensation. If it doesn't do that, people outside the US will start class-actions of their own, and maybe the courts will set a higher compensation than $30/buyer. I bet EU regulators will order NVIDIA to give everyone $329.

I think it's much more difficult to start a class action in EU that it is in the US (in some EU countries, class action is not even available). And even then, this action was settled, there's no guaranteed win.

Edit: I'm not sure what the poll is about. It's like people complaining they bought a car having a V8 engine, but 2 cylinders are smaller than the others. First, equal cylinder sizes (memory inferface bus width) is not a given, it's just they way it's usually (always?) implemented. Second, you didn't buy the car for each cylinder's individual performance, but for the overall performance. Third, you actually got 8 cylinders (4GB VRAM). The only good thing coming out of the whole debacle is that it (hopefully) prevents atypical memory configurations from becoming the norm.

btarunrIf NVIDIA is smart, it will compensate US buyers $30 USD, and to people outside the US, it will voluntarily give away a Steam game key to a AAA game as compensation. If it doesn't do that, people outside the US will start class-actions of their own, and maybe the courts will set a higher compensation than $30/buyer. I bet EU regulators will order NVIDIA to give everyone $329.

I am in favor of keeping US and EU lawsuits like this separate, despite the extra legal fees for Nvidia.

Thats around $40 Aussie dollars, yes please!

Where do I get my 30 dollars? I haz a feeling by the time I get it it wont even be worth the time tho.

" NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang apologized to buyers about the issue and promised that it would never happen again. "

LUL. Right.

bugI'm not sure what the poll is about. It's like people complaining they bought a car having a V8 engine, but 2 cylinders are smaller than the others. First, equal cylinder sizes (memory inferface bus width) is not a given, it's just they way it's usually (always?) implemented. Second, you didn't buy the car for each cylinder's individual performance, but for the overall performance. Third, you actually got 8 cylinders (4GB VRAM). The only good thing coming out of the whole debacle is that it (hopefully) prevents atypical memory configurations from becoming the norm.

First of all, how dare you try to defend Nvidia. This was settled in court showing the crippled card had an issue, and the people won. Why would you argue against a courts findings? Just face the facts that these cards where/are a sham that everyone had high expectations for, and Nvidia is a highly disingenuous company for going out of their way to put out a product that has issues. Shame on Nvidia. They knew what they did from the start. It proves they have no care about proper innovation and their customers.

Since the findings came out on the internet a while ago, I have vowed to never buy an Nvidia product ever again.

warrior420First of all, how dare you try to defend Nvidia. This was settled in court showing the crippled card had an issue, and the people won. Why would you argue against a courts findings? Just face the facts that these cards where/are a sham that everyone had high expectations for, and Nvidia is a highly disingenuous company for going out of their way to put out a product that has issues. Shame on Nvidia. They knew what they did from the start. It proves they have no care about proper innovation and their customers.

Since the findings came out on the internet a while ago, I have vowed to never buy an Nvidia product ever again.

Do you even own a computer? If so why haven't you filled out "Your System Spec's"?

@the OP, this all brings a song to heart(TRUE COLORS). But Nvidia is a COMPANY and as such (especially in today's economy)lets face if you have worked for a CORP you do things you would not normally do............

NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang apologized to buyers about the issue and promised that it would never happen again.

But it happen already, 1070 has 64 ROP in spec but can only use 48 per cycle... (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_10_Series and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#cite_note-49)

That's not what the lawsuit was about, at least your name isn't myhairb@llsake :roll:

warrior420First of all, how dare you try to defend Nvidia. This was settled in court showing the crippled card had an issue, and the people won. Why would you argue against a courts findings? Just face the facts that these cards where/are a sham that everyone had high expectations for, and Nvidia is a highly disingenuous company for going out of their way to put out a product that has issues. Shame on Nvidia. They knew what they did from the start. It proves they have no care about proper innovation and their customers.

Since the findings came out on the internet a while ago, I have vowed to never buy an Nvidia product ever again.

Well, you don't even seem to understand what a settlement is, so it's pointless to argue further.

Plus, I'm not defending Nvidia, as I have stated, I wouldn't want to see widespread usage of the solution they chose for the GTX 970. At the same time, I'm not arguing in favour of protection against stupidity either: the card has been benchmarked all over the place, no one can claim they thought they were buying something and got something else instead. More to the point, I go to TPU, I can see the MSI 970 does 42.9fps in Alien Isolation at 4k. That's what I get off the shelf, regardless of how those 42.9fps are delivered.

NucleoproteinBut it happen already, 1070 has 64 ROP in spec but can only use 48 per cycle... (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_10_Series and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#cite_note-49)

From your own link:

The card has all of the ROPs of GTX 1080 and 80% of the memory bandwidth, however what it doesn’t have is GP104’s 4th GPC. Home of the Raster Engine responsible for rasterization, GTX 1070 can only setup 48 pixels/clock to begin with, despite the fact that the ROPs can accept 64 pixels. As a result it takes a significant hit here, delivering 77% of GTX 1080’s pixel throughput. With all of that said, the fact that in-game performance is closer than this is a reminder to the fact that while pixel throughput is an important part of game performance, it’s often not the bottleneck.

they _lied_ about the rop count (only 56 instead of the advertised 64) and the l2 cache size (only 1.7mb instead of advertised 2mb) which are worse issues than the 0.5gb slow memory interface/partition (those fake numbers were writen on the boxes of the cards and their documentation for christ sake!), and yet their "apology" never mentioned any of these issues. im not surprised if a similar "trick" happens in the future, that company is used to throw dirt into consumers eyes and calling it innovation.

and like btarunr said, maybe this can be extended worldwide with a free game or discount towards new hardware acquisition (they now sell card direct to customer so it would kinda make sense for user upgrading from a 970 in the near future).

Would be nice if this could be followed, and info on how to claim the $30 per card once directions are made available. I know we went through a handful of 970's (and still have some in use).

truth tellerthey _lied_ about the rop count (only 56 instead of the advertised 64) and the l2 cache size (only 1.7mb instead of advertised 2mb) which are worse issues than the 0.5gb slow memory interface/partition (those fake numbers were writen on the boxes of the cards

Are these technical specs actually listed to the consumers? I'm not sure if they are or are not and that is an important point. They certainly (despite 970's obvious goodiness) deserve this as the card didn't have 'fully functional' as construed on the box Memory. I wont defend that - if the box says 4Gb you expect 4Gb of memory working at the same rate, not partitions within that bracket at slower speeds.

But if you start going down the path of examining tech specs not released to consumers then I deserve a rebate for both my ATI crossfire configs as they never ran as I expected. I'm not talking about game support but the specific stuttering issue that meant a lot of my 5850 and 7970 crossfire gaming was worse than single card. I genuinely expected smoother game play but I did not get that. ATI must have known what they were selling surely (after all, they fixed wit with XDMA)- so let's talk compensation on that.
This isn't an Nvidia fan boy position (as stated - they deserve the fines and settlement for the 970 issue) rather an educated position on "how far do you want to take the major players specs and slide info"? The RX480 didn't quite seem to deliver on performance/watt as suggested by their presentations either (unless we trawl through the precise conditions that must be met to meet that perf increase) - do we sue?

Who's more likely to shaft you? Right now - probably Nvidia because they can afford to. AMD can't afford to make big PR mistakes, they need to play safe but rest assured in the past they have shafted you. Where's @HumanSmoke? He's a factoid on the dubious history of each brand.

the54thvoidThe RX480 didn't quite seem to deliver on performance/watt as suggested by their presentations either (unless we trawl through the precise conditions that must be met to meet that perf increase) - do we sue?

And it's not a 150W part as advertised. Do we sue for that, too?

warrior420First of all, how dare you try to defend Nvidia. This was settled in court showing the crippled card had an issue, and the people won. Why would you argue against a courts findings? Just face the facts that these cards where/are a sham that everyone had high expectations for, and Nvidia is a highly disingenuous company for going out of their way to put out a product that has issues. Shame on Nvidia. They knew what they did from the start. It proves they have no care about proper innovation and their customers.

Since the findings came out on the internet a while ago, I have vowed to never buy an Nvidia product ever again.

mate, obvious nvidia fanboy is obvious.. regardless though, people should vote with their wallet, which they dont, because they dont care, they care more for how they will be perceived by their social circle, and there nvidia=bigger epenis. i dont bother anymore.. its pointless. stupidity is invincible after all. we are talking about a company that has 80% of the market, yet still uses shady tactics, and most people dont give a flying f@ck.. yet they will bitch about how amd doesnt compete.. there is no hope for the human race.. 30$ LOL

bugAnd it's not a 150W part as advertised. Do we sue for that, too?

That issue has been addressed though AND the green team (of which I'm now part of) had a so I large issue with the last generation cards spiking above stated power draw figures. Everyone's at it, don't worry!

rhythmeisterThat issue has been addressed though AND the green team (of which I'm now part of) had a so I large issue with the last generation cards spiking above stated power draw figures. Everyone's at it, don't worry!

Addressed, yes. Power draw from the socket was limited to 75W, but the card can still draw more than 75W from the PCIe connector (and does so by default). So it's still a card that uses over 150W, being sold as a 150W card.

$ReaPeR$mate, obvious nvidia fanboy is obvious.. regardless though, people should vote with their wallet, which they dont, because they dont care, they care more for how they will be perceived by their social circle, and there nvidia=bigger epenis. i dont bother anymore.. its pointless. stupidity is invincible after all. we are talking about a company that has 80% of the market, yet still uses shady tactics, and most people dont give a flying f@ck.. yet they will bitch about how amd doesnt compete.. there is no hope for the human race.. 30$ LOL

C'mon dude. You offend many people that buy Nvidia simply because their top end is faster. Why do you equate that with epeen? If I want to buy the fastest gfx card in a generation, I will (if i want to shell out for it). It doesn't make me a fanboy of whatever brand I buy and it doesn't make me a cock waving technotwat. It's attitudes that you display (somehow without even noticing o_O) that are the epitome of a fanboy. When you simply slag off someone because of what they buy because it's not your choice - THEY are the fanboy? Seriously?
So, I should not buy a GTX 1080 because the Fury X is slower? WTF? (FTR, I'm sticking with my 980ti because I'm still on W7). And I really must not buy a GTX1070 because it's cheaper than Fury X and in most circumstances, faster?

Stop being silly with comments about Nvidia and epeen. I could argue the same about any gamer that has bought a Radeon Pro Duo (or a Titan Z). It is absolute nonsense to tell people to buy a slower card if they want to buy the faster card (or the quieter, etc). Yes, there are fanboys but aim your guns at them directly and don't make stupid and sweeping generalisations about peoples buying choices.

And social circle? Are you completely delusional? Why would my social circle influence my gfx choice? Most of my friends don't even know what the inside of a PC looks like, let alone what brand is inside it.

Yeah, so stop making infantile, fanboy call outs, when they simply shine a giant fanboy light on your own head. :slap:

warrior420First of all, how dare you try to defend Nvidia. This was settled in court showing the crippled card had an issue, and the people won. Why would you argue against a courts findings? Just face the facts that these cards where/are a sham that everyone had high expectations for, and Nvidia is a highly disingenuous company for going out of their way to put out a product that has issues. Shame on Nvidia. They knew what they did from the start. It proves they have no care about proper innovation and their customers.

Since the findings came out on the internet a while ago, I have vowed to never buy an Nvidia product ever again.

Dude, get real. This is about a video card. What lives were hurt? Is this a major problem, like faulty natural gas lines, or brakes on a car that don't work? No, it's a video card, a luxury item. Yes, NVIDIA was wrong, but don't try to make it out like they slaughtered thousands of innocent lives.

And for the record, the 970 performed equally as well after the news as it did before. And it surely didn't stop the record sales of it after the memory news either....people still thronged to it. Why? Because it was a damned good card, as anyone who ever ACTUALLY owned one knows.

DeathtoGnomesI am in favor of keeping US and EU lawsuits like this separate, despite the extra legal fees for Nvidia.

As an EU citizen, fully in agreement with that.

rtwjunkieAnd for the record, the 970 performed equally as well after the news as it did before. And it surely didn't stop the record sales of it after the memory news either....people still thronged to it. Why? Because it was a damned good card, as anyone who ever ACTUALLY owned one knows.

...but will the 970 have less longevity as a result? More games are using more and more VRAM and I'm sure the issue will become more apparent as that becomes the case for more games. Just because it wasn't an issue then and isn't quite an issue now, doesn't mean it won't be an issue in a year. As I said in another thread about VRAM that is semi-related:

AquinusVRAM capacity is one of those things that doesn't matter until you don't have enough of it.

In other words, if you're not using that much, it won't be a problem.

Aquinus...but will the 970 have less longevity as a result? More games are using more and more VRAM and I'm sure the issue will become more apparent as that becomes the case for more games. Just because it wasn't an issue then and isn't quite an issue now, doesn't mean it won't be an issue in a year. As I said in another thread about VRAM that is semi-related:

In other words, if you're not using that much, it won't be a problem.

Well the thing is, the card is already two years old. It's a mid-grade card. The realistic lifecycle that most people I am aware of with mid-tier cards is 2-3 years. As fast as GPU technology changes and advances, it's pointless to buy a card because of what you think you might need two to 3 years from now. Invariably, that guess will end up wrong.

rtwjunkieWell the thing is, the card is already two years old. It's a mid-grade card. The realistic lifecycle that most people I am aware of with mid-tier cards is 2-3 years. As fast as GPU technology changes and advances, it's pointless to buy a card because of what you think you might need two to 3 years from now. Invariably, that guess will end up wrong.

You say that but, I had my first 6870 for 6 years and got a second one for CFX when one wasn't enough after 3 years.

Class action lawsuits seems only possible in USA or Canada or whatever. Not for europe. If anyone remembers the VW diesel scandal, it settled for billions of dollars in USA and buyers, but we in Europe get no compensation at all. They'd simply reflash your car's ECU to match the CO2 and thats it.

So yes, lawsuit is good, makes Nvidia think twice about putting false advertisement about their cards. AMD camp is cheering now.

the54thvoidC'mon dude. You offend many people that buy Nvidia simply because their top end is faster. Why do you equate that with epeen? If I want to buy the fastest gfx card in a generation, I will (if i want to shell out for it). It doesn't make me a fanboy of whatever brand I buy and it doesn't make me a cock waving technotwat. It's attitudes that you display (somehow without even noticing o_O) that are the epitome of a fanboy. When you simply slag off someone because of what they buy because it's not your choice - THEY are the fanboy? Seriously?
So, I should not buy a GTX 1080 because the Fury X is slower? WTF? (FTR, I'm sticking with my 980ti because I'm still on W7). And I really must not buy a GTX1070 because it's cheaper than Fury X and in most circumstances, faster?

Stop being silly with comments about Nvidia and epeen. I could argue the same about any gamer that has bought a Radeon Pro Duo (or a Titan Z). It is absolute nonsense to tell people to buy a slower card if they want to buy the faster card (or the quieter, etc). Yes, there are fanboys but aim your guns at them directly and don't make stupid and sweeping generalisations about peoples buying choices.

And social circle? Are you completely delusional? Why would my social circle influence my gfx choice? Most of my friends don't even know what the inside of a PC looks like, let alone what brand is inside it.

Yeah, so stop making infantile, fanboy call outs, when they simply shine a giant fanboy light on your own head. :slap:

why do you take it personally? i own an nvidia product ffs also i wasnt talking about any of your comments. do you find it rational for someone to defend nvidia in this case? also, i make pc systems for a living, and in my experience most people will buy nvidia just because they think it will be faster or because all their friends have one, 960 vs 380x for example.(you know how marketing works right?) if a company is not punished for its shitty behavior do you think it will stop behaving like this? also why do you think that you or me are the typical users? do you think that a typical user will be posting on tech forums or read every day about tech improvements?i didnt put you in any position, i wasnt even talking to you, so why the hell do you get all defensive? i buy the product that best suits my needs based on the amount that i can spend, i dont buy it because is red, green or blue.
also this conversation is irrelevant to the topic at hand so i will not continue.