Thursday, August 18th 2016

AMD Demos Breakthrough Performance of the ZEN CPU Core

At an event last night in San Francisco, AMD provided additional architectural details and a first look at the performance of its next-generation, high-performance "Zen" processor core. AMD demonstrated the "Zen" core achieving a 40% generational improvement in instructions per clock, delivering a landmark increase in processor performance.

During the event, AMD demonstrated an 8-core, 16-thread "Summit Ridge" desktop processor (featuring AMD's "Zen" core) outperforming a similarly configured 8-core, 16-thread Intel "Broadwell-E" processor when running the multi-threaded Blender rendering software with both CPUs set to the same clock speed. AMD also conducted the first public demonstration of its upcoming 32-core, 64-thread "Zen"-based server processor, codenamed "Naples," in a dual processor server running the Windows Server operating system.
"The performance and efficiency of our 'Zen' core showcases AMD at its best," said Dr. Lisa Su, president and CEO of AMD. "Over the last four years we have made significant investments to develop a high-performance, multi-generation CPU roadmap that will power leadership products. Customer excitement for 'Zen' continues to grow as we make significant progress towards the launch of new products that will span from the datacenter to high-end PCs."

The "Zen" processor core features multiple architectural advances designed to increase the performance, throughput, and efficiency of AMD's future products. "Zen" is based on a clean-sheet design and features a new cache hierarchy, improved branch prediction and simultaneous multithreading (SMT). These advances will allow the "Zen" core to scale to meet the needs of a broad range of applications, including fanless 2-in-1s, embedded systems, high-performance computing, and the datacenter.
"An engineer may get one chance in their career to work on a project of this size and scope, and maybe never one with as much potential to impact the future as much as 'Zen,'" said Mark Papermaster, senior vice president and chief technology officer at AMD. "With 'Zen' we aim to do what many never thought possible - deliver a 40 percent generational improvement in instructions per clock while maintaining power requirements in line with our previous generation technology."

"AMD invested where it counts, with an x86 core that can scale from PCs to high-performance servers," said Linley Gwennap, principal analyst, Linley Group. "Consumers today expect to get the most out of their systems to create transformative experiences. The versatile design of 'Zen' delivers highly-efficient performance that should provide increased computing capabilities across the spectrum - from devices to cloud computing."
Expected to launch first, the "Zen"-based "Summit Ridge" desktops will utilize the AMD AM4 socket, a new unified socket infrastructure that is compatible with 7th Generation AMD A-Series desktop processors - previously codenamed "Bristol Ridge" - for exceptional performance and connectivity scalability required by AMD partners and customers. The first desktop systems featuring 7th Generation AMD A-Series processors and new AM4 sockets are scheduled to ship in the second half of 2016 in OEM PC designs.

With dedicated PCIe lanes for cutting-edge USB, graphics, data and other I/O, the AMD AM4 platform will not steal lanes from other devices and components. This allows users to enjoy systems with improved responsiveness and benefit from future-ready technologies that the AM4 platform provides with a powerful, scalable and reliable computing solution.

AMD AM4 platform key technology features include:
  • DDR4 Memory
  • PCIe Gen 3
  • USB 3.1 Gen2 10Gbps
  • NVMe
  • SATA Express
Additional "Zen" architectural features will be detailed next week in a presentation at Hot Chips 28.
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187 Comments on AMD Demos Breakthrough Performance of the ZEN CPU Core

#26
alexsubri


I've been waiting patiently since I had my AMD 965 BE @ 3.8Ghz -> FX 6300 -> FX 8370.

Good thing I just bought some shares too in AMD because I have a good feeling that Zen will make heads roll.

Intel has amazing chips, but its good to see AMD stepping up the bar again and making the CPU market more competative. Granted reviews are great, I won't mind it if it beats or is on par with the $1,000 Intel CPU. This is great because the AMD Zen will probably retail between $200-$350. Looks like I will be upgrading Q1 2017!
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#28
ZoneDymo
KarymidoNThat's the problem with AMD, it always tries to match the Current Intel processors, while Intel always tries to overcome the processors that are already on the market. Zen will be another generation of weak and poorly optimized processors that will only pay off in overclock (I'm an AMD User for over 3 years).
Well there is a lot more to that statement.
1. AMD has overcome its processors with this by a mile it seems.
2. AMD tried something new/different with Bulldozer which in the end did not really pay off, but I can only applaud the effort, I wish a lot LOT more developers of everything would try different new technologies.
(Intel project larrabee for real time ray tracing, where is my real time raytracing, why is everything polygons for forever now since we used to have other tech as well like Vector graphics, explore damn it, explore!)
3. Intel only has to overcome its own processors and with all due respect barely has done that since the 2600k probably because of the lack of competition but that does not change that fact.
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#29
Jism
PumperYou guys need a history lesson?

www.techpowerup.com/138328/bulldozer-50-faster-than-core-i7-and-phenom-ii
That source was relatively unknown, and now we have actual video, 2 systems, hopefully identical, and still showing it actually outperforms a 1000$ CPU of intel.

I'm pretty confident that the ZEN will compete, if not now then in any other second refresh of those ZEN CPU's. The baseline is set. They need to work, refine and perfect that design.
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#30
alucasa
I am keen on Zen, mainly because it will bring competition and 4 core for mainstream taboo could be broken.

Due to my PC usage, rendering, I am close on pulling trigger on purchasing 5820K or an 12core ES Xeon chip from China with a X99 board.

If Zen is even remoteply competitive with Broadwell-E with a clear price advantage, it's somethig I'd consider. However, I will not trust any claims and benchmarks from either camp because the history has shown they can never be trusted especially AMD claims.
I want reviews from several independent websites and make my own conclusion before pulling the trigger.

Which means this AMD's demo is like water off a duck's back.
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#31
rhythmeister
m1dg3tNice! Now give me an enthusiast class iTX MoBo to go along with it so i can rid myself of Intel.
I hear ya! I'm still using an old Athlon II X4 in a Shuttle SN78SH7 but it must be upgrade time soon.
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#32
noname00
JismIt's always never enough with you people. They go core to core thread to thread clock to clock, on a bench that is HIGLY reliant on all cores / threads. Outcome is that AMD finishes up that test FASTER then Intel's counterchip. I dont think they would be clocking down that intel chip by putting the bclk down, slower memory speeds and all but simply set for a 30x MP and not 37x.

Bottom point is is that AMD actually offers something with raw power that COMPETES with intel's 8c/16t CPU worth 1000$.
All we know so far is that a Zen processor clocked at 3 GHz has marginally better performance in one application than an underclocked intel CPU with the same number of cores and threads. We don't know anything about the rest of the configuration used by both processors (first of all the memory configuration). Until we will have an official review and the price for the new processors, we actually don't know anything.

I hope they will deliver what they have promised, but I'm not holding my breath.
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#33
Pumper
JismThat source was relatively unknown, and now we have actual video, 2 systems, hopefully identical, and still showing it actually outperforms a 1000$ CPU of intel.

I'm pretty confident that the ZEN will compete, if not now then in any other second refresh of those ZEN CPU's. The baseline is set. They need to work, refine and perfect that design.
Even if the performance is real, why do you think that AMD will be selling these CPUs cheaper than Intel's equivalents? They won't (current AMD CPUs are cheap because their performance sucks ass).
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#35
Melvis
PumperEven if the performance is real, why do you think that AMD will be selling these CPUs cheaper than Intel's equivalents? They won't (current AMD CPUs are cheap because their performance sucks ass).
Because AMD always have no matter what! even when AMD was king of the hill they still sold there CPU's cheaper.

I think you are the one that needs a history lesson :p
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#37
rhythmeister
PumperEven if the performance is real, why do you think that AMD will be selling these CPUs cheaper than Intel's equivalents? They won't (current AMD CPUs are cheap because their performance sucks ass).
Sucks ass? My 4 year old FX6300 that cost me £100 STILL let's me play all current games at their highest settings combined with a GTX 1060 and it's even cheaper now!
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#38
alexsubri
PumperEven if the performance is real, why do you think that AMD will be selling these CPUs cheaper than Intel's equivalents? They won't (current AMD CPUs are cheap because their performance sucks ass).
Because that's where the consumer market share is. The sweet spot is around the $250-$350 price point.
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#39
alucasa
MelvisBecause AMD always have no matter what! even when AMD was king of the hill they still sold there CPU's cheaper.
Not by much if my memories serve me correctly.

I used to own AMD 4x4 platform and its CPUs were as much as (but were cheaper, yes) Intel's Pentium Xtreme edition CPU.
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#40
Jism
PumperEven if the performance is real, why do you think that AMD will be selling these CPUs cheaper than Intel's equivalents? They won't (current AMD CPUs are cheap because their performance sucks ass).
Where is current ZEN CPU pricing? how would you know? We only know there's a various TDP enveloppe starting from 35W up to 95W and perhaps a FX with 125/140W TDP.

On the other hand, it's useless to make CPU for upper high-end market alone. It's on the low and mid end where the 'good stuff' happens. Where the main consumers and businesses are who need a decent computer.

Just as the RX 480, sitting on 220$ up to 260$ avg still offering -5 to -10% performance compared to the much more expensive 1060.
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#41
alexsubri
rhythmeisterSucks ass? My 4 year old FX6300 that cost me £100 STILL let's me play all current games at their highest settings combined with a GTX 1060 and it's even cheaper now!
I agree with this. I had my 6300 @ 4.3-4.5ghz for 5 months until I've upgraded to 27'' 2560x1400 GYSNC 144Hz monitor. It would bottleneck like crazy. But at 1080p the 6300 does wonders. I agree with you on that. As for myself, I just got the 8370 @ 4.5ghz (since Zen will be more mainstream come Q1 2017). The 8370 with 16GB Ram, GTX1070 plays A LOT of games amazingly at ultra settings in 1400p resolutions. I was surprised. There is a little bit of bottleneck, but no where close to what I would experience with the 6300
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#42
noname00
rhythmeisterSucks ass? My 4 year old FX6300 that cost me £100 STILL let's me play all current games at their highest settings combined with a GTX 1060 and it's even cheaper now!
If you become GPU limited, then yes, the FX6300 is enough.
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#43
efikkan
I'm not aboard the hype train, but I'm hoping AMD will finally help make real 8-cores mainstream. It's not expected that Zen will match Intel in overall performance, but I'm hoping AMD will compete in the mid-range desktop segment.

Higly clocked 8+ cores from Intel is too expensive today, but models with low clocks are actually bargains already, like the E5-2630 V4 2.2 GHz, 10 cores at $667 or the E5-2620 V4 2.1 GHz, 8 cores at $417.
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#44
Nokiron
MelvisBecause AMD always have no matter what! even when AMD was king of the hill they still sold there CPU's cheaper.
I remember the X2 4800+ was more expensive than the Pentium 965EE ;)
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#45
alucasa
efikkanHigly clocked 8+ cores from Intel is too expensive today, but models with low clocks are actually bargains already, like the E5-2630 V4 2.2 GHz, 10 cores at $667 or the E5-2620 V4 2.1 GHz, 8 cores at $417.
If you are willing to risk, take 50% off that on Chinese ES chips.
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#46
efikkan
alucasaIf you are willing to risk, take 50% off that on Chinese ES chips.
Which is also illegal, BTW.
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#47
HD64G
Anyone who doesn't want Zen to compete to Intel's offerings is a blue fanboy. Anyone wishing the Zen to succeed is either a red fanboy or a customer waiting for better products and lower prices.
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#48
alucasa
efikkanWhich is also illegal, BTW.
Doesn't matter to me. I've used ES chips from Conroe era. Not always but at times when my wallet was thinner.
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#50
Pumper
HD64GAnyone who doesn't want Zen to compete to Intel's offerings is a blue fanboy. Anyone wishing the Zen to succeed is either a red fanboy or a customer waiting for better products and lower prices.
I doubt that there's anyone who does not want good CPUs from AMD. We just don't trust their claims, because they have shown time and again to be untrustworthy when it comes to pre-release performance figures.
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