This is getting worse and worse.
WoW has what, 8 slots by default? World of Tanks also has something similar. Plus, those games are quite... different.
Here we are talking about a second one! Stop trying to justify every bullshit under the sun.

I'm not trying to justify their actions, it is within their rights to do. Just as it is within my right to not spend money on it. I'm not going to lose sleep on something, I do not intend to spend a dime on. Talking trash about a company is the same as praising them keeps their name from being forgotten. The way I see it is the default number of save slots are not enough and that is not enough. Thus I would never spend money on the game no matter how good it is (actually if it was good I could reason with you guys). So what I'm ultimately puzzled about and point is that people spent $60 on a shit game and are complaining about a $10 save slot and not the fact that there is only one save slot. Watching gameplay footage, Konami is doing anyone who bought the game a service, no one should ever suffer a second play through.

TotallyWhy is everyone freaking out? This is absolutely nothing new, WoW does this, FFXIV does this. Those are two off the top of my head that charge for extra character slots. FFXIV charges $10 a month per extra character if you are paying for a standard sub and a not premium sub.

I've played both and no they don't. But even if they did, it's still wrong. With WOW you paid per account and you had a limit of how many playable characters you could have per account. Not the same as save game slots for a single player game.

lexluthermiesterI've played both and no they don't. But even if they did, it's still wrong. With WOW you paid per account and you had a limit of how many playable characters you could have per account. Not the same as save game slots for a single player game.

I stopped playing FFXIV just before stormblood, and then for a standard sub it was 1 character per server and if you wanted an alt that was an additional charge. I doubt they've changed their policy in a short few months.

FYFI13As you can see they do learn from EA.

Despite our hate for their tactics, EA is doing better and better: www.nasdaq.com/symbol/ea/financials?query=income-statement
So why wouldn't everybody else follow suit?

bugDespite our hate for their tactics, EA is doing better and better: www.nasdaq.com/symbol/ea/financials?query=income-statement
So why wouldn't everybody else follow suit?

That bubble is going to pop..

hatThey should have learned that it seems most gamers don't like getting bent over and bumrushed by the people they're buying the game from... see SWBF2.

Sadly enough the majority keeps bending over despite their complains.

TotallyI stopped playing FFXIV just before stormblood, and then for a standard sub it was 1 character per server and if you wanted an alt that was an additional charge. I doubt they've changed their policy in a short few months.

To be fair, I've never personally played FF14. Have watched it being played quite a bit and never noticed a character limitation like you mentioned. WOW was more my thing BITD.

GoldenXThey either want to completely destroy the Metal Gear franchise, or are the tipical greedy Japanese company.

Prima.VeraTypical Japanese greed and callousness.
And their government are still wondering why ALL their majoring companies went or are going down to toilet...

Good job on the casual racism there. I'd say it's somewhat safe to give the US credit for inventing modern predatory capitalism, though Britain is also a strong contender. So, maybe tone it down, and refrain from the "all companies/people/other from country X are bad" statements? I'd recommend not thinking like that either, but I might be biting over more than I can chew there.

ValantarGood job on the casual racism there. I'd say it's somewhat safe to give the US credit for inventing modern predatory capitalism, though Britain is also a strong contender. So, maybe tone it down, and refrain from the "all companies/people/other from country X are bad" statements? I'd recommend not thinking like that either, but I might be biting over more than I can chew there.

Agreed. But, y'know, we live in times of logical stupidity. Too bad people in some parts of the world, with at least a high school education, aren't always taught basic logical operators.

I have a friend who is a defense lawyer and she will ask me about logical arguments that she can use for her cases (without breaking attorney-client privilege). Her job is to show some doubt in the minds of jurors, even if little. Yes, it's a flawed system but here in the USA, the idea is that you must prove "beyond reasonable doubt" to find someone guilty. Jurors themselves aren't the most logical people, so, that is quite easy in some cases. If there is some doubt, well, then the accused is supposed to be found not guilty. However, I digress as this is off-topic to the main discussion.

One last thing - the point of agreement with you is that you and I (and some others on TPU) understand that some people do not understand that "all cats are black" is a flawed argument.

TotallyI stopped playing FFXIV just before stormblood, and then for a standard sub it was 1 character per server and if you wanted an alt that was an additional charge. I doubt they've changed their policy in a short few months.

Yes, one character-per-server for an entry membership. However, they do offer other options. What you said is a "standard" sub is, actually, SE's "Entry" sub. So, if you did play and you wanted more than one character-per-server, you had options:

lexluthermiesterThat bubble is going to pop..

I'm hoping it will, but I'll believe it when I see it.

FxHmm... define rich. I spend $300-400 every year when I buy all of the games on my steam wishlist during black friday. Sure, that aggregates to thousands after >6 years, but I certainly wouldn't define myself as worse off.

One must have entertainment in their life and you will pay for it one way or another.

microtransactions in games cost WAY more than whatever you have spent buying those games.

arterius2microtransactions in games cost WAY more than whatever you have spent buying those games.

True, but a lot of people are entertained with games that have no micro transactions, or don’t bother with them in games that do.

rtwjunkieTrue, but a lot of people are entertained with games that have no micro transactions, or don’t bother with them in games that do.

Well, that's why more and more games have microtransactions built in thesedays, it's almost impossible to avoid them as a consumer. There is a hyper addictive element in those microtransactions that is a way more complex problem than just saying "people should avoid them". Same reason why telling people "Don't do drugs" almost never works as a way to deter people from doing drugs.

arterius2Well, that's why more and more games have microtransactions built in thesedays, it's almost impossible to avoid them as a consumer. There is a hyper addictive element in those microtransactions that is a way more complex problem than just saying "people should avoid them". Same reason why telling people "Don't do drugs" almost never works as a way to deter people from doing drugs.

The problem is pay to win. You can avoid mtxs, but then you have to waste your own time to do something that people with more disposable income do way more easily.
However, the problem as hand is even worse than pay to win. Now we have pay to play by yourself. I wouldn't be surprised if this gets flagged as illegal in some jurisdictions.

Since when calling a greedy company greedy is racist? It's a greedy company in Japan, it's a typical japanese greedy company.
Man this new trend of being offended...

GoldenXSince when calling a greedy company greedy is racist? It's a greedy company in Japan, it's a typical japanese greedy company.
Man this new trend of being offended...

Your logic is.....not very logical. A greedy company in Japan does not translate to typical. Typical would represent a strong majority. We only see 1 here.

EA is a greedy company in the U.S. Does that make it typical of all American companies?

They should have named this game


Metal GEAR: "dialogue, intermittent game play edition"

There's a good game here, but after about the first 45 minutes or so ,it seems like they threw in the towel and said "OK let's just set it to rinse and repeat and call it a day". Not to mention the giant chameleon end guy is terrible "shoot him in the tail!"

The only thing worse than the 85% of dialogue screens, is the terrible use of English ,along with that (still unpalatable) Japanese "b-movie-grade" character voicing/acting.

If there was a lean to the side and fart emoticon, this game would get five out of five

rtwjunkieYour logic is.....not very logical. A greedy company in Japan does not translate to typical. Typical would represent a strong majority. We only see 1 here.

EA is a greedy company in the U.S. Does that make it typical of all American companies?

Well, to be honest, when you have companies like Sony or Softbank which, literally, sell their products to AT LEAST DOUBLE the price compared to external competition (that's not even an exageration), is so very hard not to generalize anymore, since the rest of the Japanese companies are closelly following the trend, agreed, not on the same callous and ridiculous level as those two.

All companies are greedy, that's why they exist, to make profit. And at the very least the american ones try to soft their punches to the consumer a bit.
I still hate CAPCOM thou.

GoldenXAll companies are greedy, that's why they exist, to make profit.

Making profit does not always equal greedy. Let's face it, everyone wants to make a living and succeed. What makes things like the nonsense EA, Apple, Microsoft and now Konomi different from the usual efforts is that instead of providing a product/service and asking a fair price, they're charging a price and then nickle&dime everyone to continue playing a game they've already paid for. In Konami's case here, they're charging people for access to BASIC functionality. That's what makes this a literal crime. It's technically a form of racketeering. And even if an argument could be made that it's not a crime, it's still ethically flawed, morally bankrupt and just plain freaking wrong.

GoldenXAnd at the very least the American ones try to soft their punches to the consumer a bit.

It's still unacceptable greed. Doesn't matter if they candy-coat it.

This trend feels like companies are testing the waters to see how far they can go before the governments of the world give them the smack-down. Hoping that happens soon. Or at least give us the right to easily sue the crap out of them when they cross lines like this.

Best attack we have is not buying, that's something capitalism can't fix, if you don't buy, they are forced to change.
Besides, I don't see Konami doing something of quality without a creative mind behind it, they burned their own ships and bridges.

Prima.VeraWell, to be honest, when you have companies like Sony or Softbank which, literally, sell their products to AT LEAST DOUBLE the price compared to external competition (that's not even an exageration), is so very hard not to generalize anymore, since the rest of the Japanese companies are closelly following the trend, agreed, not on the same callous and ridiculous level as those two.

Not sure where that "at least double" comes from. I don't own Sony products (in part because some of the things they did in the past), but their smartphones, TVs or headphones certainly don't cost twice as much as the competition.

I wonder. If there was NO piracy, would Konami be giving this extra save slot for free? I mean, if we consider what companies say about how much money they are losing from piracy, they could be making 5-10 times more money from the game sales alone. Because everyone who downloads would definitely buy the game at it's full price. Right? So they wouldn't have to charge extra for things like that.
Or would they be asking for $20 knowing that people have NO alternatives?

GoldenXSince when calling a greedy company greedy is racist? It's a greedy company in Japan, it's a typical japanese greedy company.
Man this new trend of being offended...

Offended? Nope, just pointing out how you're using a single point of reference to generalize about an entire country - which, in case you missed it, is racist. Congratulations on that.

If you still fail to see this, here's a breakdown of what you said:

GoldenXThey either want to completely destroy the Metal Gear franchise, or are the tipical [sic] greedy Japanese company.

You're saying that it's typical of Japanese companies to be greedy, with nothing backing this up beyond this being an example of one (seemingly) greedy Japanese country. Generalization by extrapolating "one = all" (or even "most") with regard to foreign cultures and peoples? Yep, that's racism at its very core.

Prima.VeraWell, to be honest, when you have companies like Sony or Softbank which, literally, sell their products to AT LEAST DOUBLE the price compared to external competition (that's not even an exageration), is so very hard not to generalize anymore, since the rest of the Japanese companies are closelly following the trend, agreed, not on the same callous and ridiculous level as those two.

a) This isn't true. Japanese products aren't more expensive than comparable counterparts in most markets. Is Sony particularly expensive? Nope, not at all. Can you name me a single product category where they're significantly more expensive than the competition?
b) Japan is a high cost country, with relatively high wages and a high cost of living. They also have a crazy market for high-end electronics. As such, they focus on making high-end products - especially for domestic sale - as making cheap stuff doesn't make sense there. This does of course skew their production towards the expensive side, but it doesn't mean that their products are more expensive than comparable alternatives.