Tuesday, September 5th 2017
Intel Skylake-X HCC CPU Delidded by Der8auer, also not Soldered
Overclocking poster-boy Der8auer has seemingly gotten his hands on some early samples of Intel's Skylake-X high core count (HCC)HEDT CPUs. The upcoming 12 to 18-core enthusiast-class CPUs are being launched on the same X299 platform on socket LGA 2066 that Intel has already launched 4 (Kaby Lake-X), 6, 8 and 10-core parts already, and are supposed to bring Intel towards a level playing field - and then some - with competitor AMD's Threadripper CPUs, which boast of up to 16 cores.
From this delidding process with Der8auer's own delidding tool, Delid-Die-Mate-X, seems to result a die that is much larger - as expected - than Intel's 10-core i9-7900X. At the same time, it seems that Intel is still opting, again, for not soldering its enthusiast-targeted CPUs, which would result in better temperatures and, potentially, overclocking potential. The fact that Der8auer managed to delid the i9-7920X and didn't recommend against doing it likely means that there is minimal risk of damaging your CPU while subjecting it to this process. This is something the renowned overclocker did do when he recommended that users shouldn't delid their Ryzen or Threadripper CPUs looking for better temperatures, since the fact that these were soldered would likely result in both catastrophic damage and a much diminished chance of operating temperatures improvement through the application of special purpose thermal compounds. The Facebook post from Der8auer with the delidded 7920X likely serves as an appetizer for an upcoming delid video on YouTube, as has been the overclocker's MO.
Sources:
Der8auer's Facebook, via Overclock 3D
From this delidding process with Der8auer's own delidding tool, Delid-Die-Mate-X, seems to result a die that is much larger - as expected - than Intel's 10-core i9-7900X. At the same time, it seems that Intel is still opting, again, for not soldering its enthusiast-targeted CPUs, which would result in better temperatures and, potentially, overclocking potential. The fact that Der8auer managed to delid the i9-7920X and didn't recommend against doing it likely means that there is minimal risk of damaging your CPU while subjecting it to this process. This is something the renowned overclocker did do when he recommended that users shouldn't delid their Ryzen or Threadripper CPUs looking for better temperatures, since the fact that these were soldered would likely result in both catastrophic damage and a much diminished chance of operating temperatures improvement through the application of special purpose thermal compounds. The Facebook post from Der8auer with the delidded 7920X likely serves as an appetizer for an upcoming delid video on YouTube, as has been the overclocker's MO.
171 Comments on Intel Skylake-X HCC CPU Delidded by Der8auer, also not Soldered
We knew Skylake-X it's not soldered for 3 months already. der8auer was just confirming that his deliding tool works for HCC dies as well.
What's with the news recycling happening lately?
Why? Think about it. Do we have to solder our heatsinks and/or waterblocks to the IHS to get better heat transfer? Of course not! Don't be silly. We apply TIM to these components just like Intel does but the difference between what Intel did and what we do is we clamp the heatsync and/or waterblock down really tight against the IHS. The TIM really isn't there to be the heat transfer medium, it's really only there to fill in the microscopic imperfections in the metal to facilitate better transfer of heat.
Now if Intel were able to manage to close the gap between the underside of the IHS and the die then the heat transfer would be just as efficient as it is between the IHS and our heatsinks and/or waterblocks.
My personal 7900X CPU loads @ 4.5 GHz on all cores @ 1.235V, at... 70-80c? Like, it's 10 cores, and a huge whack of cache, pulling well close to 300W... 275, actually. All managed quite well by a 280mm rad.Yeah, I am not sure that tidbit made the news rounds, so many did not see those results, and also, I have a feeling not many people that complain about X299 CPUs being hot actually have one, since you often end up pushing 300W through that TIM in order to be able to make it overheat. If the TIM was so bad, it would not be able to handle that 300W, but with an adequate AIO, it does, and quite well, I might add.
The only person I ever saw that actually defends the 7900x... Some people are just innately comical.. and not in a good way
Like for der8auer's uses, benching sub-zero, yeah, maybe not the most optimal, but that's not how I use my chips, so I could care less about that aspect of it. It's about reading the information within the proper context. ;)
See, I see Intel CPUs with paste TIM and high overhead and think "wow, they made good chips", and then I see AMD's soldered chips and think "hey, they NEED that solder, because these chips have no overhead", and that's good enough for me.
80c lmao what a joke
And it isent even soldered to those prices.
Oh well dosent matter to me, i am staying on my trusty x58 pc. So amd as well as intel can suck it :p
I al ready got all i need.
Anyway I am really curious to see how something like a 7980XE would be able to maintain clocks considering it is a massive die and it still uses TIM.
Also the CPUs do eventually throttle at stock under avx load... or at least mine does.
Even with a -3 offset within a few minutes of priming the clock starts to dip. Mine is sitting on a AIO at 1.16v @ 4.6 Ghz and while it's fine, i could definitely push higher with a delid.
"2066... what kind of an idiot question is that... why would you even ask me that?"
"uhmmm... so we just got the shipment in, and uh, we might have a problem..."
"oh my god... those clowns... quick get the converter PCBs and just glue it on there."
even the 7980 XE can do 4,5Ghz on water.
cant wait to buy it :)