Monday, June 26th 2017

Vega Frontier Ed Beats TITAN Xp in Compute, Formidable Game Performance: Preview

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PC World posted a preview of an AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition graphics card, and reported some interesting observations about the card ahead of its review NDA. The tech publication compared the air-cooled Pro Vega Frontier Edition against NVIDIA's fastest consumer graphics card, the TITAN Xp. It did reveal performance numbers of the two cards in two compute-heavy tests, SPECViewPerf 12.1 and Cinebench R15 (OpenGL test), where the Vega FE significantly outperforms the TITAN Xp. This shouldn't come as a shocker because AMD GPUs tend to have a strong footing with GPU compute performance, particularly with open standards.

It's PC World's comments on the Vega card's gaming performance that might pique your interest. In its report, the publication comments that the Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition offers gaming performance that is faster than NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 1080, but slightly slower than its GTX 1080 Ti graphics card. To back its statement, PC World claims to have run the Vega Frontier Edition and TITAN Xp in "Doom" with Vulkan API, "Prey" with DirectX 11, and "Sniper Elite 4" with DirectX 12. You must also take into account that the Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition could command a four-figure price, in the league of the TITAN Xp; and that gamers should look forward to the Radeon RX Vega series, bound for a late-July/early-August launch, at price-points more appropriate to their competitive positioning. The RX Vega is also expected to have 8 GB of memory compared to 16 GB on the Frontier Edition. Watch PC World's video presentation in the source link below.
Sources: PC World, VideoCardz

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77 Comments on Vega Frontier Ed Beats TITAN Xp in Compute, Formidable Game Performance: Preview

#51
purecain
this is such good news for the tech community. what an interesting year this is going to be. congrats AMD!!!!!
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#52
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
cdawallWhen in the history of AMD have they released a GPU that offered substantially lower power usage vs TDP?
9700 Pro. Atleast we know July-August unless the push it back further.
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#53
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
eidairaman19700 Pro. Atleast we know July-August unless the push it back further.
That was ATi. AMD history start with the HD 2K series and the 2900Pro/xt weren't exactly well known for sipping on the juice.

I would wager the 6850/6870/6950/6970 are probably the only low wattage units really let go, they didn't compete with NV top end and the next series while great consumed all the power lol.
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#54
Relayer
They were pretty emphatic that this card is not for gamers. Unfortunately we'll need to wait until the end of July now.
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#55
macxell
Really, i score 109.45 on CB15 with my ryzen r7 1700x (stock speed) and R9 290 (1000/1300)
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#56
sergionography
MuhammedAbdoThis is bad, Vega FE using pro workstation drivers is seriously behind the NVIDIA Quadro line with workstation drivers. Vega FE might be faster than TitanXp. but this one has no pro drivers. This is not a fair comparison at all.


Well part of it because vega frontier is priced way less than the quadros and more than the gaming cards so from a price point it makes sense. Also do note vega doesnt have double precision at half the rate and is rather 1/8 or so if i remember correctly so it wont be geared for the professional fp64 compute sector. It's strictly targeting fp16 and fp32 at a pricepoint betweek 1k and 2k which is very competitive against the nvidia counterparts at that price. This is a smart move because the high precision fp64 is strongly cuda based and amd has had problems competing even with all its past compute glory capability over nvidia in past generations. As for fp16 and machine learning/Ai, AMD has a much better chance because its an emergimg market so AMD has a chance to make a presence still because nvidia doesmt have a foothold as strong as fp64
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#57
the54thvoid
Super Intoxicated Moderator
So, what relation is this card to the compute M125 card? Is it the same hardware? And what relation is Vega to this FE card?

RTG have clearly made an AMD Titan card and intend fleecing folk for it. But, is the chip the same as the compute one? It sounds like it.

3 cards made from same chip, not cut down, just software castrated? Can someone clarify because I'm confused.

Nvidia didn't even release GP100 to the general consumer. Only GP102 and even that was hardware differentiated.
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#58
qubit
Overclocked quantum bit
MuhammedAbdoThis is bad, Vega FE using pro workstation drivers is seriously behind the NVIDIA Quadro line with workstation drivers. Vega FE might be faster than TitanXp. but this one has no pro drivers. This is not a fair comparison at all.


Exactly. AMD are comparing apples with pears in a lame attempt at making their underperforming product look better and now they look idiotic for doing so. Have they learned nothing from the Bulldozer fiasco?

They'd be much better off comparing like with like and being honest about the performance of their cards and pricing them accordingly. Everyone will respect them for it and their fans will still buy their cards.

Now cue the AMD apologists flaming me... :rolleyes:
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#59
Xzibit
the54thvoidSo, what relation is this card to the compute M125 card? Is it the same hardware? And what relation is Vega to this FE card?

RTG have clearly made an AMD Titan card and intend fleecing folk for it. But, is the chip the same as the compute one? It sounds like it.

3 cards made from same chip, not cut down, just software castrated? Can someone clarify because I'm confused.

Nvidia didn't even release GP100 to the general consumer. Only GP102 and even that was hardware differentiated.
I think thats where they are headed with this

MI25 = HPC
WX---- = Workstation
Frontier Edition = Prosumer
RX Vega = Gamer

It resembles an accelerated Nvidia release.
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#60
Unregistered
XzibitI think thats where they are headed with this

MI25 = HPC
WX---- = Workstation
Frontier Edition = Prosumer
RX Vega = Gamer

It resembles an accelerated Nvidia release.
Seems about right and at least AMD sees prosumers as professiobals with occasional gaming, unlike nvidia who sell the Titan Xp with gaming drivers.
#61
Fluffmeister
Shame the card is coming to prosumer no mans land first, but it's SPECView results aren't particularly stella, and it's gaming performance isn't up to speed yet apparently.

I guess they need to save face as they did say Vega was coming 1h 2017
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#62
Unregistered
FluffmeisterShame the card is coming to prosumer no mans land first, but it's SPECView results aren't particularly stella, and it's gaming performance isn't up to speed yet apparently.

I guess they need to save face as they did say Vega was coming 1h 2017
Vega 1h 2017. They never promised rx vega. Ryzen is was q1 and then only ryzen 7 was released. Similar with pascal and the i9's, albeit reversed there.
#63
jabbadap
XzibitI think thats where they are headed with this

MI25 = HPC
WX---- = Workstation
Frontier Edition = Prosumer
RX Vega = Gamer

It resembles an accelerated Nvidia release.
Quite right, but I would say VEGA FE is for AI/deep learning and Mi25 is the same but for datacenters. HPC needs FP64 which VEGA 10 lacks. Last HPC gpu from AMD has been hawaii based firepro S9100, with 2.11 TFlops of FP64. VEGA 20/NAVI will be the next gpu for HPC from AMD.
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#64
the54thvoid
Super Intoxicated Moderator
Nobody answered my genuine question though. Is RX Vega, Vega Founders Edition(I know) and M125 the same card? Same memory, same cores etc.
I think RX Vega is 8GB memory, so it is an identical situation, FE is Titan, more memory, same card. But M125, is that also the exact same card as FE?
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#65
Unregistered
the54thvoidNobody answered my genuine question though. Is RX Vega, Vega Founders Edition(I know) and M125 the same card? Same memory, same cores etc.
I think RX Vega is 8GB memory, so it is an identical situation, FE is Titan, more memory, same card. But M125, is that also the exact same card as FE?
Different drivers and the MI25 is an accelerator, meaning it's not for general workstation use with a monitor connected directly to the gpu. Accelerators are meant for servers and AI generally, not bormal workstation use and have completely different drivers.
#66
jabbadap
the54thvoidNobody answered my genuine question though. Is RX Vega, Vega Founders Edition(I know) and M125 the same card? Same memory, same cores etc.
I think RX Vega is 8GB memory, so it is an identical situation, FE is Titan, more memory, same card. But M125, is that also the exact same card as FE?
Vega FE uses 8-hi 8GB HBM2:s and RX Vega will use 4-Hi 4GB HBM2:s. PCB could be the same, core is the same. Raja said it's possibly to later release of 16GB version of RX vega
("
Can we pretty please get a 16 GB variant of Radeon RX Vega?
RK: We will definitely look at that…
"),
but first gaming version is for sure 8GB card.

PS. it's MI25, I not 1. Machine Intelligence 25.
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#69
I No
Hugh MungusEveryone's getting completely different results as well, though.
Thing is they aren't getting the discrepancy in resolution that the AMD screenies show. That's the fishy bit
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#70
Unregistered
I NoThing is they aren't getting the discrepancy in resolution that the AMD screenies show. That's the fishy bit
Monitor and rendered can be different. Think we're seeing confused software.
#72
EarthDog
$1k+ and no performance numbers out?????

Where do i stand in line????

Its at newegg and blt as well.
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#73
KainXS
I thought AMD sent some of these out for review or something, is this not the case.

At least they put the actual clocks on the Vega page now.

Typical Engine Clock: 1382MHz (Base Clock is not listed)
Peak Engine Clock: 1600MHz
Memory Clock: 945MHz
Typical Board Power: < 300W
PSU Recommendation: > 850W
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#74
Fluffmeister
EarthDog$1k+ and no performance numbers out?????

Where do i stand in line????

Its at newegg and blt as well.
Impressive isn't it, after all the hype, you can actually buy Vega, and based on Scan now showing pre-order many already have.

And we still don't really know how it performs, the mind boggles.
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#75
EarthDog
FluffmeisterImpressive isn't it, after all the hype, you can actually buy Vega, and based on Scan now showing pre-order many already have.

And we still don't really know how it performs, the mind boggles.
Thanks isn't enough...

QFT!!!!!
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