Friday, December 1st 2017
AMD Second-generation Ryzen "Pinnacle Ridge" Confirmed to Support AM4
AMD, in an interview with Overclockers UK (OCUK), confirmed that its second-generation Ryzen desktop processors will support the existing AM4 socket, so current Ryzen platform users can seamlessly upgrade to the new processors, with a BIOS update. Most current AM4 socket motherboards will require BIOS updates to support Ryzen "Raven Ridge" desktop APUs, and Ryzen "Pinnacle Ridge" CPUs, as the two require an update to the latest AGESA 1.0.0.7 version. In the interview, AMD representative James Prior confirmed that the company plans to keep AM4 its mainstream-desktop processor socket all the way up to 2020, which means at least another two to three generations of processors for it.
The next generation is "Pinnacle Ridge," which is rumored to be an optical-shrink of the "Summit Ridge" silicon to the 12 nm process, enabling higher clock speeds. The decision to keep AM4 doesn't mean the company's 300-series chipset will be made to stretch over 3 years. The company could release newer chipsets, particularly to address 300-series chipset's main shortcoming, just 6-8 older PCI-Express gen 2.0 general purpose lanes (while Intel chipsets put out up to 24 gen 3.0 lanes).
Source:
OCUK (Facebook)
The next generation is "Pinnacle Ridge," which is rumored to be an optical-shrink of the "Summit Ridge" silicon to the 12 nm process, enabling higher clock speeds. The decision to keep AM4 doesn't mean the company's 300-series chipset will be made to stretch over 3 years. The company could release newer chipsets, particularly to address 300-series chipset's main shortcoming, just 6-8 older PCI-Express gen 2.0 general purpose lanes (while Intel chipsets put out up to 24 gen 3.0 lanes).
149 Comments on AMD Second-generation Ryzen "Pinnacle Ridge" Confirmed to Support AM4
Budget aspect as well. Maybe a buyer doesn't have the flexibility to buy a higher core count now but is hoping he will have the capability down the road months/1-2years down the road. When that opportunity comes those cpu/mb combos might not be available anymore and will have to purchase all new CPU/MB combo.
That said, doesnt change anything, really. I can see it worth it to some, but... the way some talk, its like the second coming having that ability. :pand you only lose out on IPC. A couple to several percent. Not a huge deal. Particularly when intel has the ipc lead by the same amount. ;)
It's a big deal because in the past if you wanted an upgrade path you had to go with the AMD FM2 and AM3+ crappy products (going from a dual core APU to a quad core, or a Phenom II/Athlon II/Sempron to an FX), now with AM4 you can finally have a proper upgrade path AND good performance, something Intel doesn't offer since the socket 775 days.
...mobos are revised on both sides...
...i dont get it.
Can you link the whitepaper? Pretty sure pcie lanes are bidirectional, which would certainly differentiate how those work, no?vega level promise? WTH?? IPC increases on intel have been a couple percent the past few gens, no doubt small increases..but they are there. That said, i was talking about amd IPC. Nobody knows what that will be with zen 2. Id gather 10% or so... but maybe its more... maybe less. Plenty of truths of amd resting on their laurels as well. Only time will tell.
Intel has an upgrade path. It doesnt have a generational upgrade path, correct. But how much you are really gaining seems to fet blown out of proportion. It really is situation specfic if its worth it or not. :)
That said, I was thinking you were providing a whitepaper to support the 2Tx2R (MIMO??!! LOL!) comment. Did i miss it??? :(
...looking again...
EDIT: I saw nothing about the lanes being divided up to 2T/2R...
No just knew i seen the answer before in one of those WP. Didn't really want to look through them.Lazy bastards. :p
Can you link that so I can read it myself? I'm not getting it without surrounding context... and I'm tired. :)
However, the chart bta posted is about the CPUs paired with chipsets. So those 4 lanes must be used for the chipset in those cases.
Intel simply forces you to buy a new motherboard to use the latest cpu's.
AMD WP is 600+ pages.. maybe i'll read it sometime.Since its inception its been x4 tied to PCIe speed
Most of the tech sites are claiming the same for AMD side x4 3.0 like the diagram you posted. Only difference would be connectivity option via the chipset.
This graph btarunr posted is wrong because AMD and Intel only allocate x4 lanes to chipset.Lanes TO
fromchipset should all be Gen 3.0 x4. Connectivity from those 4 lanes will vary by chipset.I think RAID and overclock options a bigger deal than the internal bandwidth of the motherboard, the CPU covers that perfectly fine even on Intel.
Take a look at the H110: ark.intel.com/products/90590/Intel-H110-Chipset
Not even RAID 0 or 1, not even on the B250 chipset.
I consider the quality of a product based on it's low end offering, as that is what I will be selling more often, if not always (my country is not precisely in an economic boom), and the low end on Intel is worse than VIA, you get nothing. Now compare an A320 chipset.
If one is comparing Intel and AMD offering it should be to current available offerings. 2xx & 3xx on Intel side. Either way its being made a fuzz over when both are limited to the same bandwidth.
Its all e-pen measuring if the current CPUs-to-Chipsets are x4 3.0 from both camps. Its what connections it offers through that which vary.
So it's pretty unlikely that many AM4 users will buy with with APU and upgrade to faster CPU after few years.
I mean: when AMD first said that AM4 will be active until 2020 (mid 2016?), it was quite impressive. But at this point 2020 is just 2 years away. It's really shocking how slowly AMD releases stuff.
OK, you might be interested in AM4 Zen, but lets say you're one of the people that don't buy into new, unproven stuff. So you're still not on this platform - you're waiting for Zen+ or something. This effectively takes the 3.5-4 year lifespan down to 2 at best.
Compare all that to Intel, who:
1) doesn't serve us such revolutions in consumer segment very often (and if they do, it's usually stuff already tested in server chips),
2) floods us with new chips fairly quickly: usually the whole range is available within half a year from original release.Actually it's pretty unlikely that motherboard fails on its own, if you don't tinker with it (OC, modding etc).
But when it does... well, it's not that bad. As far as Intel goes, motherboards supporting CPUs from the last 4-5 years are usually fairly easy to find in stores. I.e. today you'd have no problem buying a 1150 mobo (not any model ever made, obviously).
And lets be honest: after 4-5 years some general changes in PCs are already visible and should convince you to upgrade to newer platform.
I recently moved from a 7-year-old 775 to 1151 (Kaby Lake). The last 2 years were really a struggle. I was still on DDR2, on USB 2.0 and on early PCIe, so no new GPU worked very well.I find this argument pretty weak. :-P i7-4790K is still available today - 3.5 years since it's release (and 4.5 years from 1150 launch).
CPUs (especially the higher ones) are usually available for a long time. Compared to mobos there are way less variants, the production is centralized and they're smaller (smaller storage cost).
PC (and motherboard in particular) is just a weird box that you connect other things to (the really useful ones). Sure: it's great to have a fast CPU, so sometimes an upgrade is worth it. But at the same time having an old motherboard is a proper limitation of how you can use your PC. And it's a huge cost generator, when you start buying add-on cards.
General remark / dreaming:
To be honest, I'm kind of disappointed by how all this turned out to be. It's almost 2018 and we're still approaching the same issues we had 20 years ago - even though the whole environment changed. I really though we'd already be past the whole "replaceable CPU" idea - at least to a point, where you have a choice.
We got NUCs (some pretty powerful ones even), but this is still not what I hoped for.
Think about how much of the CPU + mobo cost stems from the fact that they aren't soldered together in the factory. And if you're on SoC (like Ryzen), think about how pointless your motherboard is. It just connects things, half of which you don't use. And the interfaces got so fast that PC should have already been made out of separate modules, not parts put on the same PCB. And you can do that by getting a Thunderbolt 3 connected NUC + exGPU + drive case.
If your not running the latest connections a 1150 is still fine. Heck some here still run 775. Every once in awhile you'll see a member asking for parts in the forum that he cant find because stores don't stock nor keep things after 2 gens if they don't sell, Maybe its different in Poland but here in the states after the new gen is released most chains get rid of last gen stock. Plus most of the stuff online is from 3rd party vendors that get put up close to initial selling price.
The sillyness is people don't want others to have that longevity of a socket. I never bought an AMD CPU but if I could still find new (not used or refurbished) boards for my old Intel sockets i'd probably buy them and keep them longer instead of moving to a new system and giving the oldest away.
Socket 775 was 2006. You bought 4yrs into it and it lasted you 7 years. Let that sink in 11yrs. Yet some how find a way to complain about a socket projected to last from 2017-2020. That's 3 years. Remember you bought into socket 775 4yrs after it was released. :kookoo: