dj-electricwhooosh...

I was talking about payment for services and games.
As a PC gamer, you don't pay those 150$ for 3 years of online play, and if you buy games on a regular basis, add a few more hundreds to that.

Paying only 400-500$ initially on the machine gives the illusion of saving money.

lasConsole games are much better optimized than PC games, especially exclusives, which is the only thing I play on console.

NaitoHe has a point though. For the cost of roughly what you'd for an upper mid-range GPU you'll get an entire system capable of running up to 4K.

RH92That up to 4K is very tricky though ! At what avg frame rate , what 0,1% lows and the most important what graphical settings ..........

NaitoThat is true, but you can't compare them to a $150 GPU as consoles often employ various tricks and techniques to provide a higher level of fidelity and when gaming at two, three or more meters from a TV, you probably wouldn't notice as much difference while engrossed by the game.

And sure, if you're looking for the best visuals and framerate possible, spend big on a decent gaming rig, but if you're a more casual gamer or budget minded, a console may be a pretty decent choice.

Just a note that the PC used in that comparison is running a GTX 1080 Ti; that GPU by itself at least 2 or 3 times the price of a console.

efikkanIf by "optimized" you mean console games have optimized content to hit that 30 FPS target, then yes.
If by "optimized" you mean console games perform significantly better than comparable PC hardware, then generally no. Lack of scalability in console ports doesn't mean they are optimized for consoles, it just means they have not designed it to be scalable.

RH92My point with that video was to show that you can't compare 4K on console and PC ( heck i wouldn't even compare it to 1080p on PC ) .

NaitoIt's the budget I'm getting at - a console puts out very respectable performance for a rather small investment. Can't speak for the PS4, but most Xbox One X games have different performance modes. The 1080p modes are very, very good quality and you won't get that from a similarly priced PC.

NaitoI'm not turning this into a console vs PC war - each to their own and all that. I'm very fortunate to own both a 4K capable PC and an Xbox One X. For the money, the Xbox One X packs a punch and puts out very decent performance (also doubles as a 4K Blu-ray player). The GPU in my PC was almost as expensive as my Xbox.

lasConsoles can extract very good graphics and performance from mediocre hardware. Why? Good optimization.

lasYou seem to hate consoles, so why participate in this thread.
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Both PS4 Pro and One X looks pretty nice on my 65" 4K/UHD OLED with HDR

efikkanThat's a myth. There is nothing inherently faster with console hardware than PC hardware.

RH921080p Full capable PC's don't cost much more than a console and will certainly provide better graphical quality!

NaitoYou would struggle to, in my honest opinion, particularly if you were aiming to buy all new components for warranty purposes. I believe you under estimate how powerful the console refreshes (XOX/PS4P) are. Say XOX GPU is most similar to a RX580; that GPU alone is $450AU. So building a computer for $650AU (the XOX price), with 4K Blu-ray support and other equivalent features, will be very difficult indeed. That'd be true even if the prices weren't inflated due to supply issues. Then there's the closer to metal tools developers can use to squeeze extra performance out of games.

dj-electric4 new consoles within 10 years. That's rich. :laugh:
Stop funding this 80s trend of closed machines with shitty closed OSs already...

RH92I already adressed this point in my last reply : 1080p Full capable PC's don't cost much more than a console and will certainly provide better graphical quality !



Well i own a 4K capable PC as well and i've owned many consoles in the past , i agree when you say each to their own and im certainly not trying to turn this into a PC vs console war since as im trying to demonstrate comparing PCs and consoles makes litle sense . All this is a question of standards , consoles provide a good all in one gaming experience for sure but if you want maximal graphical fidelity you have no choice but to go with PC .

dj-electric^
People like you who fuel console sales fund this fad. Users get locked in, bending to whatever rules and regulations thrown at them by the always hungry money makers like Microsoft\Sony.

Keep telling yourself that you get a smooth (30FPS) and beautiful (pop ins, low res textures) experience on the pathetic hardware that PS4 has. FX CPU? lol, that low power Jaguar CPU thats in there is similar to a 4 generation old Core i3 at best.

Keep paying just for the right to play with your friend. Keep being restricted to a limited input selection, to one operating system, to DRM, to inexcusably expensive games and services, to a limited library without being able to use other Etailers to buy your games. Stay zombified, drooling over every shitty promise at every E3 to re-invent your gaming experience. Keep the illusion that all games are optimized, that the only payment a user have is for the hardware itself, and there's no bugs or issues of any kind.

JoniISkandarcan you build 399$ Equivalent PS4 Pro 1080p gaming with PC ? what can you build ? Inlcuding Windows OS, RAM Price and GPU Price right now is fucked, the main thing Console for casual gamer not some people that spend Thousand dollar to play game is Easy use, just turn on Console and plug Bluray disc and play
no bother FPS Drop when certain Setting apply, especially with LOW END gaming machine cost just 400$, and trying to get rid with game settings, to maintain stable FPS,, dont forget Software update like Driver when new game come out,,
dont say you can build with junk USED pc hardware from ebay,,if you do and you can do same when buy PS4 pro used right now is only around 200$,,

JoniISkandarHUH DUR im asking you BUILD 400$ PC including Windows OS that can run New Game with lot detail that you praise so much on PC without messing around with settings and without bother New game released and asking yourself is my PC can run this thing without upgrade plus updating new driver,, but what you throw to me ? huh

efikkanThat's a myth. There is nothing inherently faster with console hardware than PC hardware. The software isn't faster either, at least not outside the margin of error. As I mentioned, the limit of actual console optimizations today are calibration of the content to fit a target frame rate. Any optimizations outside of that should benefit AMD on the desktop just as well as Xbox One and PS4, and while AMD favoring titles certainly exist, the favor usually is in the range of 5-20%. This is not enough to make a significant difference. The current consoles are low end hardware compared to PCs, we've not yet seen software optimization in games to make up for this.