Monday, October 15th 2018

Alleged AMD RX 590 3D Mark Time Spy Scores Surface

Benchmark scores for 3D Mark's Time Spy have surface, and are purported to represent the performance level of an unidentified "Generic VGA" - which is being identified as AMD's new 12 nm Polaris revision. The RX 590 product name makes almost as much sense as it doesn't, though; for one, there's no real reason to release another entire RX 600 series, unless AMD is giving the 12 nm treatment to the entire lineup (which likely wouldn't happen, due to the investment in fabrication process redesign and node capacity required for such). As such, the RX 590 moniker makes sense if AMD is only looking to increase its competitiveness in the sub-$300 space as a stop-gap until they finally have a new graphics architecture up their shader sleeves.
Of course, the scores themselves are... Somewhat strange. The RX 590 in these scores, apparently running with a 1545 MHz clock (205 MHz higher than the RX 580's base boost clock) achieved a graphics score of 4,759 points. This is within spitting distance of known RX 580 scores (attributable to variance in benchmarking results, really), which could mostly reach these scores themselves - while overclocked over their boost clocks. The original poster, TUM_APISAK, has come out to say that the comparison scores in the pics are of two RX 590 graphics cards which are simply being misread by the benchmark suite.
The reported RX 590's call for fame is that its 1545 MHz clocks can be achieved at much lower power consumption figures than an overclocked RX 580 - and would likely be overcklockable on top of the base 1545 MHz, thus increasing the gap over the base clock % increase. Remember overlcocking gains aren't linear, though, and since it seems the RX 590 will still make use of GDDR5 memory (2000 MHz clocks; and again, remember the investment in repurposing the design for GDDR6), so you better push out your own manual memory overcklocking to improve on Polaris' most pressing limitation.
Source: Reddit
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36 Comments on Alleged AMD RX 590 3D Mark Time Spy Scores Surface

#26
Vayra86
lynx29useless performance increase... 500 points seriously? ugh... Nvidia knows its a monopoly for high resolution gamers, thats why they treat us like money trees
500 points and almost all of them attributable to CPU gain of 9.3%. Graphics is almost perfectly matched.

This is shady as hell, but no matter how you look at it, its sad anyway... If this is a 590, its the 480>580 all over again. Pointless product, margin of error performance improvements...
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#27
Assimilator
Vayra86500 points and almost all of them attributable to CPU gain of 9.3%. Graphics is almost perfectly matched.

This is shady as hell, but no matter how you look at it, its sad anyway... If this is a 590, its the 480>580 all over again. Pointless product, margin of error performance improvements...
AMD has to do something to prove to shareholders that they aren't doing nothing... even if they are really doing nothing.
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#29
techy1
"590" :confused: .... and then "570" will be "575"? another Polaris rebadge is coming, but I doubt that it will be called 59x, I would bet it would go even higher than 6xx, because it is actually a refresh (not like was the 5xx vs 4xx)
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#30
Space Lynx
Astronaut
AssimilatorAMD has to do something to prove to shareholders that they aren't doing nothing... even if they are really doing nothing.
its not that they aren't doing nothing, the 7nm factory has so many people vying for its time, that AMD just has to wait... luckily for us Apple sales have been slowing down a lot last couple of years, so now maybe other companies can get in that TSMC 7nm production line
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#31
Fluffmeister
A 2304 core 12nm part, I wonder how it will do against the 2070.
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#32
medi01
WikiFMSome 580s already OC to around 1545 Mhz like the MSI RX 580 Mech 2
How do benchmarks look for those though? Don't they scale well with clock?
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#33
Assimilator
FluffmeisterA 2304 core 12nm part, I wonder how it will do against the 2070.
Imma go with "poorly".
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#34
ShurikN
it's not even designed to compete with 2070. With those specs, I'm guessing somewhere between 1060 and 1070.
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#35
WikiFM
medi01How do benchmarks look for those though? Don't they scale well with clock?
According to TPU review, a 12% OC (memory too) gives around 10.6% more performance.
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#36
Casecutter
As Raevenlord said... "Remember overclocking gains aren't linear, though, and since it seems the RX 590 will still make use of GDDR5 memory (2000 MHz clocks; and again, remember the investment in repurposing the design for GDDR6), so you better push out your own manual memory overclocking to improve on Polaris' most pressing limitation."

Without an improvement in memory through-put/bandwidth, I don't see the Polaris 30 actually giving us much more in sheer performance. While I'm sure AMD has already developed and allocated funds to have a GDDR6 memory controller it's just how easy it is to bolt to the old Polaris.

While now I'd say we won't even see any Vega architecture implementation with GDDR6 for any discrete desktop GPU either. All this has me thinking it's all about Navi now. I almost consider if AMD has a Navi GDDR6 that ready for mainstream, and this is just some "pipe-cleaner" placeholder to buy some time?
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