Thursday, July 5th 2018

On Ubisoft's Aim to End Finite Gaming Experiences

Lionel Rainaud, Executive Vice President of Creative for Ubisoft's Canadian studios, shared via a blog post an interesting, albeit not novel idea, for games. The aim is to end the disparaging of resources that is the finite game experience: as in, the game that you experience once or twice, but that once you've seen the campaign's completion and finished all the end content, goes back on the shelf never to see the light of your interest again: all the development time (measured in years) and effort (and dollars) for what amounts to an 8-hour experience (or less). The goal, then, seems to be to take online experiences to a whole new level, where a game's content can be constantly updated so as to keep the credits from rolling.
"(...) the will to not give finite experiences. The idea was that you have this conflict, and the resolution, and then it's finished - you've killed the bad guy, for instance. We build a strong nemesis, and the goal of the game is to kill him or free the country, we've done that a few times in our games. But when you succeed, you have to leave the game, because there is nothing else to do. So the goal was to break this, and say that you will be the hero of a region or population many times, not just once. And if you get rid of a dictator or an oppressor, something else is going to happen in the world, and you will have a new goal.
At a high level, this seems like an interesting idea, if not a novel one. This has been done time and again in the past with MMO games - WoW, anyone? More recently, it is being explored, arguably badly, by Destiny 2 - and will likewise be too by BioWare's Anthem. The idea for an infinite experience with constant content drops isn't a new one, and is the holy grail of today's revenue schemes for games: microtransactions, cosmetics, and downloadable content. I get giddy thinking of the promise of a game like Destiny 2 done right - a breathing world, with constant quests that advance the storyline unfolding organically with in-game events, single-player DLC drops that are essentially a new game, a new campaign - I'd love for Halo Infinite to be something of the sort, if it was done right. Reduced development times? Yearly campaign content drops? Yes please.
But at the same time, I'm unsure. I'm unsure because game development is a business, and as a business, they (developers/publishers) will look to leverage the maximum amount of profit they can. And there are multiple ways to do that in these experiences.
Take Lionel Rainaud's quote, for instance. If there's one thing I value is closure - story arcs that unfold and end organically, that have a beginning and an end - a challenge that is met by us and the characters of these worlds, the struggle to defeat conflict, and then the consequences of said conflict. There's such a thing as wanting to have an impact in the world - at least in these 3D ones. It's empowering. It feels right. Now imagine finishing Far Cry 4, defeating Pagan Min... And oh but wait. Now there's another one dictator taking his place. And then another one. And oh now there's a warlord vying for control. And now another one. There's such a thing as desensitization. If done right, the story has to move forward at all times - not be frozen in time with these cheap, almost automatic artifices and systems. The Nemesis system used in Middle Earth: Shadow of War is great in an enclosed campaign, adding a personal conflict to Talion, and for us, gamers, to surpass. Can you imagine a game that surpasses being finite by constantly throwing a new warchief at you? For me, that might be cool for a while, but it's tiring, and depressing - what am I doing with my time? There are infinite orcs here.
Another very important measure, and perhaps the most important, because it's the most likely: industry stagnation. A game that has no end and can (theoretically) last the entirety of a console's shelf-life with mere content drops, without the need to revamp the graphical engine or the games' systems, will likely stagnate not only technology, but also the entire development of the videogame market. If games have extended "online support" periods, and if studios can keep using their tools to just build and build on top of the game, they'll do it. If after a game is done, it will last for years, and most of the world has been built, then there's no need to retain as many developers in the team - a skeleton crew will accomplish that just fine, and increase the bottom line at that. At the same time, since there's no longer a need to push for the best-looking games at such a regular basis - what counts is the amount of time you spend in the experience, doh! - it's likely graphics and game systems' development would take a hit as well, and slow down the new generation of hardware.
Like everything, this approach has in it the potential to be amazing for the games medium and the industry... Or the exact opposite. I tremble, because most times, the smartest business choices aren't the best ones for gamers, developers, or the advancement of the medium. That is usually ruled mostly by the good old greenback.
Source: News @ Ubisoft
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35 Comments on On Ubisoft's Aim to End Finite Gaming Experiences

#26
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
enxo218to me the very war with the templars and worldly threat never end. It's true the setting and actors are refreshed but what I assume is the core aspect of the game has no end.
I guess that is certainly another way to look at it. If that is what Ubi wants to do, then they are already doing it and it is not very intrusive.
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#27
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
He could be talking about the return of true expansion packs too. Make Assassin's Creed V in one environment then release more and more expansion packs (each with their own full campaign) that flesh out the world more and more. I mentioned Watch_Dogs previously because it's a title that could really benefit from that.
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#28
Vayra86
FordGT90ConceptHe could be talking about the return of true expansion packs too. Make Assassin's Creed V in one environment then release more and more expansion packs (each with their own full campaign) that flesh out the world more and more. I mentioned Watch_Dogs previously because it's a title that could really benefit from that.
In essence almost every game in history ever that had an expansion or even post release DLC can be considered the same concept, just in a more limited shape.

There really is nothing new here, in the end its just a business decision to keep investing in the same project and keep expanding it, and that decision is based not on roadmaps but on sales numbers. It really is that simple. No developer ever will tie himself to a commitment to keep investing in one project forever and neither is Ubisoft saying anything of the sort. They just try to make it look like that.

The only possible differences exist in the actual implementation and how long or how far you are willing to draw it out. The MMO is the perfect example of this.

Realistically: what defines 'a full campaign'? There is no set definition, and it doesn't matter if content is called 'DLC' or 'Expansion' or 'New game'. Its content. Most of it built on the same engine or on the same codebase. The only real choices are business choices: what price tag for what content and how do you choose to cut things up and put it in a box.
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#29
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Imagine a good qaulity WWII game that plays out beginning to end..all theatre's of war...each part an expansion pack update with more generic group online goals...
That lasts for years...
#30
Vayra86
jmcslobImagine a good qaulity WWII game that plays out beginning to end..all theatre's of war...each part an expansion pack update with more generic group online goals...
That lasts for years...
... 7 years and in real time from 1938 - 1945
Immersion factor guaranteed ;)
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#31
Unregistered
Vayra86... 7 years and in real time from 1938 - 1945
Immersion factor guaranteed ;)
Exactly!
#32
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
Vayra86... 7 years and in real time from 1938 - 1945
Immersion factor guaranteed ;)
Idk...people weary of war. After 7 years the public and surviving soldiers everywhere were weary of war.

By the same measure, it would be wearisome for players to go on that long. I for one, play for enjoyment and relaxation, not so I can feel like my daily work does to me.
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#33
R-T-B
So Ubisoft discovered the term "sandbox" and decided to put their spin on it?
rtwjunkieIdk...people weary of war. After 7 years the public and surviving soldiers everywhere were weary of war.

By the same measure, it would be wearisome for players to go on that long. I for one, play for enjoyment and relaxation, not so I can feel like my daily work does to me.
Parts of war are boring as hell. You can even get relaxation in war as weird as that sounds.

Case in point: Silent Hunter series.
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#34
Fx
Vayra86In essence almost every game in history ever that had an expansion or even post release DLC can be considered the same concept, just in a more limited shape. There really is nothing new here, in the end its just a business decision to keep investing in the same project and keep expanding it, and that decision is based not on roadmaps but on sales numbers.
Exactly. I don't see this as a new concept either. What I see is a studio making a business decision to spend more time investing into their releases. For example, I am currently playing Total War: Warhammer 2. This game isn't even a whole new game compared to Warhammer; it is an expansion with balancing tweaks since Mortal Empires was released and even requires Warhammer 1. They are also going to make a "Warhammer 3" and I bet it also shouldn't be called 3 since it probably won't be any more different than DLCs added to the base game and what is in 2.

Another game that does this already is Crusader Kings 2. It has had so many DLCs that I've lost count yet I keep buying each DLC and firing the game up since it is dynamically changing storyline and mechanics just enough that it no longer feels like the base game.

When I read this article, I didn't think of WoW and don't believe that is a good comparison. MMOs already are infinite by design. It is rather taking single player titles and making them more like an MMO in that the game is an evolution instead of a story that abruptly ends or continues in an expansion.

This can work out well for them and us gamers as long as it isn't overdone. If it is only applied to certain titles, it could work out well assuming that they put good effort into each game.
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#35
Adam Krazispeed
FordGT90ConceptReading this, all I can hear is "Windows 10: product as a service." Ubisoft already did it with The Division. They took a complete game and then changed everything and added more stuff in subsequent updates. I think he fails to see two things:
1) the developer component: developers don't like beating a dead horse any more than the next guy. They want to explore different ideas because it is fun, rewarding, and challenging. There's going to be retention issues with product as a service model.
2) a lot of gamers won't keep investing time and money in a game they consider finished even if it is significantly updated; moreover, the more of these product as a service games there are, the less time/money they have to spend on other games. Ubisoft really needs to take into account player satisfaction when considering this model. There's also gamers that simply won't buy an incomplete game which means a long-term boycott of the product.
only thing i hated about the division was they changed it from the E3 2013/2014-E3 2015 demo's??? that really pissed me off!!!! i almost wanted my money back, but i grew to love and even enjoy " The Division" yeah i was still highly disappointed, but, i would rather the current game be " Fully UPGRADED " to the new Version of the "SnowDrop" Game engine and a new story added as a new Full game "ADDED" the the current Game "The Division" where we could still play up to 6 hours or Level up to Max Level of 6 like it is, then pay, or dont > if u want the new story? but the game engine used in "The Division" and "The Division 2" is still the same "Snowdrop" Game Engine, but supposedly much more capable now!!! "as so Ghraety says" what ever his mane is the creative director of the division/ but if the whloe first game can/COULD be upgraded with the new version of the game engine and the new content/story id be down// id love it to be that way// and eiter continue our current agent in the DC story or creat a who new one also would have been fu***ing SWEET!!! btu it not that way ? :(
oh well


The Division 1 better not get shut down, after Div 2 comes out cuz i may not want it on the release day.or few months after... div on had too many problems when i pre0ordered div 1 so i am not pre-ordering diviosion 2 no f"ing way this time ubisoft???
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