Monday, December 12th 2016

AMD RYZEN Brand Name of First Enthusiast "ZEN" CPUs

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AMD has apparently chosen RYZEN (pronounced "risen") as the marketing name for the first consumer enthusiast processors based on the "ZEN" micro-architecture. Slated for market availability in Q1-2017, the first RYZEN part will feature 8 cores, 16 threads, 20 MB of total cache (8x 512 KB L2 + 2x 8 MB L3), and a clock speed of over 3.40 GHz. The chips will be built in the socket AM4 package, and will be launched alongside a new wave of motherboards with AMD X370 chipset.

Given the relatively modest clock speeds by AMD's standards, it's safe to say that AMD has made big IPC gains, and is now tapping into those gains. Intel, on the other hand, is clocking its upcoming Core i7-7700K at 4.00-4.40 GHz. AMD is also introducing enthusiast-segment features with RYZEN, including XFR (eXtended frequency range), Smart Prefetch, a tightly tuned power-management system built from the ground up, called AMD Pure Power, and its related feature, AMD Precision Boost.
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70 Comments on AMD RYZEN Brand Name of First Enthusiast "ZEN" CPUs

#26
PowerPC
Man, they better show this shit at CES and get review samples out early. I can't stand this fake hype around products that are held up on stage for 10 seconds and then let the people wait another 4 months just to try the damn thing. Like they did with Fiji and R9 Nano that never even really came out as far as I'm concerned. The worst release in modern history. AMD is sadly now expected to pull this kind of dumb shit. I almost can't imagine this will be different.
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#27
arterius2
Last time AMD tried to hyped us in the naming department with "BULLDOZER", we knew how that went.
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#28
YautjaLord
SithLordRYZEN sounds cool, but you just know everyone is going to pronounce it "Ry-zen" :p
lol That was obvious, 1+ for ninja-posting me, i actually thought like that, this was what ran in my head: Wait! No f***in' way, Ry-ZEN! Or derived from Rise ZEN!!!! lol

Signed into event's stream, i'm interested in seeing mobos even more than benchmarks & CPU itself.
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#29
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Peculiar direction for them to go...
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#30
Cybrnook2002
btarunrRyzen chips have dual-channel DDR4 memory and 28-lane PCIe gen 3.0
That's a little disappointing.
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#31
straim
YautjaLordlol That was obvious, 1+ for ninja-posting me, i actually thought like that, this was what ran in my head: Wait! No f***in' way, Ry-ZEN! Or derived from Rise ZEN!!!! lol

Signed into event's stream, i'm interested in seeing mobos even more than benchmarks & CPU itself.
The first time I saw the name (a week ago) I came to the conclusion (as everybody) that it could be a mix of words (word game). However I felt like it was developed to have an japanese meaning instead of "Risen", in that moment I remember when I used to play Street Fighter II and was curious about the Ryu name, though this is what I feel AMD wants to be the name of their new awesome processor...

"Ryū (龍, 竜, 隆, りゅう, リュウ Ryū ?) listen (help. · info) is a Japanese masculine given name and can also refer to: Ryū (school), a school of thought or discipline (for example a fighting school)" or a way, path, flow, style!

What do you guys think?
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#32
Gasaraki
RelayerWould likely compete for market though due to similar workloads that need/can benefit from all of those threads?

Seems like both would be most useful for CPU rendering, for example.
The issue I see with the AMD approach of adding tons of cores is that recent changes in licensing with VMWare and Microsoft is by core count, no longer processor count. So for server licensing, I have to control the amount of cores I buy.
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#34
JMccovery
Cybrnook2002That's a little disappointing.
This was pretty much a given when AMD's roadmap showed that Summit Ridge will use AM4.

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RYZEN (tbh, it's a stupid name), could be pretty competitive, but if I have to choose DC DDR4 and a limited number of PCI-E lanes, why not go with Skylake or Many Lake? Sure, I won't get 16 threads, but will have 8 higher-performing ones.

Seriously, AMD, give enthusiasts a single-socket version of the Naples platform.

Quad DDR4 and 64 PCI-E lanes? Yes please!
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#35
ShurikN
JMccoveryThis was pretty much a given when AMD's roadmap showed that Summit Ridge will use AM4.

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RYZEN (tbh, it's a stupid name), could be pretty competitive, but if I have to choose DC DDR4 and a limited number of PCI-E lanes, why not go with Skylake or Many Lake? Sure, I won't get 16 threads, but will have 8 higher-performing ones.

Seriously, AMD, give enthusiasts a single-socket version of the Naples platform.

Quad DDR4 and 64 PCI-E lanes? Yes please!
JUst out of curiosity, what are you going to use those 64 lanes for?
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#36
TheGuruStud
ShurikNJUst out of curiosity, what are you going to use those 64 lanes for?
Encoding porn.

Wait, nope, still need cpu for that.
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#37
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
btarunrand 28-lane PCIe gen 3.0, which make them a more similar platform to LGA115x than HEDT.
Where are you getting this information? Rumor mill has churned anything from 32 to 64 lanes and hinted at pcie 4.0?
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#38
natr0n
Wondering if they intentionally clocked it lower to allow high oc. Probably tops out around 4.5GHz
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#39
ironwolf
Prima.VeraRaisin sounds better. :p
So if someone gets a golden CPU they could call it a golden Raisin? :p
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#40
natr0n
ironwolfSo if someone gets a golden CPU they could call it a golden Raisin? :p
saltana
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#41
JMccovery
ShurikNJUst out of curiosity, what are you going to use those 64 lanes for?
2 GPUs and several PCI-E SSDs; or a single GPU and several compute cards; or nothing but Titan-like cards for GPU-based rendering...
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#42
R0H1T
JMccoveryThis was pretty much a given when AMD's roadmap showed that Summit Ridge will use AM4.

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RYZEN (tbh, it's a stupid name), could be pretty competitive, but if I have to choose DC DDR4 and a limited number of PCI-E lanes, why not go with Skylake or Many Lake? Sure, I won't get 16 threads, but will have 8 higher-performing ones.

Seriously, AMD, give enthusiasts a single-socket version of the Naples platform.

Quad DDR4 and 64 PCI-E lanes? Yes please!
Quad channel (DDR4) doesn't do much for most applications or games, in fact you'll be hard pressed to find any app that makes full use of triple channel (DDR3) memory as dual channel is simply enough.
Also if it's PCIe 4.0 then 20 to 30 lanes would be plenty for even the most hard core of enthusiasts, of course with Optane you will need as many PCIe lanes as you can get but Intel is in no rush to push it for desktops & it isn't a direct competitor to most 3D NAND (NVMe) drives currently in the market.
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#43
GhostRyder
Well they have a good name so we can check that off the list. Now we just need to see some independent benchmarks of the chips and we will be good to go.
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#44
TheLaughingMan
So it sounds like AMD is not going to do the boost clock spec any more. They are posting an minimum normal operating speed and then brag about how the chip will auto-overclock based on your cooling solution and using words like "infinite" for the tech.

Looks like we are going back to the old days.
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#45
vlmorgan
mastrdrverExcept that AMD has explicitly stated that the first Zen parts are going to be server parts then come the Zen based APUs. Even the demo to show the IPC improvements made to Zen was against an Intel was with an Intel server cpu.
No, it went against the 6 core 6850k and 8 core 6900k...2011s...which are enthusiast chips in enthusiast MBs. The first Zen is the 8core ryzen, which goes against the 2011 and actually beats them, but has zero use in the server world since they are dual channel and have low cache. AMD already has 16 core server processors, so it wouldn't make sense to release 8 core ones...and 8 core is the largest of the new Zens atm.
Covert_Deathhow so? core count isn't everything. last generation AMD had 8 'cores' but it directly compared and competed with intel 4 core.

its about design and intent of use that it was designed for. These are consumer grade parts meant for the same market as 1151, thats what they should compare to. they have more specs in line with 1151 than HEDT (really only core count)... on top of that.... it will have competitive pricing with 1151, not HEDT.
AMDs 8core parts competed with i7s. 8350s still have very high compute numbers, despite their ancient tech. Single core suffered, but they were true bulldozers. Pun intended. Watch for game min specs. They always run fx4100 next to i3 and 6300s next to i5. They do the same work. A few fps loss in some games isn't really a thing.
vlmorganAMDs 8core parts competed with i7s. 8350s still have very high compute numbers, despite their ancient tech. Single core suffered, but they were true bulldozers. Pun intended. Watch for game min specs. They always run fx4100 next to i3 and 6300s next to i5. They do the same work. A few fps loss in some games isn't really a thing.
In fact, an 8350 does 2/3 the work of a i7 6850k 6 core. Quad channel. 28 lanes. 2/3. 8350 is ooolddd. Even before its time. I'm impressed.
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#46
thesmokingman
Cybrnook2002That's a little disappointing.
That's perfect for mainstream.
cdawallWhere are you getting this information? Rumor mill has churned anything from 32 to 64 lanes and hinted at pcie 4.0?
64 lanes and pcie 4? You didn't find that plausible right?
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#47
deu
JMccovery2 GPUs and several PCI-E SSDs; or a single GPU and several compute cards; or nothing but Titan-like cards for GPU-based rendering...
You fall within the 0,01% of the market that have this specific usecase but want to use highend gamer hardware for it instead of going for a professional solution. RYZEN is released for AM4 and the new X370 mobo (which is set to direct battle the i5 / i7's answer (Z270). :)
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#48
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
thesmokingman64 lanes and pcie 4? You didn't find that plausible right?
It was for server platform so it makes perfect sense it makes even more sense for the desktop variant to have 32 lanes if the server one is true. AMD does love to just glue two chips into an MCM for their server products.
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#49
Camm
GasarakiThe issue I see with the AMD approach of adding tons of cores is that recent changes in licensing with VMWare and Microsoft is by core count, no longer processor count. So for server licensing, I have to control the amount of cores I buy.
I can't comment for VMWare (got off that money pit a long time ago), but Server 16 licenses by default are licensed for 16 cores. As long as you can get a high clock CPU with good IPC for at least 8 in a dual socket, I don't see much of the problem with this. Your bigger problem is if you were going for sheer density with low clock high core counts.
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#50
TheGuruStud
natr0nWondering if they intentionally clocked it lower to allow high oc. Probably tops out around 4.5GHz
They wanted to hit 95w tdp, apparently. That's a mistake. Need a 125W model.
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