EarthDogOf course it would... but WHY? Why would i buy the card to underclock amd lower voltage? Why should users need or want to do this??
440W... just wow. The 295x2 was 500w... that was two cards.

The winter is here, AMD (& you know who;s) fans are still waiting for that dream of spring.

ZoneDymoyes... that is my argument, I'm trying to convince you of how silly that is....how does your mind work?

This is YOUR comment:
"Right now AMD has only reach Maxwell's level of efficiency and Nvidia is readying Volta architecture, imagine GTX 1170 that could be released anytime Nvidia felt like it, perform at 1080ti performance while chewing 1/3 the power of VEGA RX, selling for 450usd a pop"

so I responded how I would not understand anyone buying any Nvidia product any more for several hundereds of dollars when they have a cheaper one in 6 months already.
Honestly man..... just wtf.

oh okay so 980ti released 3 months after Titan X Maxwell (or 1080ti 8 months after titan X Pascal) should have screwed over many potential buyers for Nvidia then ? It was definitely not by long shot according to all the recent fiscals report from Nvidia.
Anyways if GTX1170 were to released in the next few months I'm sure buyers will swarm over it instantly contrary to your shallow reasoning lol, just that Nvidia see little reason doing so...

chaosmassiveso... this is RX 480 6-pin fiasco all over again ?

No. the 6 pin fiasco was at stock clocks. The vega only overdraws when OCed, which is common for big GPUs pushing the envelope. The 780ti and 980ti did the same thing.

RehmanpaImagine the gtx 1080 is actually a gtx 780. Now imagine the gtx 1080 ti is the 780 ti. Then imagine that rx vega is the r9 290x. This is history repeating itself all over again.

Not to mention as history is yet again repeating itself a new gpu generation is right around the corner (volta with the gtx 2080 or whatever it's called) and in the past it was Maxwell with the gtx 980.

That misses a crucial point. The 290x and 780ti had similar power draw and performance numbers. the 290x was very competitive with kepler.

Vega, OTOH, is not. performance between the 1080 and 1080ti but pulling gobs of power compared to the titanXp? That is not the same. This is more 390x vs 980/980ti, and we know how well that went.

I agree with the rest though. This launc, with its constant delays and poor performance, is so far a disaster for AMD. If nvidia gets volta out at the end of 2017, AMD is screwed for yet another GPU generation.

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Clickbait. FUD? Now pass the popcorn.

DeathtoGnomesClickbait. FUD? Now pass the popcorn.

What's the clickbait in "Liquid-cooled AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition Power Draw Tested"? The power draw was actually tested.

bugWhat's the clickbait in "Liquid-cooled AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition Power Draw Tested"? The power draw was actually tested.

About the fact that the card's power draw is within specs but the emphasis was on overdrawing during OC.

RTG holding RX Vega demo event in Budapest. Some Reddit user was live tweeting the event. RTG put up two PC, one with 1080 non-Ti, another RX Vega. According to the Reddit user, RXVega equals or is close to 1080 performance. Again this time it is RX Vega with presumably their lanuch driver, NOT vegafe. Head over to r/amd to read it yourself.

xkm1948RTG holding RX Vega demo event in Budapest. Some Reddit user was live tweeting the event. RTG put up two PC, one with 1080 non-Ti, another RX Vega. According to the Reddit user, RXVega equals or is close to 1080 performance. Again this time it is RX Vega with presumably their lanuch driver, NOT vegafe. Head over to r/amd to read it yourself.

Vega top dog or what XT, XTX, XL, XXXL :confused:

R0H1TVega top dog or what XT, XTX, XL, XXXL :confused:

Why would they demo a cut down version?

xkm1948Why would they demo a cut down version?

They shouldn't but you never know these days with AMD, also was it water cooled like the Fury X, according to the redditor?

R0H1TThey shouldn't but you never know these days with AMD, also was it water cooled like the Fury X, according to the redditor?

Apparently RTG hide EVERYTHING from curious eyes. They only confirmed it was RX Vega versus 1080 non-Ti.

go home, newbi

AlduinAmd has failed again in terms of efficiency
Where is that 4x efficiency over polaris architecture

AMD with CPU's and GPU's is like going to your B-type of erotic massage saloon. Sometimes they offer good massage but bad happy ending, and sometimes they offer bad massage but good happy ending, but never in between.

That chip is so enormous it's very terrible at efficiency. I'm sure that it's a king in bruteforce such as mining or any other type of crunching, but it's the design that makes this inefficient vs nvidia cards.

I'd still buy it tho. It's not like your using furmark for 24/7 anyways. Even if you game 1 up to 3 hours a week, it's a good videocard and many driver updates will fix those issues as well.

Someone said they switched their design team for graphic cards, they need to sack those people and call in the best they can get.

xkm1948Apparently RTG hide EVERYTHING from curious eyes. They only confirmed it was RX Vega versus 1080 non-Ti.

That sounds like bad news to me, only it's confirmed this time around.

Toms Germany has results ~ www.tomshardware.de/vega-benchmarks-workstation-leistungsaufnahme-gaming,testberichte-242375.html

Not as bad as some of the horror stories, but still bad enough, Vega FE btw :shadedshu:

Vega is probably the biggest disappointed from AMD since Bulldozer. From an engineering standpoint, it's a failure on every account. It's a much bigger chip than the GP104, it consumes almost twice as much power under load, and it's not faster than the GTX1080.
Great job AMD outsourcing your whole graphics design team to China!

nguyenoh okay so 980ti released 3 months after Titan X Maxwell (or 1080ti 8 months after titan X Pascal) should have screwed over many potential buyers for Nvidia then ? It was definitely not by long shot according to all the recent fiscals report from Nvidia.
Anyways if GTX1170 were to released in the next few months I'm sure buyers will swarm over it instantly contrary to your shallow reasoning lol, just that Nvidia see little reason doing so...

Is it not interesting how later on those 3 months turned to 8 months?
Man, its almost like maybe some people weren't all that happy....
Wonder what would happen if your card was suddenly worth half as much in half a year...ah well should go over well....

I never they would not buy it, apparently I have to repeat my first message as you have already forgot:
"Im not sure who in their right mind would still buy anything Nvidia if they would release a GTX1170 within the next 3 months that beats a GTX1080Ti...."

Now do please remember.
If you spend 800 euro on something and something half the price is released (less then) half a year later, then I seriously have to question the intelligence of the buyer to keep supporting that.
Its up to them sure, but like I said "who in their right mind", meaning only the not so smart.


(also I dont think you know what "shallow" means and obviously "buyers " would "swarm over it", they are called buyers because they are buying it...little redundant that one)

SupercritAbout the fact that the card's power draw is within specs but the emphasis was on overdrawing during OC.

Not many cards go beyond specs this easily, so that's newsworthy imho.

ZoneDymoIs it not interesting how later on those 3 months turned to 8 months?
Man, its almost like maybe some people weren't all that happy....
Wonder what would happen if your card was suddenly worth half as much in half a year...ah well should go over well....

I never they would not buy it, apparently I have to repeat my first message as you have already forgot:
"Im not sure who in their right mind would still buy anything Nvidia if they would release a GTX1170 within the next 3 months that beats a GTX1080Ti...."

Now do please remember.
If you spend 800 euro on something and something half the price is released (less then) half a year later, then I seriously have to question the intelligence of the buyer to keep supporting that.
Its up to them sure, but like I said "who in their right mind", meaning only the not so smart.


(also I dont think you know what "shallow" means and obviously "buyers " would "swarm over it", they are called buyers because they are buying it...little redundant that one)

I am not so bright then? I have bought top tier or near top tier Nvidia cards since I left my 7970’s behind. You think it's fair to call me an idiot?

Like my LG OLED TV? It's now superceded by the next model. Or like a smartphone?

It's ridiculous to call people unintelligent for choosing to buy a product that excels at its given task. We know tech moves on and each year makes last year cheaper.

For once the miners might not even touch this thing according to current power draw tests.

ZoneDymoIs it not interesting how later on those 3 months turned to 8 months?
Man, its almost like maybe some people weren't all that happy....
Wonder what would happen if your card was suddenly worth half as much in half a year...ah well should go over well....

I never they would not buy it, apparently I have to repeat my first message as you have already forgot:
"Im not sure who in their right mind would still buy anything Nvidia if they would release a GTX1170 within the next 3 months that beats a GTX1080Ti...."

Now do please remember.
If you spend 800 euro on something and something half the price is released (less then) half a year later, then I seriously have to question the intelligence of the buyer to keep supporting that.
Its up to them sure, but like I said "who in their right mind", meaning only the not so smart.


(also I dont think you know what "shallow" means and obviously "buyers " would "swarm over it", they are called buyers because they are buying it...little redundant that one)

So the pedestrian buyer is questioning the intelligent of people who have a job and can afford a little expensive equipments ? are you calling people buying exotic cars idiot because they can afford it because I know for sure cars lose their value even quicker. If you think enthusiasts are a bunch of morons then why bother posting in tech forum then ? I guess the only smart ones to you are the one mining ethereum with their RX 480 eh ?

I bought a Titan X Maxwell in march 2015 and was I salty because of the 980ti ? Nope i was happy because I got to play Witcher 3 ultra smooth (upgraded from 980) during that time frame and all the non optimized titles released later on (batman arkam knight, etc...), right now it still chug along fine in my friend PC with PUBG with texture streaming turned off which use more than 8GB VRAM. Had Nvidia not made Titan X Pascal harder to purchase I would have bought them also.

bugWhat's the clickbait in "Liquid-cooled AMD Radeon Pro Vega Frontier Edition Power Draw Tested"? The power draw was actually tested.

oh Idk prolly the fact that even tho its not intended as a gaming card everyones grandma is trying to test it as one, which has been hashed and discussed and its just old to see it still happening. So pass the damn popcorn and let the fanbois "discuss".

There are multiple problems with Vega:

1. It's too slow. If it were fast then atleast some of the following problems could be overlooked.
2. It's late. ~15 months after GTX 1080 it matches...a GTX 1080. Wich leads to the third point.
3. It consumes too much power for the performance it offers. Twice the power draw of an aftermarket 1080.

So even if it comes out at matches a GTX 1080 on price and performance (but not on efficiency) then i have to rhetorically ask: who is the potential buyer for this card? Well aside from a diehard AMD fanboy who on principle refuses to buy anything Nvidia.

Because if the people had the money or the will they could have had this performance 15 months ago. If not they could have bought a 1080 after 1080Ti launch when 1080 prices dropped to 499. From my point of view most potential Vega buyers are already running 1080 or 1080Ti. Either because they wanted whatever was on the market first or they got tired of waiting.

To who (or whom) does AMD exactly plan on marketing this card?. That's what i do't get.
If it had superior performance then the wait and the power draw could be atleast overlooked to get some people to ditch their 1080 or 1080Ti to go to Vega. As it stands you'll be replacing you current card with Vega that performans roughly equally or worse (vs 1080Ti) and you get double the power draw as a result. Unless you're running a Freesync monitor with your 1080 or 1080Ti (wich would be a pretty dumb combination) is see no upside to this.

Those that are running 1080/1080Ti won't switch. Those that had the money are already running Nvidia on the high end and so on. There could be "some" market for 480/580 and 1070 owners but my guess is that if you're running a 250-350 dollar card you won't suddenly go out and buy a 499 card (rumored RX Vega price) just because it's AMD (again - unless you're a diehard fanboy).

TomorrowThere are multiple problems with Vega:

1. It's too slow. If it were fast then atleast some of the following problems could be overlooked.
2. It's late. ~15 months after GTX 1080 it matches...a GTX 1080. Wich leads to the third point.
3. It consumes too much power for the performance it offers. Twice the power draw of an aftermarket 1080.

So even if it comes out at matches a GTX 1080 on price and performance (but not on efficiency) then i have to rhetorically ask: who is the potential buyer for this card? Well aside from a diehard AMD fanboy who on principle refuses to buy anything Nvidia.

Because if the people had the money or the will they could have had this performance 15 months ago. If not they could have bought a 1080 after 1080Ti launch when 1080 prices dropped to 499. From my point of view most potential Vega buyers are already running 1080 or 1080Ti. Either because they wanted whatever was on the market first or they got tired of waiting.

To who (or whom) does AMD exactly plan on marketing this card?. That's what i do't get.
If it had superior performance then the wait and the power draw could be atleast overlooked to get some people to ditch their 1080 or 1080Ti to go to Vega. As it stands you'll be replacing you current card with Vega that performans roughly equally or worse (vs 1080Ti) and you get double the power draw as a result. Unless you're running a Freesync monitor with your 1080 or 1080Ti (wich would be a pretty dumb combination) is see no upside to this.

Those that are running 1080/1080Ti won't switch. Those that had the money are already running Nvidia on the high end and so on. There could be "some" market for 480/580 and 1070 owners but my guess is that if you're running a 250-350 dollar card you won't suddenly go out and buy a 499 card (rumored RX Vega price) just because it's AMD (again - unless you're a diehard fanboy).

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :D

DeathtoGnomes:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead: :D

Yes, yes, we know. Vega will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's just that the world is just too stupid to see it.

bugYes, yes, we know. Vega will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's just that the world is just too stupid to see it.

Nope. Not saying that at all. Its the fanbois that read about 25% of the facts and say, "duh, who dis card target market? gamorz? lets pretend it is!!"